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On December 16 2011 10:57 PraetorianX wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 10:51 Govou wrote:On December 16 2011 10:47 PraetorianX wrote:On December 16 2011 10:40 wklbishop wrote:On December 16 2011 10:34 PraetorianX wrote:On December 16 2011 10:07 SnoLys wrote:On December 16 2011 09:39 Fungal Growth wrote:
Here's the thing...I don't think GOM is worried too much about losing subscribers...more so about sponsors. Guess who on of MLG's biggest sponsor is? Ericsson. Guess where Ericsson is based out of? Sweden. Do you think a a large corporation like Ericsson would want to support GOM after it has enraged so many Swedish fans? (who by my unscientific estimate are some of the most vocal about Gom's time traveling rules) If these big corporations get word that their favorite demographic is upset with their advertising platform they could very well pull the plug. Guess the main sponsor of GSL, Sony Ericsson! ![[image loading]](http://img.gomtv.net/imgdata/39446.jpg) Yes, I have already E-mailed Sony Ericsson expressing my outrage as a customer that they sponsor GSL after this disrespectful scandal and I know more people are doing the same. In this video you can see how badly the Koreans treat Naniwa. At 3:00, John the Translator gets pretty confrontive and during the rest of the clip the Koreans can be seen laughing behind Naniwa's back and insulting him in Korean. The actual questions are very poorly formulated and John the translator is talking very queitly. Also John doesn't even bother to translate 90% of the Korean stuff being said, so the foreigners have no idea what's going on. Clearly this is what provoked this whole episode Do you actually speak Korean? EDIT: This isn't meant to be a retort, I'm seriously asking. I know some Korean... but just watch the video and you can clearly see there is a very hostile atmosphere. The Korean players are not even being interviewed at all, it's just like they are invited to watch while Naniwa is being put on the spot. It's almost as if the whole interview is designed to piss Naniwa off before the games. korean players were interviewed separately from foreigners because of english issue. I also do not see any confrontation of any sorts what so ever. Your claim is just so ridiculous that makes me question your sanity. I think it's time you put your tin foil hat on. Did you even watch the video from 2.30 or 3 minutes onward? Don't you feel the hostility and the tension in the air? When the best Korean players come to Euro-American tournaments they are treated like celebrities and they is like a big audience applauding everything they do and cheering their names, and when the best Western players come to Korea (like Naniwa) they seem to be treated very poorly in comparison. Just watch the clip and you'll see what I mean.
the thing is I watched the clip that's why I think you are being so unreasonable. You are just consumed in intense bias and just can't think straight at the moment.
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On December 16 2011 10:53 lOvRyooMak wrote:Hi im a korean living in korea.. I regularly visit korean sites playxp and thisisgame for sc2 There seems to be a lot of misscommunication and confusion overseas I dont see what the fuss is about regarding the format change To be exact the new 2012 gsl format was announced at night dec10th korean time, the night before the start of the blizzard Cup. So what if the format was changed before or after the blizzard cup? The gsl format was always changed every one or two seasons for improvement I remember seeing reactions by people here on TL - i like the new GSL Format! But i dont like the new GSTL format.. Etc Regarding the code S seeding change... As the MLG also clearly stated it is in all gomtv's right to change seeding however they please. Why can't you see that the seeding change was meant to give international players more opportunity in the GSL? The previous seeding would give the seed to the top placed players in the mlg regardless if it were a korean or not. Instead they decided to nominate top international players as candidates for the two seed spots, and the judges would select two probably based on various criteria. i.e personal reasons- not every player may wish to come play in korea. In this case as mentioned in gomtv's latest post sen.idra and naniwa were selected as candidates. But due to naniwa's conduct in the blizzard cup they decided to give it to sen and idra. The nominees and criteria were not announced prior to the decision because the criteria was probably not decided yet! Naniwa's misbehaviour made the decision easier for gom IMO. You have to understand that the gsl is still experimental. Gomtv knows there is room for improvement here and there and is constantly trying to change and develop their league. Making announcements before the system were solidified and decisions were made would make an even bigger confusion and possible shitstorm if it were changed everday. Yes it would be nice if gomtv could just post here on TL and explain ever little thing that is going on what they are discussing and wanting to change. But as you might have noticed the people at gomtv are not that good at english and there can only be misinterpretations here and there. I have been to the gomtv studio many times and what you must understand is that it is quite smaller than you may think. In fact its tiny compared to competitions like mlg or dreamhack. The whole gomtv staff only number about 20people. There are only limitations to what these 20people can do at omce. They cant be everywhere answering all questions here and there and making decisions at once. What i would really like to say is there is always a perfectly good explanation to everything.. Otherwise the korean community would have a bigger shitstorm. The last thing koreans want is something like kespa. instead of making blunt observations on misscommunication and Misinterpretations perhaps wait for a proper announcement by gom or maybe help on a better translation on korean articles before making a shitstorm out of nothing 
You dont have a problem with undocumented changes?
