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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
December 16 2011 01:45 GMT
#661
On December 16 2011 10:27 Piledriver wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2011 10:24 PraetorianX wrote:
The only hero in this story is Naniwa.



Lol, really? The root cause of all the problems somehow becomes the hero.

All true hero's suffer persecution. ;P
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MVega
Profile Joined November 2010
763 Posts
December 16 2011 01:46 GMT
#662
So GOM screwed up, that's unfortunate and hopefully they apologize for any confusion and whatnot. Not sure why anyone thinks that has anything at all to do with Naniwa's unprofessional actions or thinks it's comparable. Naniwa clearly has no respect for his opponents, fans, or the event organizers. GOM just has communication issues which isn't terribly surprising considering this is an issue of breakdown in communications between an Korean company and an American (?) company.
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PraetorianX
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden780 Posts
December 16 2011 01:47 GMT
#663
On December 16 2011 10:40 wklbishop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2011 10:34 PraetorianX wrote:
On December 16 2011 10:07 SnoLys wrote:
On December 16 2011 09:39 Fungal Growth wrote:
Here's the thing...I don't think GOM is worried too much about losing subscribers...more so about sponsors. Guess who on of MLG's biggest sponsor is? Ericsson. Guess where Ericsson is based out of? Sweden. Do you think a a large corporation like Ericsson would want to support GOM after it has enraged so many Swedish fans? (who by my unscientific estimate are some of the most vocal about Gom's time traveling rules) If these big corporations get word that their favorite demographic is upset with their advertising platform they could very well pull the plug.


Guess the main sponsor of GSL, Sony Ericsson!

[image loading]


Yes, I have already E-mailed Sony Ericsson expressing my outrage as a customer that they sponsor GSL after this disrespectful scandal and I know more people are doing the same.

In this video you can see how badly the Koreans treat Naniwa. At 3:00, John the Translator gets pretty confrontive and during the rest of the clip the Koreans can be seen laughing behind Naniwa's back and insulting him in Korean. The actual questions are very poorly formulated and John the translator is talking very queitly. Also John doesn't even bother to translate 90% of the Korean stuff being said, so the foreigners have no idea what's going on. Clearly this is what provoked this whole episode


Do you actually speak Korean?

EDIT: This isn't meant to be a retort, I'm seriously asking.


I know some Korean... but just watch the video and you can clearly see there is a very hostile atmosphere. The Korean players are not even being interviewed at all, it's just like they are invited to watch while Naniwa is being put on the spot. It's almost as if the whole interview is designed to piss Naniwa off before the games.
The best argument against democracy is a 5-minute conversation with the average voter - Winston Churchill
m0ck
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
4194 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-16 01:49:33
December 16 2011 01:48 GMT
#664
On December 16 2011 10:32 SomeRandomPerson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2011 10:22 m0ck wrote:
On December 16 2011 10:07 SnoLys wrote:
On December 16 2011 09:39 Fungal Growth wrote:
Here's the thing...I don't think GOM is worried too much about losing subscribers...more so about sponsors. Guess who on of MLG's biggest sponsor is? Ericsson. Guess where Ericsson is based out of? Sweden. Do you think a a large corporation like Ericsson would want to support GOM after it has enraged so many Swedish fans? (who by my unscientific estimate are some of the most vocal about Gom's time traveling rules) If these big corporations get word that their favorite demographic is upset with their advertising platform they could very well pull the plug.


Guess the main sponsor of GSL, Sony Ericsson!

[image loading]

Nicely done! Yet another twist on the story.


As a first post on TL.

I doubt that Sony Ericsson will have any kind of impact on this story for the simple reason that they will be fully owned by the Sony Corporation from the first of Januray 2012. Now they might distance themselves from Gom (Though I highly doubt it, especially w.r.t. this mess), but the only reason from a Sweden-centric p.o.v. to do so is that they are a popular brand in Sweden and there is a backlash - if there even would be a backlash, that is. Officially they will not be "Swedish" at all from said date. Well that's not entirely true since they have a large part of their product development in Sweden, Lund.

