EPTOn December 16 2011 10:27 Piledriver wrote:
Lol, really? The root cause of all the problems somehow becomes the hero.
Lol, really? The root cause of all the problems somehow becomes the hero.
All true hero's suffer persecution. ;P
MLG statement on Providence Code S spot - Page 34
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
All true hero's suffer persecution. ;P | ||
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MVega
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PraetorianX
Sweden780 Posts
On December 16 2011 10:40 wklbishop wrote: Do you actually speak Korean? EDIT: This isn't meant to be a retort, I'm seriously asking. I know some Korean... but just watch the video and you can clearly see there is a very hostile atmosphere. The Korean players are not even being interviewed at all, it's just like they are invited to watch while Naniwa is being put on the spot. It's almost as if the whole interview is designed to piss Naniwa off before the games. | ||
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m0ck
4194 Posts
On December 16 2011 10:32 SomeRandomPerson wrote: As a first post on TL. I doubt that Sony Ericsson will have any kind of impact on this story for the simple reason that they will be fully owned by the Sony Corporation from the first of Januray 2012. Now they might distance themselves from Gom (Though I highly doubt it, especially w.r.t. this mess), but the only reason from a Sweden-centric p.o.v. to do so is that they are a popular brand in Sweden and there is a backlash - if there even would be a backlash, that is. Officially they will not be "Swedish" at all from said date. Well that's not entirely true since they have a large part of their product development in Sweden, Lund. Also to make an important distinction: The sponsors are Sony Ericsson, not Ericsson. While Ericsson owns (owned*) half of them. Yeah, I'm not really thinking of the swedish focus, but more as an insight into the motivations and drives behind the two organizations. At the moment, GOM and MLGs statements simply don't match up. MLG states that Naniwa was given an invite on the back of his Providence participation, but that directly contradicts GOMs statement, which made clear that the prize from Providence was a spot in Blizzard Cup and nothing else. Providence had no special status in deciding who got the invite to Code S. GOM apparently neglected to tell this to anyone else involved. MLG apparently has no problem with this, and seem unconcerned that what they promised and stated on their homepage for the last month has turned out to be false. We're simply left with a big question-mark, and personally, distrust of both organizations. | ||
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SebaZ
Italy223 Posts
On December 16 2011 05:19 schI2ler wrote: Well this is really unprofessional. I am amazed how calm and grown up the MLG team is. I can imagine some people would rage at their "business-partners" for doing this, screaming and threatening. But MLG keeps calm, this is not sarcasm, I think this is a professional move by MLG, and I am positively surprised. They probably wouldn't have anything to gain from screaming and threatening. Their partnership with GOM is most likely still important to them. | ||
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
On December 16 2011 10:47 PraetorianX wrote: I know some Korean... but just watch the video and you can clearly see there is a very hostile atmosphere. The Korean players are not even being interviewed at all, it's just like they are invited to watch while Naniwa is being put on the spot. It's almost as if the whole interview is designed to piss Naniwa off before the games. people were pissed off by naniwa's action, isnt that what spawned all of this? | ||
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GreyKnight
United States4720 Posts
On December 16 2011 10:34 PraetorianX wrote: Yes, I have already E-mailed Sony Ericsson expressing my outrage as a customer that they sponsor GSL after this disrespectful scandal and I know more people are doing the same. In this video you can see how badly the Koreans treat Naniwa. At 3:00, John the Translator gets pretty confrontive and during the rest of the clip the Koreans can be seen laughing behind Naniwa's back. The korean players seem to get very abusive and angry when Naniwa says this is just another tournament. The actual questions are very poorly formulated and John the translator is talking very queitly. Also John doesn't even bother to translate 90% of the Korean stuff being said, so the foreigners have no idea what's going on. Clearly this is what provoked this whole episode. You're funny. | ||
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LION`
Sweden19 Posts
On December 16 2011 10:34 PraetorianX wrote: Yes, I have already E-mailed Sony Ericsson expressing my outrage as a customer that they sponsor GSL after this disrespectful scandal and I know more people are doing the same. I just did the same and I can also say that I know alot of other people that have. One thing is clear, the Swedish fans are really upset but over everything else really dissapoint on how GOMtv is taking care of this. So much for the pro-ism GOM was bashing Naniwa for. Backfire for the lose? | ||
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JoeSchmoe
Canada2058 Posts