This is a huge exaggeration but imagine this.
MMA wins Blizzard Cup
Everyone is happy and stuff. There is celebration.
Then GOM says, well we changed the prize money before you played your match and the prize is 4 won.
Im sure mma would be pissed.
But as a fan I would be pissed too.
Large tournaments NEED to be transparent about their rules and regulations or else they look very shady.
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On December 16 2011 11:00 Spicy_Curry wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 10:53 lOvRyooMak wrote:Hi im a korean living in korea.. I regularly visit korean sites playxp and thisisgame for sc2 There seems to be a lot of misscommunication and confusion overseas I dont see what the fuss is about regarding the format change To be exact the new 2012 gsl format was announced at night dec10th korean time, the night before the start of the blizzard Cup. So what if the format was changed before or after the blizzard cup? The gsl format was always changed every one or two seasons for improvement I remember seeing reactions by people here on TL - i like the new GSL Format! But i dont like the new GSTL format.. Etc Regarding the code S seeding change... As the MLG also clearly stated it is in all gomtv's right to change seeding however they please. Why can't you see that the seeding change was meant to give international players more opportunity in the GSL? The previous seeding would give the seed to the top placed players in the mlg regardless if it were a korean or not. Instead they decided to nominate top international players as candidates for the two seed spots, and the judges would select two probably based on various criteria. i.e personal reasons- not every player may wish to come play in korea. In this case as mentioned in gomtv's latest post sen.idra and naniwa were selected as candidates. But due to naniwa's conduct in the blizzard cup they decided to give it to sen and idra. The nominees and criteria were not announced prior to the decision because the criteria was probably not decided yet! Naniwa's misbehaviour made the decision easier for gom IMO. You have to understand that the gsl is still experimental. Gomtv knows there is room for improvement here and there and is constantly trying to change and develop their league. Making announcements before the system were solidified and decisions were made would make an even bigger confusion and possible shitstorm if it were changed everday. Yes it would be nice if gomtv could just post here on TL and explain ever little thing that is going on what they are discussing and wanting to change. But as you might have noticed the people at gomtv are not that good at english and there can only be misinterpretations here and there. I have been to the gomtv studio many times and what you must understand is that it is quite smaller than you may think. In fact its tiny compared to competitions like mlg or dreamhack. The whole gomtv staff only number about 20people. There are only limitations to what these 20people can do at omce. They cant be everywhere answering all questions here and there and making decisions at once. What i would really like to say is there is always a perfectly good explanation to everything.. Otherwise the korean community would have a bigger shitstorm. The last thing koreans want is something like kespa. instead of making blunt observations on misscommunication and Misinterpretations perhaps wait for a proper announcement by gom or maybe help on a better translation on korean articles before making a shitstorm out of nothing You dont have a problem with undocumented changes? This is a huge exaggeration but imagine this. MMA wins Blizzard Cup Everyone is happy and stuff. There is celebration. Then GOM says, well we changed the prize money before you played your match and the prize is 4 won. Im sure mma would be pissed. But as a fan I would be pissed too. Large tournaments NEED to be transparent about their rules and regulations or else they look very shady.
Where were you when Gom changed Blizzard cup from top ten seeds to various tournament wins? -.-
I was really annoyed and so were the Korean players when they found out about this, but not many foreign fans complained if at all.