Also to make an important distinction: The sponsors are Sony Ericsson, not Ericsson. While Ericsson owns (owned*) half of them.

Yeah, I'm not really thinking of the swedish focus, but more as an insight into the motivations and drives behind the two organizations. At the moment, GOM and MLGs statements simply don't match up. MLG states that Naniwa was given an invite on the back of his Providence participation, but that directly contradicts GOMs statement, which made clear that the prize from Providence was a spot in Blizzard Cup and nothing else. Providence had no special status in deciding who got the invite to Code S. GOM apparently neglected to tell this to anyone else involved. MLG apparently has no problem with this, and seem unconcerned that what they promised and stated on their homepage for the last month has turned out to be false.

We're simply left with a big question-mark, and personally, distrust of both organizations.
SebaZ
Profile Joined April 2010
Italy223 Posts
December 16 2011 01:48 GMT
#665
On December 16 2011 05:19 schI2ler wrote:
Well this is really unprofessional. I am amazed how calm and grown up the MLG team is. I can imagine some people would rage at their "business-partners" for doing this, screaming and threatening. But MLG keeps calm, this is not sarcasm, I think this is a professional move by MLG, and I am positively surprised.

They probably wouldn't have anything to gain from screaming and threatening. Their partnership with GOM is most likely still important to them.
jinorazi
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)4948 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-16 01:49:22
December 16 2011 01:49 GMT
#666
On December 16 2011 10:47 PraetorianX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2011 10:40 wklbishop wrote:
On December 16 2011 10:34 PraetorianX wrote:
On December 16 2011 10:07 SnoLys wrote:
On December 16 2011 09:39 Fungal Growth wrote:
Here's the thing...I don't think GOM is worried too much about losing subscribers...more so about sponsors. Guess who on of MLG's biggest sponsor is? Ericsson. Guess where Ericsson is based out of? Sweden. Do you think a a large corporation like Ericsson would want to support GOM after it has enraged so many Swedish fans? (who by my unscientific estimate are some of the most vocal about Gom's time traveling rules) If these big corporations get word that their favorite demographic is upset with their advertising platform they could very well pull the plug.


Guess the main sponsor of GSL, Sony Ericsson!

[image loading]


Yes, I have already E-mailed Sony Ericsson expressing my outrage as a customer that they sponsor GSL after this disrespectful scandal and I know more people are doing the same.

In this video you can see how badly the Koreans treat Naniwa. At 3:00, John the Translator gets pretty confrontive and during the rest of the clip the Koreans can be seen laughing behind Naniwa's back and insulting him in Korean. The actual questions are very poorly formulated and John the translator is talking very queitly. Also John doesn't even bother to translate 90% of the Korean stuff being said, so the foreigners have no idea what's going on. Clearly this is what provoked this whole episode


Do you actually speak Korean?

EDIT: This isn't meant to be a retort, I'm seriously asking.


I know some Korean... but just watch the video and you can clearly see there is a very hostile atmosphere. The Korean players are not even being interviewed at all, it's just like they are invited to watch while Naniwa is being put on the spot. It's almost as if the whole interview is designed to piss Naniwa off before the games.


people were pissed off by naniwa's action, isnt that what spawned all of this?
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GreyKnight
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4720 Posts
December 16 2011 01:49 GMT
#667
On December 16 2011 10:34 PraetorianX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2011 10:07 SnoLys wrote:
On December 16 2011 09:39 Fungal Growth wrote:
Here's the thing...I don't think GOM is worried too much about losing subscribers...more so about sponsors. Guess who on of MLG's biggest sponsor is? Ericsson. Guess where Ericsson is based out of? Sweden. Do you think a a large corporation like Ericsson would want to support GOM after it has enraged so many Swedish fans? (who by my unscientific estimate are some of the most vocal about Gom's time traveling rules) If these big corporations get word that their favorite demographic is upset with their advertising platform they could very well pull the plug.


Guess the main sponsor of GSL, Sony Ericsson!

[image loading]


Yes, I have already E-mailed Sony Ericsson expressing my outrage as a customer that they sponsor GSL after this disrespectful scandal and I know more people are doing the same.

