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The Hero Unit obsession by blizzard?

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LimeNade
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2125 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-26 16:34:38
December 23 2011 23:32 GMT
#1
Hmm not sure if this is allowed but just did it. This thread serves no purpose anymore, and I'm tired of trolls taking my words out of context of the main point of what I was trying to get at.

Happy Holidays!
JD, need I say more? :D
Ninja_Bread
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States113 Posts
December 23 2011 23:34 GMT
#2
What a flawed vote system "especially when only one race has access to it"

Why can't people who make polls just have 'yes' 'no' and then let people write why in their descriptions....
Mang
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
December 23 2011 23:36 GMT
#3
I think they can work out if utilized properly... but it is kind of silly to make one unit be the crux of an army. If it is too good you habve to get it every game, if it isn't that good why spend all the time teching to it?

And seriously dude, %$#@ Archon Toilets in the eye.

-.-
ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
December 23 2011 23:36 GMT
#4
It seems like you just want to vent because you lost to a Mothership...
tx.zyclon
Profile Joined August 2010
United States145 Posts
December 23 2011 23:36 GMT
#5
I agree with this. Either have a hero unit for all races or none at all (preferably the latter.) -- Hero units aren't necessarily stupid, but they don't belong in sc2.
legaton
Profile Joined December 2010
France1763 Posts
December 23 2011 23:36 GMT
#6
The mothership is an almost useless unit, it is used on late game PvZ on 10% of the games, and usually for no effect as the zerg player probably made corruptors against colossus
No GG, No Skill - Jaedong <3
hitpoint
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1511 Posts
December 23 2011 23:40 GMT
#7
Hero units have no place in starcraft, clearly. I've finally gotten used to the mothership, but it's getting ridiculous with the new Thor.
It's spelled LOSE not LOOSE.
Asymmetric
Profile Joined June 2011
Scotland1309 Posts
December 23 2011 23:41 GMT
#8
It's just a game mechanic like any other, no different from terran having mules, zerg having creep spread or Protoss having warp in. Whether it is balanced or not entirely comes down to cost/abilities/time/opportunity/etc. There is nothing inherently making hero units either good or bad in an RTS.

They are also not some new phenomena to the RTS genre. Despite not being in broodwar they've been in RTS's since the dawn of time, hell even CnC 1 had the commando.

NoobSkills
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1598 Posts
December 23 2011 23:42 GMT
#9
I claimed it was a "hero" day one. People said this isn't warcraft -_-

Either way if you think THIS is the reason they fail as a company now you're mistaken. It is THIS and everything else they do that fucking blows. They've sold out like many other companies. Too bad. Buy 3 games then finally receive the whole SC2 game. Balance for the moronic bronze leaguers who complain all day. Create the worst maps put those into the ladder which causes map pools for the tournaments to be shit as well except maybe the GSL. Now, they're making D3 and I bet once we reach the end game that will be shit as well.
Herfelt
Profile Joined June 2011
Denmark89 Posts
December 23 2011 23:42 GMT
#10
I think blizzard made a pretty good job with the mothership. It has its uses, but it is not so powerful that it is a part of any build. I also think that a hero unit needs to be something which brings more than just raw power to the army composition. Every race already got the beefy-high-damage units, but a spellcaster can change the outcome of battles without actually adding any firepower to the army (or very little).
Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-23 23:43:07
December 23 2011 23:42 GMT
#11
I don't like the poll, it should be some option that says just "No, not even if all races had hero units." That is my thoughts.
Flying, sOs, free, Light, Soulkey & ZerO
Kamikiri
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1319 Posts
December 23 2011 23:43 GMT
#12
On December 24 2011 08:36 legaton wrote:
The mothership is an almost useless unit, it is used on late game PvZ on 10% of the games, and usually for no effect as the zerg player probably made corruptors against colossus


Mothership is insanely good against zerg when it gets to the late game and you are both maxed. Please don't try to say it sucks vs zerg.

That being said, I don't know if Mothership is broken or not,(overpowered) my personal opinion is that it is just fine the way it is in the game. Although I do not think it is fair that the other 2 races don't have a hero unit. Blizzard did say though, hero units are not meant to be used in high level play, just for new players to screw around with so idk. Mothership is a little to strong to be a just "screwing around" unit, atleast thats how i feel when my broodlords get vortex and killed by storm/archons.
LimeNade
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2125 Posts
December 23 2011 23:43 GMT
#13
On December 24 2011 08:36 ZAiNs wrote:
It seems like you just want to vent because you lost to a Mothership...


no dude its not htat ive lost ot mothership 10000000000000000x of times ive played so many games on sc2 u prob have no idea. BUT the idea that blizzard is like okay lets take out mothership in HOTS BUTTTTT lets add another hero unit in HOTS yippy! seriously?
JD, need I say more? :D
Shebuha
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada1335 Posts
December 23 2011 23:43 GMT
#14
I hate that one race has a hero unit while others don't, and I hate hero units altogether which is why I play SC and not WC.
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-23 23:45:21
December 23 2011 23:44 GMT
#15
On December 24 2011 08:36 legaton wrote:
The mothership is an almost useless unit, it is used on late game PvZ on 10% of the games, and usually for no effect as the zerg player probably made corruptors against colossus


As a zerg player I disagree. Nothing like seeing ten archons and a mother ship wipeout 200/200 worth of Broods/Corruptors/Lings/Infestors/Ultras in five seconds.

And suddenly, the seven base zerg loses to the two base Toss with zero mining protoss who is down 80 supply with half of that supply being Probes.

-.-

Yes I'm bitter.
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
December 23 2011 23:45 GMT
#16
I like the mothership. The new Thor looks terrible though, and yes, the premise of the whole thing is fairly stupid. But Vortex is sooooo awesome.
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
December 23 2011 23:45 GMT
#17
Because Dustin like the idea.
He come from C&C, remember ?
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
xrapture
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1644 Posts
December 23 2011 23:46 GMT
#18
What a horribly written thread; you write like a 5 year old: "I present to you the soon to be next mega broken unit that doesn't belong in an RTS the HERO THOR!!!!"

You offered no points as to why hero units don't belong in the game and your entire post is just a stream of consciousness. There's discussion to be had on hero units but you presented it in a very amateurish way. Can you imagine if you wrote an essay like this and handed it to your professor. He'd be insulted, just like the readers in this thread.
Everyone is either delusional, a nihlilst, or dead from suicide.
LimeNade
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2125 Posts
December 23 2011 23:47 GMT
#19
On December 24 2011 08:36 legaton wrote:
The mothership is an almost useless unit, it is used on late game PvZ on 10% of the games, and usually for no effect as the zerg player probably made corruptors against colossus


i posted 2 REPLAYS so u can WATCH them and see how u r horribly wrong
JD, need I say more? :D
zhurai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States5660 Posts
December 23 2011 23:47 GMT
#20
On December 24 2011 08:45 Noocta wrote:
Because Dustin like the idea.
He come from C&C, remember ?

if that's the case all the races should have some hero unit, not just one race.
Twitter: @zhurai | Site: http://zhurai.com
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