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On December 16 2011 11:03 wklbishop wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 11:00 Spicy_Curry wrote:On December 16 2011 10:53 lOvRyooMak wrote:Hi im a korean living in korea.. I regularly visit korean sites playxp and thisisgame for sc2 There seems to be a lot of misscommunication and confusion overseas I dont see what the fuss is about regarding the format change To be exact the new 2012 gsl format was announced at night dec10th korean time, the night before the start of the blizzard Cup. So what if the format was changed before or after the blizzard cup? The gsl format was always changed every one or two seasons for improvement I remember seeing reactions by people here on TL - i like the new GSL Format! But i dont like the new GSTL format.. Etc Regarding the code S seeding change... As the MLG also clearly stated it is in all gomtv's right to change seeding however they please. Why can't you see that the seeding change was meant to give international players more opportunity in the GSL? The previous seeding would give the seed to the top placed players in the mlg regardless if it were a korean or not. Instead they decided to nominate top international players as candidates for the two seed spots, and the judges would select two probably based on various criteria. i.e personal reasons- not every player may wish to come play in korea. In this case as mentioned in gomtv's latest post sen.idra and naniwa were selected as candidates. But due to naniwa's conduct in the blizzard cup they decided to give it to sen and idra. The nominees and criteria were not announced prior to the decision because the criteria was probably not decided yet! Naniwa's misbehaviour made the decision easier for gom IMO. You have to understand that the gsl is still experimental. Gomtv knows there is room for improvement here and there and is constantly trying to change and develop their league. Making announcements before the system were solidified and decisions were made would make an even bigger confusion and possible shitstorm if it were changed everday. Yes it would be nice if gomtv could just post here on TL and explain ever little thing that is going on what they are discussing and wanting to change. But as you might have noticed the people at gomtv are not that good at english and there can only be misinterpretations here and there. I have been to the gomtv studio many times and what you must understand is that it is quite smaller than you may think. In fact its tiny compared to competitions like mlg or dreamhack. The whole gomtv staff only number about 20people. There are only limitations to what these 20people can do at omce. They cant be everywhere answering all questions here and there and making decisions at once. What i would really like to say is there is always a perfectly good explanation to everything.. Otherwise the korean community would have a bigger shitstorm. The last thing koreans want is something like kespa. instead of making blunt observations on misscommunication and Misinterpretations perhaps wait for a proper announcement by gom or maybe help on a better translation on korean articles before making a shitstorm out of nothing You dont have a problem with undocumented changes? This is a huge exaggeration but imagine this. MMA wins Blizzard Cup Everyone is happy and stuff. There is celebration. Then GOM says, well we changed the prize money before you played your match and the prize is 4 won. Im sure mma would be pissed. But as a fan I would be pissed too. Large tournaments NEED to be transparent about their rules and regulations or else they look very shady. Where were you when Gom changed Blizzard cup from top ten seeds to various tournament wins? -.- I was really annoyed and so were the Korean players when they found out about this, but not many foreign fans complained if at all.
I guess you really wanted to see fruitdealer! ^^
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On December 16 2011 10:57 Govou wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 10:54 Medrea wrote:
I have one question.
If GOMTV said that Naniwa never got a Code S invite in the first place...
Why again did they release a statement saying they revoked it??
I dunno if this is a bad question. They were considering him as the first choice for the invite.
OK.... then.
My question would be.
How do you revoke something you haven't given yet?
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On December 16 2011 10:53 lOvRyooMak wrote:
before or after the blizzard cup?
You got it all wrong. You're mentioning that they already announced the seed-system on dec 10th. That aswell is really wrong arguement here. The main issue is that they chaned the prize AFTER providence. They may have every damn legal right to do so, but it doesn't justify them moralwise.
And to put more sugar on this shitstorm they did NOT inform one of their businesspartners which in this case is one of the biggest western league events. They made their own partner lie, looking like crap and marketing their biggest tournament in history with false prizes. Do understand the problem here?
The issue on Naniwa on is really bigger than just him not being able to go to Code S, and that his perspective of how to play matches is diffrent. I think its bullshit, but that's ok. But they can't just screw the whole world outside Korea and giving every.single.person. the impression that Naniwa is infact in Code S?
Please tell me if you still don't see the macro issue here. The real world is far from a perfect gameplan, this crap looks more like a 1600 rating HoN game where the 5 people in the team can't use the keyboard to talk to their teammates.
And by the way thanks for letting us see how you koreans see on the matter. Atleast we know that somewhat told the korean fanbase something.
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On December 16 2011 11:06 Medrea wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 10:57 Govou wrote:On December 16 2011 10:54 Medrea wrote:
I have one question.
If GOMTV said that Naniwa never got a Code S invite in the first place...
Why again did they release a statement saying they revoked it??