In this video you can see how badly the Koreans treat Naniwa. At 3:00, John the Translator gets pretty confrontive and during the rest of the clip the Koreans can be seen laughing behind Naniwa's back. The korean players seem to get very abusive and angry when Naniwa says this is just another tournament. The actual questions are very poorly formulated and John the translator is talking very queitly. Also John doesn't even bother to translate 90% of the Korean stuff being said, so the foreigners have no idea what's going on. Clearly this is what provoked this whole episode.



You're funny.
LION`
Profile Joined November 2011
Sweden19 Posts
December 16 2011 01:50 GMT
#668
On December 16 2011 10:34 PraetorianX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2011 10:07 SnoLys wrote:
On December 16 2011 09:39 Fungal Growth wrote:
Here's the thing...I don't think GOM is worried too much about losing subscribers...more so about sponsors. Guess who on of MLG's biggest sponsor is? Ericsson. Guess where Ericsson is based out of? Sweden. Do you think a a large corporation like Ericsson would want to support GOM after it has enraged so many Swedish fans? (who by my unscientific estimate are some of the most vocal about Gom's time traveling rules) If these big corporations get word that their favorite demographic is upset with their advertising platform they could very well pull the plug.


Guess the main sponsor of GSL, Sony Ericsson!

[image loading]


Yes, I have already E-mailed Sony Ericsson expressing my outrage as a customer that they sponsor GSL after this disrespectful scandal and I know more people are doing the same.



I just did the same and I can also say that I know alot of other people that have. One thing is clear, the Swedish fans are really upset but over everything else really dissapoint on how GOMtv is taking care of this.

So much for the pro-ism GOM was bashing Naniwa for. Backfire for the lose?
trust your instincts!
JoeSchmoe
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2058 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-16 01:55:51
December 16 2011 01:50 GMT
#669
+ Show Spoiler +
On December 16 2011 10:34 PraetorianX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2011 10:07 SnoLys wrote:
On December 16 2011 09:39 Fungal Growth wrote:
Here's the thing...I don't think GOM is worried too much about losing subscribers...more so about sponsors. Guess who on of MLG's biggest sponsor is? Ericsson. Guess where Ericsson is based out of? Sweden. Do you think a a large corporation like Ericsson would want to support GOM after it has enraged so many Swedish fans? (who by my unscientific estimate are some of the most vocal about Gom's time traveling rules) If these big corporations get word that their favorite demographic is upset with their advertising platform they could very well pull the plug.


Guess the main sponsor of GSL, Sony Ericsson!

[image loading]


Yes, I have already E-mailed Sony Ericsson expressing my outrage as a customer that they sponsor GSL after this disrespectful scandal and I know more people are doing the same.

In this video you can see how badly the Koreans treat Naniwa. At 3:00, John the Translator gets pretty confrontive and during the rest of the clip the Koreans can be seen laughing behind Naniwa's back. The korean players seem to get very abusive and angry when Naniwa says this is just another tournament. The actual questions are very poorly formulated and John the translator is talking very queitly. Also John doesn't even bother to translate 90% of the Korean stuff being said, so the foreigners have no idea what's going on. Clearly this is what provoked this whole episode.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oo4J0tk1Tdw


this is the biggest joke i've seen. and i'm not talking about the video.

this is what the guy who took the video had to say:

It did and it was all in Korean, we were the only English media there, we were lucky to be invited


haha, we spoke to John, he didn't even know he was translating that day :D That guy works so hard, always a lot of love for John


just stfu seriously.
Govou
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1072 Posts
December 16 2011 01:51 GMT
#670
On December 16 2011 10:47 PraetorianX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2011 10:40 wklbishop wrote:
On December 16 2011 10:34 PraetorianX wrote:
On December 16 2011 10:07 SnoLys wrote:
On December 16 2011 09:39 Fungal Growth wrote:
Here's the thing...I don't think GOM is worried too much about losing subscribers...more so about sponsors. Guess who on of MLG's biggest sponsor is? Ericsson. Guess where Ericsson is based out of? Sweden. Do you think a a large corporation like Ericsson would want to support GOM after it has enraged so many Swedish fans? (who by my unscientific estimate are some of the most vocal about Gom's time traveling rules) If these big corporations get word that their favorite demographic is upset with their advertising platform they could very well pull the plug.


