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On December 16 2011 10:53 lOvRyooMak wrote:Hi im a korean living in korea.. I regularly visit korean sites playxp and thisisgame for sc2 There seems to be a lot of misscommunication and confusion overseas I dont see what the fuss is about regarding the format change To be exact the new 2012 gsl format was announced at night dec10th korean time, the night before the start of the blizzard Cup. So what if the format was changed before or after the blizzard cup? The gsl format was always changed every one or two seasons for improvement I remember seeing reactions by people here on TL - i like the new GSL Format! But i dont like the new GSTL format.. Etc Regarding the code S seeding change... As the MLG also clearly stated it is in all gomtv's right to change seeding however they please. Why can't you see that the seeding change was meant to give international players more opportunity in the GSL? The previous seeding would give the seed to the top placed players in the mlg regardless if it were a korean or not. Instead they decided to nominate top international players as candidates for the two seed spots, and the judges would select two probably based on various criteria. i.e personal reasons- not every player may wish to come play in korea. In this case as mentioned in gomtv's latest post sen.idra and naniwa were selected as candidates. But due to naniwa's conduct in the blizzard cup they decided to give it to sen and idra. The nominees and criteria were not announced prior to the decision because the criteria was probably not decided yet! Naniwa's misbehaviour made the decision easier for gom IMO. You have to understand that the gsl is still experimental. Gomtv knows there is room for improvement here and there and is constantly trying to change and develop their league. Making announcements before the system were solidified and decisions were made would make an even bigger confusion and possible shitstorm if it were changed everday. Yes it would be nice if gomtv could just post here on TL and explain ever little thing that is going on what they are discussing and wanting to change. But as you might have noticed the people at gomtv are not that good at english and there can only be misinterpretations here and there. I have been to the gomtv studio many times and what you must understand is that it is quite smaller than you may think. In fact its tiny compared to competitions like mlg or dreamhack. The whole gomtv staff only number about 20people. There are only limitations to what these 20people can do at omce. They cant be everywhere answering all questions here and there and making decisions at once. What i would really like to say is there is always a perfectly good explanation to everything.. Otherwise the korean community would have a bigger shitstorm. The last thing koreans want is something like kespa. instead of making blunt observations on misscommunication and Misinterpretations perhaps wait for a proper announcement by gom or maybe help on a better translation on korean articles before making a shitstorm out of nothing 
Thank you very much for that. Quoting it in hopes more people read it, it's a very well written post with many good points. I really wish more people would think straight rather than letting their emotions get the better of them and make them completely unreasonable and biased.
I think with the naniwa incident GOM got caught between a rock and a hard place. If they did nothing, many of the koreans that were throwing a shitstorm would stop supporting them. If they took action, as you can see a lot of the naniwa fanboys decided to throw a shitstorm and stop supporting them. In the end as they are a korean based organization and there are far more koreans outraged at naniwas actions than there are nanniwa fans outraged at GOMs actions, I think they did the right thing both morally and for business purposes.
I do wish things could've been a bit clearer as to what happened with the GSL/MLG exchange program with providennce, but I think it's starting to make sense now, I just wish more people would take the time to read up on what happened and try to understand it rather than coming here and flaming GOM without even reading the facts.