I dunno if this is a bad question. They were considering him as the first choice for the invite. OK.... then. My question would be. How do you revoke something you haven't given yet?
They revoked his candidacy.
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On December 16 2011 11:05 m0ck wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 11:03 wklbishop wrote:On December 16 2011 11:00 Spicy_Curry wrote:On December 16 2011 10:53 lOvRyooMak wrote:Hi im a korean living in korea.. I regularly visit korean sites playxp and thisisgame for sc2 There seems to be a lot of misscommunication and confusion overseas I dont see what the fuss is about regarding the format change To be exact the new 2012 gsl format was announced at night dec10th korean time, the night before the start of the blizzard Cup. So what if the format was changed before or after the blizzard cup? The gsl format was always changed every one or two seasons for improvement I remember seeing reactions by people here on TL - i like the new GSL Format! But i dont like the new GSTL format.. Etc Regarding the code S seeding change... As the MLG also clearly stated it is in all gomtv's right to change seeding however they please. Why can't you see that the seeding change was meant to give international players more opportunity in the GSL? The previous seeding would give the seed to the top placed players in the mlg regardless if it were a korean or not. Instead they decided to nominate top international players as candidates for the two seed spots, and the judges would select two probably based on various criteria. i.e personal reasons- not every player may wish to come play in korea. In this case as mentioned in gomtv's latest post sen.idra and naniwa were selected as candidates. But due to naniwa's conduct in the blizzard cup they decided to give it to sen and idra. The nominees and criteria were not announced prior to the decision because the criteria was probably not decided yet! Naniwa's misbehaviour made the decision easier for gom IMO. You have to understand that the gsl is still experimental. Gomtv knows there is room for improvement here and there and is constantly trying to change and develop their league. Making announcements before the system were solidified and decisions were made would make an even bigger confusion and possible shitstorm if it were changed everday. Yes it would be nice if gomtv could just post here on TL and explain ever little thing that is going on what they are discussing and wanting to change. But as you might have noticed the people at gomtv are not that good at english and there can only be misinterpretations here and there. I have been to the gomtv studio many times and what you must understand is that it is quite smaller than you may think. In fact its tiny compared to competitions like mlg or dreamhack. The whole gomtv staff only number about 20people. There are only limitations to what these 20people can do at omce. They cant be everywhere answering all questions here and there and making decisions at once. What i would really like to say is there is always a perfectly good explanation to everything.. Otherwise the korean community would have a bigger shitstorm. The last thing koreans want is something like kespa. instead of making blunt observations on misscommunication and Misinterpretations perhaps wait for a proper announcement by gom or maybe help on a better translation on korean articles before making a shitstorm out of nothing You dont have a problem with undocumented changes? This is a huge exaggeration but imagine this. MMA wins Blizzard Cup Everyone is happy and stuff. There is celebration. Then GOM says, well we changed the prize money before you played your match and the prize is 4 won. Im sure mma would be pissed. But as a fan I would be pissed too. Large tournaments NEED to be transparent about their rules and regulations or else they look very shady. Where were you when Gom changed Blizzard cup from top ten seeds to various tournament wins? -.- I was really annoyed and so were the Korean players when they found out about this, but not many foreign fans complained if at all. I guess you really wanted to see fruitdealer! ^^
Nah, Fruitdealer wouldn't have appeared and it would've started with Jjakji vs Nada actually; I was just in love with the idea of a KOTH style best of 7 each round to determine the winner.
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On December 16 2011 11:06 Medrea wrote:
OK.... then.
My question would be.
How do you revoke something you haven't given yet? Exactly! The official statement GOM posted said 'revoke'...you can't simultaneously say you revoke them from X but then say they never had X to began with. It is a contradiction and I have yet to see a good answer to this.
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On December 16 2011 11:10 Fungal Growth wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 11:06 Medrea wrote:
OK.... then.
My question would be.
How do you revoke something you haven't given yet? Exactly! The official statement GOM posted said 'revoke'...you can't simultaneously say you revoke them from X but then say they never had X to began with. It is a contradiction and I have yet to see a good answer to this.
On December 16 2011 11:07 Telcontar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 11:06 Medrea wrote:On December 16 2011 10:57 Govou wrote:On December 16 2011 10:54 Medrea wrote:
I have one question.
If GOMTV said that Naniwa never got a Code S invite in the first place...
Why again did they release a statement saying they revoked it??