Guess the main sponsor of GSL, Sony Ericsson!

[image loading]


Yes, I have already E-mailed Sony Ericsson expressing my outrage as a customer that they sponsor GSL after this disrespectful scandal and I know more people are doing the same.

In this video you can see how badly the Koreans treat Naniwa. At 3:00, John the Translator gets pretty confrontive and during the rest of the clip the Koreans can be seen laughing behind Naniwa's back and insulting him in Korean. The actual questions are very poorly formulated and John the translator is talking very queitly. Also John doesn't even bother to translate 90% of the Korean stuff being said, so the foreigners have no idea what's going on. Clearly this is what provoked this whole episode


Do you actually speak Korean?

EDIT: This isn't meant to be a retort, I'm seriously asking.


I know some Korean... but just watch the video and you can clearly see there is a very hostile atmosphere. The Korean players are not even being interviewed at all, it's just like they are invited to watch while Naniwa is being put on the spot. It's almost as if the whole interview is designed to piss Naniwa off before the games.


korean players were interviewed separately from foreigners because of english issue.

I also do not see any confrontation of any sorts what so ever. Your claim is just so ridiculous that makes me question your sanity. I think it's time you put your tin foil hat on.
rotegirte
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany2859 Posts
December 16 2011 01:53 GMT
#671
On December 16 2011 10:39 jinorazi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2011 10:12 rotegirte wrote:
On December 16 2011 09:57 Ercster wrote:
Unfortunately, the change was made without notification to MLG, but it is within GSL's jurisdiction to adjust placement.



Since some people don't understand what this means, due to the blatant ignorance in some of the posts, I will explain it to you. This is saying the while MLG didn't know that GOM was going to give Naniwa a spot in the Blizzard Cup instead of code S because of the 2012 format change, it was GOM's choice to do so. The contract didn't state that this was going to happen, but it allowed GOM to change it if they wanted to.
I hope this cleared a lot of things up, and I hope people will stop posting without actually knowing what the OP said or meant.


And what people like you don't understand is that tournaments are not only a matter between organizing parties, being MLG and GOM. There is a third party called players.

GOM is well within their rights to choose whoever they want for Code S, and how the process goes. MLG and GOM are well within their right to negotiate whatever agreement, allowing any side any degree of freedom they seem fit for their business relationship. However, when you are changing tournament prizes, you do that before the event, not after.

I always thought that to be a simple rule.


lets say naniwa was indeed selected (probably was 1st choice anyways) but after the fiasco, it was revoked.

what gom did still makes no difference. if naniwa situation didn't happen, he would be playing in jan. gsl most likely.
gom changing it would have made no impact on their jan. gsl invitation.

it seems like people are nitpicking on gom's change in rules with the new format change. perhaps they should have worded it better, as in "naniwa's invation was revoked" instead of "naniwa's actions removed him from consideration list".

whatever the case, naniwa made this change happen. and for god sakes, his invitation was revoked, he can still play like any other competitor without an invitation.


I can only reinstate that I fully agree with the outcome of NaNiwa being punished. I also agree that taking away his Code S seed was the appropriate degree of punishment to secure the integrity of GSL. I don't criticize the change of format in itself, as it is a good change.

But how on earth can you support a decision to change a tournament prize after the event? I really don't know what much else to say than that. What would you say if it was money instead of a seed?

"Look, Leenock, in reality you only get 5.000, we cool?"

Look through my recent posts. Both matters are completely unrelated. I fully believe GOM's statement that the format change was regardless of the incident. There is proof on that. However, there is absolutely no valid reason to change the terms of a tournament after it is held. No matter what.