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On December 16 2011 12:08 hunts wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 10:53 lOvRyooMak wrote:Hi im a korean living in korea.. I regularly visit korean sites playxp and thisisgame for sc2 There seems to be a lot of misscommunication and confusion overseas I dont see what the fuss is about regarding the format change To be exact the new 2012 gsl format was announced at night dec10th korean time, the night before the start of the blizzard Cup. So what if the format was changed before or after the blizzard cup? The gsl format was always changed every one or two seasons for improvement I remember seeing reactions by people here on TL - i like the new GSL Format! But i dont like the new GSTL format.. Etc Regarding the code S seeding change... As the MLG also clearly stated it is in all gomtv's right to change seeding however they please. Why can't you see that the seeding change was meant to give international players more opportunity in the GSL? The previous seeding would give the seed to the top placed players in the mlg regardless if it were a korean or not. Instead they decided to nominate top international players as candidates for the two seed spots, and the judges would select two probably based on various criteria. i.e personal reasons- not every player may wish to come play in korea. In this case as mentioned in gomtv's latest post sen.idra and naniwa were selected as candidates. But due to naniwa's conduct in the blizzard cup they decided to give it to sen and idra. The nominees and criteria were not announced prior to the decision because the criteria was probably not decided yet! Naniwa's misbehaviour made the decision easier for gom IMO. You have to understand that the gsl is still experimental. Gomtv knows there is room for improvement here and there and is constantly trying to change and develop their league. Making announcements before the system were solidified and decisions were made would make an even bigger confusion and possible shitstorm if it were changed everday. Yes it would be nice if gomtv could just post here on TL and explain ever little thing that is going on what they are discussing and wanting to change. But as you might have noticed the people at gomtv are not that good at english and there can only be misinterpretations here and there. I have been to the gomtv studio many times and what you must understand is that it is quite smaller than you may think. In fact its tiny compared to competitions like mlg or dreamhack. The whole gomtv staff only number about 20people. There are only limitations to what these 20people can do at omce. They cant be everywhere answering all questions here and there and making decisions at once. What i would really like to say is there is always a perfectly good explanation to everything.. Otherwise the korean community would have a bigger shitstorm. The last thing koreans want is something like kespa. instead of making blunt observations on misscommunication and Misinterpretations perhaps wait for a proper announcement by gom or maybe help on a better translation on korean articles before making a shitstorm out of nothing Thank you very much for that. Quoting it in hopes more people read it, it's a very well written post with many good points. I really wish more people would think straight rather than letting their emotions get the better of them and make them completely unreasonable and biased. I think with the naniwa incident GOM got caught between a rock and a hard place. If they did nothing, many of the koreans that were throwing a shitstorm would stop supporting them. If they took action, as you can see a lot of the naniwa fanboys decided to throw a shitstorm and stop supporting them. In the end as they are a korean based organization and there are far more koreans outraged at naniwas actions than there are nanniwa fans outraged at GOMs actions, I think they did the right thing both morally and for business purposes. I do wish things could've been a bit clearer as to what happened with the GSL/MLG exchange program with providennce, but I think it's starting to make sense now, I just wish more people would take the time to read up on what happened and try to understand it rather than coming here and flaming GOM without even reading the facts.
It has little to do with "misunderstanding".
When they want to punish NaNiwa, just say it as it is. "What NaNiwa did was wrong, he gets no Code S seed, period." Fanboys would be raging no matter what.
Instead they climbed into a time machine and said "Remember the rules you agreed to and played under back in November in Providence? Right, forget them. We are changing the rules now, a month after the tournament finished".
You don't do that- you could even call it fraud. Have you ever supported any other tournament to go call one of their previous winners and say "The money you should recieve for your last win, actually we now think you should only get half of it".
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Knew this was the case and have been waiting for this exact statement for a while.
I hope it has some huge ramifications on GOM, mainly MLG aint gonna be doing their bidding and taking korean players so easily anymore.
Also so much for this whole honor thing GOM is going with... Couldn't keep their honor by holding an agreement they've had for months.
Either way no matter what choice they made there would be a shitstorm on either side be is the foriegners or koreans...
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Edit : Blizzard Cup Interview with Pro-players
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GOM should apologize for the misconception, but it wouldn't matter anyway since Naniwa wasn't getting the Code S spot after what happened, even if he earned it through Providence
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On December 16 2011 12:35 SkimGuy wrote:
GOM should apologize for the misconception, but it wouldn't matter anyway since Naniwa wasn't getting the Code S spot after what happened, even if he earned it through Providence
It doesn't matter that Naniwa would or would not have gotten the code S spot anyway. That's not the point.
It's a huge misconception because they:
1. Did not notify MLG who they had a partnership with
2. Did not notify all of the foreign fans, who were under the impression that Naniwa had secured a code S.
If we are going to get on Naniwa for acting unprofessional, then it would be hypocritical not to get on GOM for this blatant unprofessional changing of the rules without notifying anyone.