I dunno if this is a bad question. They were considering him as the first choice for the invite. OK.... then. My question would be. How do you revoke something you haven't given yet? They revoked his candidacy.
now you're just nitpikcing
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On December 16 2011 11:10 Fungal Growth wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 11:06 Medrea wrote:
OK.... then.
My question would be.
How do you revoke something you haven't given yet? Exactly! The official statement GOM posted said 'revoke'...you can't simultaneously say you revoke them from X but then say they never had X to began with. It is a contradiction and I have yet to see a good answer to this.
You're nitpicking whether his candidacy was revoked or a guaranteed spot was revoked in a translated statement. If you're really looking at such minutiae, you'd need to understand Korean and see the original statement. Is it that hard to give GOM the benefit of the doubt that this was a big misunderstanding?
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To punish a player based on lack of professionalism, and then allowing the entire community and their business partner to operate under the false assumption that Code S was part of Providence's prize is just hypocritical in my eyes. Regardless of what was done to Naniwa was just, this is very unprofessional of GOM.
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On December 16 2011 11:00 Spicy_Curry wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 10:53 lOvRyooMak wrote:Hi im a korean living in korea.. I regularly visit korean sites playxp and thisisgame for sc2 There seems to be a lot of misscommunication and confusion overseas I dont see what the fuss is about regarding the format change To be exact the new 2012 gsl format was announced at night dec10th korean time, the night before the start of the blizzard Cup. So what if the format was changed before or after the blizzard cup? The gsl format was always changed every one or two seasons for improvement I remember seeing reactions by people here on TL - i like the new GSL Format! But i dont like the new GSTL format.. Etc Regarding the code S seeding change... As the MLG also clearly stated it is in all gomtv's right to change seeding however they please. Why can't you see that the seeding change was meant to give international players more opportunity in the GSL? The previous seeding would give the seed to the top placed players in the mlg regardless if it were a korean or not. Instead they decided to nominate top international players as candidates for the two seed spots, and the judges would select two probably based on various criteria. i.e personal reasons- not every player may wish to come play in korea. In this case as mentioned in gomtv's latest post sen.idra and naniwa were selected as candidates. But due to naniwa's conduct in the blizzard cup they decided to give it to sen and idra. The nominees and criteria were not announced prior to the decision because the criteria was probably not decided yet! Naniwa's misbehaviour made the decision easier for gom IMO. You have to understand that the gsl is still experimental. Gomtv knows there is room for improvement here and there and is constantly trying to change and develop their league. Making announcements before the system were solidified and decisions were made would make an even bigger confusion and possible shitstorm if it were changed everday. Yes it would be nice if gomtv could just post here on TL and explain ever little thing that is going on what they are discussing and wanting to change. But as you might have noticed the people at gomtv are not that good at english and there can only be misinterpretations here and there. I have been to the gomtv studio many times and what you must understand is that it is quite smaller than you may think. In fact its tiny compared to competitions like mlg or dreamhack. The whole gomtv staff only number about 20people. There are only limitations to what these 20people can do at omce. They cant be everywhere answering all questions here and there and making decisions at once. What i would really like to say is there is always a perfectly good explanation to everything.. Otherwise the korean community would have a bigger shitstorm. The last thing koreans want is something like kespa. instead of making blunt observations on misscommunication and Misinterpretations perhaps wait for a proper announcement by gom or maybe help on a better translation on korean articles before making a shitstorm out of nothing You dont have a problem with undocumented changes? This is a huge exaggeration but imagine this. MMA wins Blizzard Cup Everyone is happy and stuff. There is celebration. Then GOM says, well we changed the prize money before you played your match and the prize is 4 won. Im sure mma would be pissed. But as a fan I would be pissed too. Large tournaments NEED to be transparent about their rules and regulations or else they look very shady.
Here's a far better analogy:
In the last game of Blizzard Cup MMA acts like a complete douchebag and offends everyone watching the broadcast.
Everyone is pissed off barring some who think he's taking a stand against the man for trying to force him to play their way when he really would rather prat around in that game because he knows he can't lose.
Then GOM says, we'll give you your prize money, and fine you lots of it for acting in an unreasonable manner.
I'm sure MMA would be pissed.
Yes you can say what was done to Naniwa was extreme, but the only reason anything was done was because of his behaviour, which GOM clearly found to be offensive, as did a huge amount of the Korean players and fans.