GOM could have said: "We understand NaNiwa was to recieve a Code S seed upon his placement during MLG providence. However, given the [recent incident explaination] we don't see him fit to participate [blablabla]"

That is what you do. And not go back in time and change rules of tournaments that already happened
lOvRyooMak
Profile Joined November 2011
Australia5 Posts
December 16 2011 01:53 GMT
#672
Hi im a korean living in korea..
I regularly visit korean sites playxp and thisisgame for sc2

There seems to be a lot of misscommunication and confusion overseas

I dont see what the fuss is about regarding the format change
To be exact the new 2012 gsl format was announced at night dec10th korean time, the night before the start of the blizzard
Cup.
So what if the format was changed before or after the blizzard cup?
The gsl format was always changed every one or two seasons for improvement
I remember seeing reactions by people here on TL - i like the new GSL
Format! But i dont like the new GSTL format.. Etc

Regarding the code S seeding change...
As the MLG also clearly stated it is in all gomtv's right to change seeding however they please.
Why can't you see that the seeding change was meant to give international players more opportunity in the GSL?
The previous seeding would give the seed to the top placed players in the mlg regardless if it were a korean or not.

Instead they decided to nominate top international players as candidates for the two seed spots, and the judges would select two probably based on various criteria. i.e personal reasons- not every player may wish to come play in korea.
In this case as mentioned in gomtv's latest post sen.idra and naniwa were selected as candidates. But due to naniwa's conduct in the blizzard cup they decided to give it to sen and idra. The nominees and criteria were not announced prior to the decision because the criteria was probably not decided yet! Naniwa's misbehaviour made the decision easier for gom IMO. You have to understand that the gsl is still experimental. Gomtv knows there is room for improvement here and there and is constantly trying to change and develop their league.
Making announcements before the system were solidified and decisions were made would make an even bigger confusion and possible shitstorm if it were changed everday.

Yes it would be nice if gomtv could just post here on TL and explain ever little thing that is going on what they are discussing and wanting to change. But as you might have noticed the people at gomtv are not that good at english and there can only be misinterpretations here and there. I have been to the gomtv studio many times and what you must understand is that it is quite smaller than you may think. In fact its tiny compared to competitions like mlg or dreamhack. The whole gomtv staff only number about 20people. There are only limitations to what these 20people can do at omce. They cant be everywhere answering all questions here and there and making decisions at once.

What i would really like to say is there is always a perfectly good explanation to everything.. Otherwise the korean community would have a bigger shitstorm. The last thing koreans want is something like kespa. instead of making blunt observations on misscommunication and Misinterpretations perhaps wait for a proper announcement by gom or maybe help on a better translation on korean articles before making a shitstorm out of nothing
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
December 16 2011 01:54 GMT
#673
I have one question.

If GOMTV said that Naniwa never got a Code S invite in the first place...

Why again did they release a statement saying they revoked it??

I dunno if this is a bad question.
twitch.tv/medrea
PraetorianX
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden780 Posts
December 16 2011 01:57 GMT
#674
On December 16 2011 10:51 Govou wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2011 10:47 PraetorianX wrote:
On December 16 2011 10:40 wklbishop wrote:
On December 16 2011 10:34 PraetorianX wrote:
On December 16 2011 10:07 SnoLys wrote:
On December 16 2011 09:39 Fungal Growth wrote:
Here's the thing...I don't think GOM is worried too much about losing subscribers...more so about sponsors. Guess who on of MLG's biggest sponsor is? Ericsson. Guess where Ericsson is based out of? Sweden. Do you think a a large corporation like Ericsson would want to support GOM after it has enraged so many Swedish fans? (who by my unscientific estimate are some of the most vocal about Gom's time traveling rules) If these big corporations get word that their favorite demographic is upset with their advertising platform they could very well pull the plug.


Guess the main sponsor of GSL, Sony Ericsson!

[image loading]


Yes, I have already E-mailed Sony Ericsson expressing my outrage as a customer that they sponsor GSL after this disrespectful scandal and I know more people are doing the same.

In this video you can see how badly the Koreans treat Naniwa. At 3:00, John the Translator gets pretty confrontive and during the rest of the clip the Koreans can be seen laughing behind Naniwa's back and insulting him in Korean. The actual questions are very poorly formulated and John the translator is talking very queitly. Also John doesn't even bother to translate 90% of the Korean stuff being said, so the foreigners have no idea what's going on. Clearly this is what provoked this whole episode


Do you actually speak Korean?