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On December 16 2011 12:15 rotegirte wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 12:08 hunts wrote:On December 16 2011 10:53 lOvRyooMak wrote:Hi im a korean living in korea.. I regularly visit korean sites playxp and thisisgame for sc2 There seems to be a lot of misscommunication and confusion overseas I dont see what the fuss is about regarding the format change To be exact the new 2012 gsl format was announced at night dec10th korean time, the night before the start of the blizzard Cup. So what if the format was changed before or after the blizzard cup? The gsl format was always changed every one or two seasons for improvement I remember seeing reactions by people here on TL - i like the new GSL Format! But i dont like the new GSTL format.. Etc Regarding the code S seeding change... As the MLG also clearly stated it is in all gomtv's right to change seeding however they please. Why can't you see that the seeding change was meant to give international players more opportunity in the GSL? The previous seeding would give the seed to the top placed players in the mlg regardless if it were a korean or not. Instead they decided to nominate top international players as candidates for the two seed spots, and the judges would select two probably based on various criteria. i.e personal reasons- not every player may wish to come play in korea. In this case as mentioned in gomtv's latest post sen.idra and naniwa were selected as candidates. But due to naniwa's conduct in the blizzard cup they decided to give it to sen and idra. The nominees and criteria were not announced prior to the decision because the criteria was probably not decided yet! Naniwa's misbehaviour made the decision easier for gom IMO. You have to understand that the gsl is still experimental. Gomtv knows there is room for improvement here and there and is constantly trying to change and develop their league. Making announcements before the system were solidified and decisions were made would make an even bigger confusion and possible shitstorm if it were changed everday. Yes it would be nice if gomtv could just post here on TL and explain ever little thing that is going on what they are discussing and wanting to change. But as you might have noticed the people at gomtv are not that good at english and there can only be misinterpretations here and there. I have been to the gomtv studio many times and what you must understand is that it is quite smaller than you may think. In fact its tiny compared to competitions like mlg or dreamhack. The whole gomtv staff only number about 20people. There are only limitations to what these 20people can do at omce. They cant be everywhere answering all questions here and there and making decisions at once. What i would really like to say is there is always a perfectly good explanation to everything.. Otherwise the korean community would have a bigger shitstorm. The last thing koreans want is something like kespa. instead of making blunt observations on misscommunication and Misinterpretations perhaps wait for a proper announcement by gom or maybe help on a better translation on korean articles before making a shitstorm out of nothing Thank you very much for that. Quoting it in hopes more people read it, it's a very well written post with many good points. I really wish more people would think straight rather than letting their emotions get the better of them and make them completely unreasonable and biased. I think with the naniwa incident GOM got caught between a rock and a hard place. If they did nothing, many of the koreans that were throwing a shitstorm would stop supporting them. If they took action, as you can see a lot of the naniwa fanboys decided to throw a shitstorm and stop supporting them. In the end as they are a korean based organization and there are far more koreans outraged at naniwas actions than there are nanniwa fans outraged at GOMs actions, I think they did the right thing both morally and for business purposes. I do wish things could've been a bit clearer as to what happened with the GSL/MLG exchange program with providennce, but I think it's starting to make sense now, I just wish more people would take the time to read up on what happened and try to understand it rather than coming here and flaming GOM without even reading the facts. It has little to do with "misunderstanding". When they want to punish NaNiwa, just say it as it is. "What NaNiwa did was wrong, he gets no Code S seed, period." Fanboys would be raging no matter what. Instead they climbed into a time machine and said "Remember the rules you agreed to and played under back in November in Providence? Right, forget them. We are changing the rules now, a month after the tournament finished". You don't do that- you could even call it fraud. Have you ever supported any other tournament to go call one of their previous winners and say "The money you should recieve for your last win, actually we now think you should only get half of it".
What im saying is yes his prize was changed
The prize was changed because the seed format was chamged.