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On December 16 2011 11:08 wklbishop wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 11:05 m0ck wrote:On December 16 2011 11:03 wklbishop wrote:On December 16 2011 11:00 Spicy_Curry wrote:On December 16 2011 10:53 lOvRyooMak wrote:Hi im a korean living in korea.. I regularly visit korean sites playxp and thisisgame for sc2 There seems to be a lot of misscommunication and confusion overseas I dont see what the fuss is about regarding the format change To be exact the new 2012 gsl format was announced at night dec10th korean time, the night before the start of the blizzard Cup. So what if the format was changed before or after the blizzard cup? The gsl format was always changed every one or two seasons for improvement I remember seeing reactions by people here on TL - i like the new GSL Format! But i dont like the new GSTL format.. Etc Regarding the code S seeding change... As the MLG also clearly stated it is in all gomtv's right to change seeding however they please. Why can't you see that the seeding change was meant to give international players more opportunity in the GSL? The previous seeding would give the seed to the top placed players in the mlg regardless if it were a korean or not. Instead they decided to nominate top international players as candidates for the two seed spots, and the judges would select two probably based on various criteria. i.e personal reasons- not every player may wish to come play in korea. In this case as mentioned in gomtv's latest post sen.idra and naniwa were selected as candidates. But due to naniwa's conduct in the blizzard cup they decided to give it to sen and idra. The nominees and criteria were not announced prior to the decision because the criteria was probably not decided yet! Naniwa's misbehaviour made the decision easier for gom IMO. You have to understand that the gsl is still experimental. Gomtv knows there is room for improvement here and there and is constantly trying to change and develop their league. Making announcements before the system were solidified and decisions were made would make an even bigger confusion and possible shitstorm if it were changed everday. Yes it would be nice if gomtv could just post here on TL and explain ever little thing that is going on what they are discussing and wanting to change. But as you might have noticed the people at gomtv are not that good at english and there can only be misinterpretations here and there. I have been to the gomtv studio many times and what you must understand is that it is quite smaller than you may think. In fact its tiny compared to competitions like mlg or dreamhack. The whole gomtv staff only number about 20people. There are only limitations to what these 20people can do at omce. They cant be everywhere answering all questions here and there and making decisions at once. What i would really like to say is there is always a perfectly good explanation to everything.. Otherwise the korean community would have a bigger shitstorm. The last thing koreans want is something like kespa. instead of making blunt observations on misscommunication and Misinterpretations perhaps wait for a proper announcement by gom or maybe help on a better translation on korean articles before making a shitstorm out of nothing You dont have a problem with undocumented changes? This is a huge exaggeration but imagine this. MMA wins Blizzard Cup Everyone is happy and stuff. There is celebration. Then GOM says, well we changed the prize money before you played your match and the prize is 4 won. Im sure mma would be pissed. But as a fan I would be pissed too. Large tournaments NEED to be transparent about their rules and regulations or else they look very shady. Where were you when Gom changed Blizzard cup from top ten seeds to various tournament wins? -.- I was really annoyed and so were the Korean players when they found out about this, but not many foreign fans complained if at all. I guess you really wanted to see fruitdealer! ^^ Nah, Fruitdealer wouldn't have appeared and it would've started with Jjakji vs Nada actually; I was just in love with the idea of a KOTH style best of 7 each round to determine the winner.
Admittedly sounds a lot cooler than what we got.
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On December 16 2011 11:07 Telcontar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 11:06 Medrea wrote:On December 16 2011 10:57 Govou wrote:On December 16 2011 10:54 Medrea wrote:
I have one question.
If GOMTV said that Naniwa never got a Code S invite in the first place...
Why again did they release a statement saying they revoked it??
I dunno if this is a bad question. They were considering him as the first choice for the invite. OK.... then. My question would be. How do you revoke something you haven't given yet? They revoked his candidacy.
That's quite nitpicky actually.
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On December 16 2011 11:10 Fungal Growth wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 11:06 Medrea wrote:
OK.... then.
My question would be.
How do you revoke something you haven't given yet? Exactly! The official statement GOM posted said 'revoke'...you can't simultaneously say you revoke them from X but then say they never had X to began with. It is a contradiction and I have yet to see a good answer to this.
Poor English....