EDIT: This isn't meant to be a retort, I'm seriously asking.


I know some Korean... but just watch the video and you can clearly see there is a very hostile atmosphere. The Korean players are not even being interviewed at all, it's just like they are invited to watch while Naniwa is being put on the spot. It's almost as if the whole interview is designed to piss Naniwa off before the games.


korean players were interviewed separately from foreigners because of english issue.

I also do not see any confrontation of any sorts what so ever. Your claim is just so ridiculous that makes me question your sanity. I think it's time you put your tin foil hat on.


Did you even watch the video from 2.30 or 3 minutes onward? Don't you feel the hostility and the tension in the air? When the best Korean players come to Euro-American tournaments they are treated like celebrities and they is like a big audience applauding everything they do and cheering their names, and when the best Western players come to Korea (like Naniwa) they seem to be treated very poorly in comparison. Just watch the clip and you'll see what I mean.
The best argument against democracy is a 5-minute conversation with the average voter - Winston Churchill
Govou
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1072 Posts
December 16 2011 01:57 GMT
#675
On December 16 2011 10:54 Medrea wrote:
I have one question.

If GOMTV said that Naniwa never got a Code S invite in the first place...

Why again did they release a statement saying they revoked it??

I dunno if this is a bad question.


They were considering him as the first choice for the invite.
flagg
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden123 Posts
December 16 2011 01:58 GMT
#676
On December 16 2011 10:35 Dazer wrote:
Only thing I'd like to add is how awesome Sundance is.

Willing to compromise the partnership between MLG and GOM for truth and transparency.

Yo Sunny, you're the baws


I can't say that I think MLG has no fault here. You can't announce a prize of a code S spot if you don't have a valid contract with GomTV giving you this right. What GomTV have or haven't done doesn't really mather in this regard because MLG says GomTV had no legal obligation to offer the code S spot.
wklbishop
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1286 Posts
December 16 2011 01:58 GMT
#677
On December 16 2011 10:47 PraetorianX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2011 10:40 wklbishop wrote:
On December 16 2011 10:34 PraetorianX wrote:
On December 16 2011 10:07 SnoLys wrote:
On December 16 2011 09:39 Fungal Growth wrote:
Here's the thing...I don't think GOM is worried too much about losing subscribers...more so about sponsors. Guess who on of MLG's biggest sponsor is? Ericsson. Guess where Ericsson is based out of? Sweden. Do you think a a large corporation like Ericsson would want to support GOM after it has enraged so many Swedish fans? (who by my unscientific estimate are some of the most vocal about Gom's time traveling rules) If these big corporations get word that their favorite demographic is upset with their advertising platform they could very well pull the plug.


Guess the main sponsor of GSL, Sony Ericsson!

[image loading]


Yes, I have already E-mailed Sony Ericsson expressing my outrage as a customer that they sponsor GSL after this disrespectful scandal and I know more people are doing the same.

In this video you can see how badly the Koreans treat Naniwa. At 3:00, John the Translator gets pretty confrontive and during the rest of the clip the Koreans can be seen laughing behind Naniwa's back and insulting him in Korean. The actual questions are very poorly formulated and John the translator is talking very queitly. Also John doesn't even bother to translate 90% of the Korean stuff being said, so the foreigners have no idea what's going on. Clearly this is what provoked this whole episode


Do you actually speak Korean?

EDIT: This isn't meant to be a retort, I'm seriously asking.


I know some Korean... but just watch the video and you can clearly see there is a very hostile atmosphere. The Korean players are not even being interviewed at all, it's just like they are invited to watch while Naniwa is being put on the spot. It's almost as if the whole interview is designed to piss Naniwa off before the games.


There is such a thing as confirmation bias and what you said about the purpose of the interview is really stretching it.