Im only pointing out there is a good reason for the change-to give more opportunities
It is a sacrifice naniwa was forced to make for the good of the gsl. Naniwa should be well credited for his sacrifice. The change in seed format had nothing to do with blizzcup, naniwa and quantic have accepted the change. Fans of naniwa can be angry.. But it wont change anything. Naniwa still had a chance for the code S seed being a candidate but gom eliminated him from the candidate list due to his conduct in blizzcup which angered korean gamers fans and staff.. End of story
You can be angry as you like at gom for changing his prize and or taking his candidate position
But im just pointing out it was an optimal decision for the future tournament itself
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On December 16 2011 12:42 lOvRyooMak wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 12:15 rotegirte wrote:On December 16 2011 12:08 hunts wrote:On December 16 2011 10:53 lOvRyooMak wrote:Hi im a korean living in korea.. I regularly visit korean sites playxp and thisisgame for sc2 There seems to be a lot of misscommunication and confusion overseas I dont see what the fuss is about regarding the format change To be exact the new 2012 gsl format was announced at night dec10th korean time, the night before the start of the blizzard Cup. So what if the format was changed before or after the blizzard cup? The gsl format was always changed every one or two seasons for improvement I remember seeing reactions by people here on TL - i like the new GSL Format! But i dont like the new GSTL format.. Etc Regarding the code S seeding change... As the MLG also clearly stated it is in all gomtv's right to change seeding however they please. Why can't you see that the seeding change was meant to give international players more opportunity in the GSL? The previous seeding would give the seed to the top placed players in the mlg regardless if it were a korean or not. Instead they decided to nominate top international players as candidates for the two seed spots, and the judges would select two probably based on various criteria. i.e personal reasons- not every player may wish to come play in korea. In this case as mentioned in gomtv's latest post sen.idra and naniwa were selected as candidates. But due to naniwa's conduct in the blizzard cup they decided to give it to sen and idra. The nominees and criteria were not announced prior to the decision because the criteria was probably not decided yet! Naniwa's misbehaviour made the decision easier for gom IMO. You have to understand that the gsl is still experimental. Gomtv knows there is room for improvement here and there and is constantly trying to change and develop their league. Making announcements before the system were solidified and decisions were made would make an even bigger confusion and possible shitstorm if it were changed everday. Yes it would be nice if gomtv could just post here on TL and explain ever little thing that is going on what they are discussing and wanting to change. But as you might have noticed the people at gomtv are not that good at english and there can only be misinterpretations here and there. I have been to the gomtv studio many times and what you must understand is that it is quite smaller than you may think. In fact its tiny compared to competitions like mlg or dreamhack. The whole gomtv staff only number about 20people. There are only limitations to what these 20people can do at omce. They cant be everywhere answering all questions here and there and making decisions at once. What i would really like to say is there is always a perfectly good explanation to everything.. Otherwise the korean community would have a bigger shitstorm. The last thing koreans want is something like kespa. instead of making blunt observations on misscommunication and Misinterpretations perhaps wait for a proper announcement by gom or maybe help on a better translation on korean articles before making a shitstorm out of nothing Thank you very much for that. Quoting it in hopes more people read it, it's a very well written post with many good points. I really wish more people would think straight rather than letting their emotions get the better of them and make them completely unreasonable and biased. I think with the naniwa incident GOM got caught between a rock and a hard place. If they did nothing, many of the koreans that were throwing a shitstorm would stop supporting them. If they took action, as you can see a lot of the naniwa fanboys decided to throw a shitstorm and stop supporting them. In the end as they are a korean based organization and there are far more koreans outraged at naniwas actions than there are nanniwa fans outraged at GOMs actions, I think they did the right thing both morally and for business purposes. I do wish things could've been a bit clearer as to what happened with the GSL/MLG exchange program with providennce, but I think it's starting to make sense now, I just wish more people would take the time to read up on what happened and try to understand it rather than coming here and flaming GOM without even reading the facts. It has little to do with "misunderstanding". When they want to punish NaNiwa, just say it as it is. "What NaNiwa did was wrong, he gets no Code S seed, period." Fanboys would be raging no matter what. Instead they climbed into a time machine and said "Remember the rules you agreed to and played under back in November in Providence? Right, forget them. We are changing the rules now, a month after the tournament finished". You don't do that- you could even call it fraud. Have you ever supported any other tournament to go call one of their previous winners and say "The money you should recieve for your last win, actually we now think you should only get half of it". What im saying is yes his prize was change The prize was changed because the seed format was chamged. Im only pointing out there is a good reason for the change-to give more opportunities It is a sacrifice naniwa was forced to make for the good of the gsl. Naniwa should be well credited for it. The change in seed format had nothing to do with blizzcup, naniwa and quantic have accepted it. Fans of naniwa can be angry.. But it wont change anything. Naniwa still had a chance for the code S seed being a candidate but gom eliminated Him from the candidate list due to blizzcup. End of story You can be angry as you like at gom for changing his prize and or taking his candidate position But im just pointing out it was an optimal decision for the tournament itself
Please take your time and re-read my posts. Especially the long one. No one here discusses the change. It is a whole different matter. Many in TL actually find the new format really good, or at least a good improvement.