On December 16 2011 10:34 PraetorianX wrote: Yes, I have already E-mailed Sony Ericsson expressing my outrage as a customer that they sponsor GSL after this disrespectful scandal and I know more people are doing the same. In this video you can see how badly the Koreans treat Naniwa. At 3:00, John the Translator gets pretty confrontive and during the rest of the clip the Koreans can be seen laughing behind Naniwa's back. The korean players seem to get very abusive and angry when Naniwa says this is just another tournament. The actual questions are very poorly formulated and John the translator is talking very queitly. Also John doesn't even bother to translate 90% of the Korean stuff being said, so the foreigners have no idea what's going on. Clearly this is what provoked this whole episode. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oo4J0tk1Tdw this is the biggest joke i've seen. and i'm not talking about the video. this is what the guy who took the video had to say: It did and it was all in Korean, we were the only English media there, we were lucky to be invited  haha, we spoke to John, he didn't even know he was translating that day :D That guy works so hard, always a lot of love for John just stfu seriously. | ||
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Govou
Canada1072 Posts
On December 16 2011 10:47 PraetorianX wrote: I know some Korean... but just watch the video and you can clearly see there is a very hostile atmosphere. The Korean players are not even being interviewed at all, it's just like they are invited to watch while Naniwa is being put on the spot. It's almost as if the whole interview is designed to piss Naniwa off before the games. korean players were interviewed separately from foreigners because of english issue. I also do not see any confrontation of any sorts what so ever. Your claim is just so ridiculous that makes me question your sanity. I think it's time you put your tin foil hat on. | ||
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rotegirte
Germany2859 Posts
On December 16 2011 10:39 jinorazi wrote: lets say naniwa was indeed selected (probably was 1st choice anyways) but after the fiasco, it was revoked. what gom did still makes no difference. if naniwa situation didn't happen, he would be playing in jan. gsl most likely. gom changing it would have made no impact on their jan. gsl invitation. it seems like people are nitpicking on gom's change in rules with the new format change. perhaps they should have worded it better, as in "naniwa's invation was revoked" instead of "naniwa's actions removed him from consideration list". whatever the case, naniwa made this change happen. and for god sakes, his invitation was revoked, he can still play like any other competitor without an invitation. I can only reinstate that I fully agree with the outcome of NaNiwa being punished. I also agree that taking away his Code S seed was the appropriate degree of punishment to secure the integrity of GSL. I don't criticize the change of format in itself, as it is a good change. But how on earth can you support a decision to change a tournament prize after the event? I really don't know what much else to say than that. What would you say if it was money instead of a seed? "Look, Leenock, in reality you only get 5.000, we cool?" Look through my recent posts. Both matters are completely unrelated. I fully believe GOM's statement that the format change was regardless of the incident. There is proof on that. However, there is absolutely no valid reason to change the terms of a tournament after it is held. No matter what. GOM could have said: "We understand NaNiwa was to recieve a Code S seed upon his placement during MLG providence. However, given the [recent incident explaination] we don't see him fit to participate [blablabla]" That is what you do. And not go back in time and change rules of tournaments that already happened | ||
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lOvRyooMak
Australia5 Posts
I regularly visit korean sites playxp and thisisgame for sc2 There seems to be a lot of misscommunication and confusion overseas I dont see what the fuss is about regarding the format change To be exact the new 2012 gsl format was announced at night dec10th korean time, the night before the start of the blizzard Cup. So what if the format was changed before or after the blizzard cup? The gsl format was always changed every one or two seasons for improvement I remember seeing reactions by people here on TL - i like the new GSL Format! But i dont like the new GSTL format.. Etc Regarding the code S seeding change... As the MLG also clearly stated it is in all gomtv's right to change seeding however they please. Why can't you see that the seeding change was meant to give international players more opportunity in the GSL? The previous seeding would give the seed to the top placed players in the mlg regardless if it were a korean or not. Instead they decided to nominate top international players as candidates for the two seed spots, and the judges would select two probably based on various criteria. i.e personal reasons- not every player may wish to come play in korea. In this case as mentioned in gomtv's latest post sen.idra and naniwa were selected as candidates. But due to naniwa's conduct in the blizzard cup they decided to give it to sen and idra. The nominees and criteria were not announced prior to the decision because the criteria was probably not decided yet! Naniwa's misbehaviour made the decision easier for gom IMO. You have to understand that the gsl is still experimental. Gomtv knows there is room for improvement here and there and is constantly trying to change and develop their league. Making announcements before the system were solidified and decisions were made would make an even bigger confusion and possible shitstorm if it were changed everday. Yes it would be nice if gomtv could just post here on TL and explain ever little thing that is going on what they are discussing and wanting to change. But as you might have noticed the people at gomtv are not that good at english and there can only be misinterpretations here and there. I have been to the gomtv studio many times and what you must understand is that it is quite smaller than you may think. In fact its tiny compared to competitions like mlg or dreamhack. The whole gomtv staff only number about 20people. There are only limitations to what these 20people can do at omce. They cant be everywhere answering all questions here and there and making decisions at once. What i would really like to say is there is always a perfectly good explanation to everything.. Otherwise the korean community would have a bigger shitstorm. The last thing koreans want is something like kespa. instead of making blunt observations on misscommunication and Misinterpretations perhaps wait for a proper announcement by gom or maybe help on a better translation on korean articles before making a shitstorm out of nothing  | ||