At any rate, do you know what dann bei joo se yo means? I purposely left out the hangul to prevent google translation and because this is something oral rather than
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GreyKnight
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4720 Posts
December 16 2011 01:58 GMT
#678
On December 16 2011 10:57 PraetorianX wrote:
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On December 16 2011 10:51 Govou wrote:
On December 16 2011 10:47 PraetorianX wrote:
On December 16 2011 10:40 wklbishop wrote:
On December 16 2011 10:34 PraetorianX wrote:
On December 16 2011 10:07 SnoLys wrote:
On December 16 2011 09:39 Fungal Growth wrote:
Here's the thing...I don't think GOM is worried too much about losing subscribers...more so about sponsors. Guess who on of MLG's biggest sponsor is? Ericsson. Guess where Ericsson is based out of? Sweden. Do you think a a large corporation like Ericsson would want to support GOM after it has enraged so many Swedish fans? (who by my unscientific estimate are some of the most vocal about Gom's time traveling rules) If these big corporations get word that their favorite demographic is upset with their advertising platform they could very well pull the plug.


Guess the main sponsor of GSL, Sony Ericsson!

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Yes, I have already E-mailed Sony Ericsson expressing my outrage as a customer that they sponsor GSL after this disrespectful scandal and I know more people are doing the same.

In this video you can see how badly the Koreans treat Naniwa. At 3:00, John the Translator gets pretty confrontive and during the rest of the clip the Koreans can be seen laughing behind Naniwa's back and insulting him in Korean. The actual questions are very poorly formulated and John the translator is talking very queitly. Also John doesn't even bother to translate 90% of the Korean stuff being said, so the foreigners have no idea what's going on. Clearly this is what provoked this whole episode


Do you actually speak Korean?

EDIT: This isn't meant to be a retort, I'm seriously asking.


I know some Korean... but just watch the video and you can clearly see there is a very hostile atmosphere. The Korean players are not even being interviewed at all, it's just like they are invited to watch while Naniwa is being put on the spot. It's almost as if the whole interview is designed to piss Naniwa off before the games.


korean players were interviewed separately from foreigners because of english issue.

I also do not see any confrontation of any sorts what so ever. Your claim is just so ridiculous that makes me question your sanity. I think it's time you put your tin foil hat on.


Did you even watch the video from 2.30 or 3 minutes onward? Don't you feel the hostility and the tension in the air? When the best Korean players come to Euro-American tournaments they are treated like celebrities and they is like a big audience applauding everything they do and cheering their names, and when the best Western players come to Korea (like Naniwa) they seem to be treated very poorly in comparison. Just watch the clip and you'll see what I mean.


You're so delusional it's hilarious. They're not being treated poorly at all.
jinorazi
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)4948 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-16 02:02:43
December 16 2011 01:58 GMT
#679
On December 16 2011 10:54 Medrea wrote:
I have one question.

If GOMTV said that Naniwa never got a Code S invite in the first place...

Why again did they release a statement saying they revoked it??

I dunno if this is a bad question.


naniwa was being considered for invitation, not yet invited contrary to what mlg and everyone else thought.
after his actions, he was off the consideration list.
HOWEVER, he probably would have been invited if it wasnt for his actions and regardless any change in prize (code s seed), he would have made it to code s.

i think now, people are arguing "naniwa's invitation was revoked" vs "naniwa is taken off the consideration list."
since mlg/gom promised a seed spot, but 100% seed was not the case according to gom's recent post.
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jellyjello
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)664 Posts
December 16 2011 02:00 GMT
#680
On December 16 2011 05:20 DrGreen wrote:
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On December 16 2011 05:17 Akash1223 wrote:
I really don't see the problem. MLG's statement says "it is within GSL's jurisdiction to adjust placement," thus GOMs agreement with MLG was subject to change by GOM if they decided they wanted to change their format. They had the right to change the Providence seeds to blizzard cup instead of code S, and they chose to do so. MLG, Naniwa, nor anyone else was entitled to notification.



Even if they had the right to do so (I'm not sure where did u find that line about adjusting spots) they should inform about the change to Naniwa immediately after they made it. Naniwa thought that he had code s spot until yesterday. Totally unprofessional from GOM side.


He probably would have gotten the Code S seed if he had played that goddamn game with anything other than probe rush or outright gg. People need to learn to man up and start taking responsibility. I'm sick of this blame game.
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