It also doesn't matter whether NaNiwa get's Code S or not. I think you deliberately skipped 99% of my posts. Because that's another thing I had to repeat over and over.
It is about changing rules afterwards.
Imagine a test in school.
Your teacher tells you: "draw a house".
One week later he gives you the results of the test.
And says: "By the way, I changed the rules of the test. The new goal is to draw a horse. You have 0 points, enjoy"
What I am saying is, they can change their format. Just tell others about it before the tournament. And not after.
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I think it's important that koreans could have won Code S through MLG. This change is bad, and MLG should have been notified.
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On December 16 2011 12:47 rotegirte wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 12:42 lOvRyooMak wrote:On December 16 2011 12:15 rotegirte wrote:On December 16 2011 12:08 hunts wrote:On December 16 2011 10:53 lOvRyooMak wrote:Hi im a korean living in korea.. I regularly visit korean sites playxp and thisisgame for sc2 There seems to be a lot of misscommunication and confusion overseas I dont see what the fuss is about regarding the format change To be exact the new 2012 gsl format was announced at night dec10th korean time, the night before the start of the blizzard Cup. So what if the format was changed before or after the blizzard cup? The gsl format was always changed every one or two seasons for improvement I remember seeing reactions by people here on TL - i like the new GSL Format! But i dont like the new GSTL format.. Etc Regarding the code S seeding change... As the MLG also clearly stated it is in all gomtv's right to change seeding however they please. Why can't you see that the seeding change was meant to give international players more opportunity in the GSL? The previous seeding would give the seed to the top placed players in the mlg regardless if it were a korean or not. Instead they decided to nominate top international players as candidates for the two seed spots, and the judges would select two probably based on various criteria. i.e personal reasons- not every player may wish to come play in korea. In this case as mentioned in gomtv's latest post sen.idra and naniwa were selected as candidates. But due to naniwa's conduct in the blizzard cup they decided to give it to sen and idra. The nominees and criteria were not announced prior to the decision because the criteria was probably not decided yet! Naniwa's misbehaviour made the decision easier for gom IMO. You have to understand that the gsl is still experimental. Gomtv knows there is room for improvement here and there and is constantly trying to change and develop their league. Making announcements before the system were solidified and decisions were made would make an even bigger confusion and possible shitstorm if it were changed everday. Yes it would be nice if gomtv could just post here on TL and explain ever little thing that is going on what they are discussing and wanting to change. But as you might have noticed the people at gomtv are not that good at english and there can only be misinterpretations here and there. I have been to the gomtv studio many times and what you must understand is that it is quite smaller than you may think. In fact its tiny compared to competitions like mlg or dreamhack. The whole gomtv staff only number about 20people. There are only limitations to what these 20people can do at omce. They cant be everywhere answering all questions here and there and making decisions at once. What i would really like to say is there is always a perfectly good explanation to everything.. Otherwise the korean community would have a bigger shitstorm. The last thing koreans want is something like kespa. instead of making blunt observations on misscommunication and Misinterpretations perhaps wait for a proper announcement by gom or maybe help on a better translation on korean articles before making a shitstorm out of nothing Thank you very much for that. Quoting it in hopes more people read it, it's a very well written post with many good points. I really wish more people would think straight rather than letting their emotions get the better of them and make them completely unreasonable and biased. I think with the naniwa incident GOM got caught between a rock and a hard place. If they did nothing, many of the