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Medrea
10003 Posts
If GOMTV said that Naniwa never got a Code S invite in the first place... Why again did they release a statement saying they revoked it?? I dunno if this is a bad question. | ||
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PraetorianX
Sweden780 Posts
On December 16 2011 10:51 Govou wrote: korean players were interviewed separately from foreigners because of english issue. I also do not see any confrontation of any sorts what so ever. Your claim is just so ridiculous that makes me question your sanity. I think it's time you put your tin foil hat on. Did you even watch the video from 2.30 or 3 minutes onward? Don't you feel the hostility and the tension in the air? When the best Korean players come to Euro-American tournaments they are treated like celebrities and they is like a big audience applauding everything they do and cheering their names, and when the best Western players come to Korea (like Naniwa) they seem to be treated very poorly in comparison. Just watch the clip and you'll see what I mean. | ||
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Govou
Canada1072 Posts
On December 16 2011 10:54 Medrea wrote: I have one question. If GOMTV said that Naniwa never got a Code S invite in the first place... Why again did they release a statement saying they revoked it?? I dunno if this is a bad question. They were considering him as the first choice for the invite. | ||
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flagg
Sweden123 Posts
On December 16 2011 10:35 Dazer wrote: Only thing I'd like to add is how awesome Sundance is. Willing to compromise the partnership between MLG and GOM for truth and transparency. Yo Sunny, you're the baws I can't say that I think MLG has no fault here. You can't announce a prize of a code S spot if you don't have a valid contract with GomTV giving you this right. What GomTV have or haven't done doesn't really mather in this regard because MLG says GomTV had no legal obligation to offer the code S spot. | ||
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wklbishop
United States1286 Posts
On December 16 2011 10:47 PraetorianX wrote: I know some Korean... but just watch the video and you can clearly see there is a very hostile atmosphere. The Korean players are not even being interviewed at all, it's just like they are invited to watch while Naniwa is being put on the spot. It's almost as if the whole interview is designed to piss Naniwa off before the games. There is such a thing as confirmation bias and what you said about the purpose of the interview is really stretching it. At any rate, do you know what dann bei joo se yo means? I purposely left out the hangul to prevent google translation and because this is something oral rather than | ||
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GreyKnight
United States4720 Posts
On December 16 2011 10:57 PraetorianX wrote: Did you even watch the video from 2.30 or 3 minutes onward? Don't you feel the hostility and the tension in the air? When the best Korean players come to Euro-American tournaments they are treated like celebrities and they is like a big audience applauding everything they do and cheering their names, and when the best Western players come to Korea (like Naniwa) they seem to be treated very poorly in comparison. Just watch the clip and you'll see what I mean. You're so delusional it's hilarious. They're not being treated poorly at all. | ||
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
On December 16 2011 10:54 Medrea wrote: I have one question. If GOMTV said that Naniwa never got a Code S invite in the first place... Why again did they release a statement saying they revoked it?? I dunno if this is a bad question. naniwa was being considered for invitation, not yet invited contrary to what mlg and everyone else thought. after his actions, he was off the consideration list. HOWEVER, he probably would have been invited if it wasnt for his actions and regardless any change in prize (code s seed), he would have made it to code s. i think now, people are arguing "naniwa's invitation was revoked" vs "naniwa is taken off the consideration list." since mlg/gom promised a seed spot, but 100% seed was not the case according to gom's recent post. | ||
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jellyjello
Korea (South)664 Posts
On December 16 2011 05:20 DrGreen wrote: Even if they had the right to do so (I'm not sure where did u find that line about adjusting spots) they should inform about the change to Naniwa immediately after they made it. Naniwa thought that he had code s spot until yesterday. Totally unprofessional from GOM side. He probably would have gotten the Code S seed if he had played that goddamn game with anything other than probe rush or outright gg. People need to learn to man up and start taking responsibility. I'm sick of this blame game. | ||
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