You have no idea. My supervisor for research is a Korean dude whom has a undergrad degree in English from a Korean university and a PHD in MIS. He openly acknowledged to me that their english is actually pretty poor unless they've spent years in a english-speaking country as a kid even... and the guy is very conciliatory because he realizes that a lot of times, it's not either parties faults, but rather a communication error.
I know this sounds like too easy of an answer... but it's actually more common than one would think. And you really can't make any statements about GOM's position until you read the fine print in Hangul... but people can argue and arguing semantics against Koreans in the english language would mean that english-speakers win naturally.
Of course, this is one answer and I want to temper my statement with the fact that it's only one possibility and I'm not necessarily saying it's the answer, just wanted to say that it's quite possible.
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On December 16 2011 11:12 Flondra wrote:
To punish a player based on lack of professionalism, and then allowing the entire community and their business partner to operate under the false assumption that Code S was part of Providence's prize is just hypocritical in my eyes. Regardless of what was done to Naniwa was just, this is very unprofessional of GOM.
code s is/was/still part of providence prize, whatever the case of naniwa being already invited or being considered, he is no more. what changed that? not gom's change in prize, it was naniwa.
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On December 16 2011 11:12 diophan wrote:
Your nitpicking whether his candidacy was revoked or a guaranteed spot was revoked in a translated statement. If you're really looking at such minutiae, you'd need to understand Korean and see the original statement. The statement was put on Gom's official website in English and the onus is on them to provide clear communication in this matter. They are accountable (at least they should be) for what they say.
Here is the wording used on GOM's own website:
We want to make clear that NaNiWa will not be banned from the GSL for his actions. We will however revoke his candidacy for a Code S seed, which means that he will have to requalify for the GSL. So fine...say Naniwa 'never had code-s'. Why make a statement about it then? Coincidently, after his probe-rush? GOM's new rules appear to be...they can pick whoever they want for code-s. So they could have had the same press conference announcing that White-Ra would not be considered for the code-s spot...it would make as much sense.
Also, how would Naniwa re-qualify for the GSL...if he 'was never qualified'? The key is the 're' part. That's not a simple Korean-English translation issue but muddy justification on Chae's part to justify his revenge on Naniwa.
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On December 16 2011 11:14 Medrea wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 11:07 Telcontar wrote:On December 16 2011 11:06 Medrea wrote:On December 16 2011 10:57 Govou wrote:On December 16 2011 10:54 Medrea wrote:
I have one question.
If GOMTV said that Naniwa never got a Code S invite in the first place...
Why again did they release a statement saying they revoked it??
I dunno if this is a bad question. They were considering him as the first choice for the invite. OK.... then. My question would be. How do you revoke something you haven't given yet? They revoked his candidacy. That's quite nitpicky actually.
And yet correct. In GOM's eyes they have done nothing deceitful or against the rules. Naniwa was not guarenteed a Code S seed in GSL 2012 Jan. He was the top candidate. They have a right to remove any candidate if they feel there was a breach of professional conduct. The only problem people should have is how GOM didn't communicate with MLG or the community about how they were changing the format and exactly how that affected the Code S spot from MLG Providence. Did they mess that up? Yes. Did they do anything else to earn the ire of so many of you? I can't see it.
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On December 16 2011 11:17 jinorazi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 11:12 Flondra wrote:
To punish a player based on lack of professionalism, and then allowing the entire community and their business partner to operate under the false assumption that Code S was part of Providence's prize is just hypocritical in my eyes. Regardless of what was done to Naniwa was just, this is very unprofessional of GOM. code s is/was/still part of providence prize, whatever the case of naniwa being already invited or being considered, he is no more. what changed that? not gom's change in prize, it was naniwa.
If you read the statement from GOM, Naniwa was never actually given the spot in the first place, but was simply considered as one among others:
"NaNiWa has been considered as one of the players to receive a Code S seed for the 2012 GSL Season 1 as a part of the this new seeding system due to his recent impressive results."
From GOMs statement, MLG Providence had no special standing on the giving of the code S spot. It was a tournament among others. Rather, the 'prize' from GOM for was the Blizzard Cup:
"It seems like a lot of people have been under the impression that NaNiWa has received a Code S seed for taking 2nd place at MLG Providence. The truth however is that NaNiWa has received the right to compete in the Blizzard Cup for his 2nd place achievement at MLG Providence."
GOM didn't give out a code-S spot at Providence, and MLG doesn't care. It's rather mystifying.
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