koreans that were throwing a shitstorm would stop supporting them. If they took action, as you can see a lot of the naniwa fanboys decided to throw a shitstorm and stop supporting them. In the end as they are a korean based organization and there are far more koreans outraged at naniwas actions than there are nanniwa fans outraged at GOMs actions, I think they did the right thing both morally and for business purposes. I do wish things could've been a bit clearer as to what happened with the GSL/MLG exchange program with providennce, but I think it's starting to make sense now, I just wish more people would take the time to read up on what happened and try to understand it rather than coming here and flaming GOM without even reading the facts. It has little to do with "misunderstanding". When they want to punish NaNiwa, just say it as it is. "What NaNiwa did was wrong, he gets no Code S seed, period." Fanboys would be raging no matter what. Instead they climbed into a time machine and said "Remember the rules you agreed to and played under back in November in Providence? Right, forget them. We are changing the rules now, a month after the tournament finished". You don't do that- you could even call it fraud. Have you ever supported any other tournament to go call one of their previous winners and say "The money you should recieve for your last win, actually we now think you should only get half of it". What im saying is yes his prize was change The prize was changed because the seed format was chamged. Im only pointing out there is a good reason for the change-to give more opportunities It is a sacrifice naniwa was forced to make for the good of the gsl. Naniwa should be well credited for it. The change in seed format had nothing to do with blizzcup, naniwa and quantic have accepted it. Fans of naniwa can be angry.. But it wont change anything. Naniwa still had a chance for the code S seed being a candidate but gom eliminated Him from the candidate list due to blizzcup. End of story You can be angry as you like at gom for changing his prize and or taking his candidate position But im just pointing out it was an optimal decision for the tournament itself Please take your time and re-read my posts. Especially the long one. No one here discusses the change. It is a whole different matter. Many in TL actually find the new format really good, or at least a good improvement. It also doesn't matter whether NaNiwa get's Code S or not. I think you deliberately skipped 99% of my posts. Because that's another thing I had to repeat over and over. It is about changing rules afterwards. Imagine a test in school. Your teacher tells you: "draw a house". One week later he gives you the results of the test. And says: "By the way, I changed the rules of the test. The new goal is to draw a horse. You have 0 points, enjoy" What I am saying is, they can change their format. Just tell others about it before the tournament. And not after.
i think you're making it a bigger deal than it actually is. especially when people are connecting it with naniwa.
you're making it like they actually changed the money prize, which would be significant but its not the same.
regardless of change, naniwa and others would still have been most likely invited for code s.
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On December 16 2011 12:50 jinorazi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 12:47 rotegirte wrote:On December 16 2011 12:42 lOvRyooMak wrote:On December 16 2011 12:15 rotegirte wrote:On December 16 2011 12:08 hunts wrote:On December 16 2011 10:53 lOvRyooMak wrote:Hi im a korean living in korea.. I regularly visit korean sites playxp and thisisgame for sc2 There seems to be a lot of misscommunication and confusion overseas I dont see what the fuss is about regarding the format change To be exact the new 2012 gsl format was announced at night dec10th korean time, the night before the start of the blizzard Cup. So what if the format was changed before or after the blizzard cup? The gsl format was always changed every one or two seasons for improvement I remember seeing reactions by people here on TL - i like the new GSL Format! But i dont like the new GSTL format.. Etc Regarding the code S seeding change... As the MLG also clearly stated it is in all gomtv's right to change seeding however they please. Why can't you see that the seeding change was meant to give international players more opportunity in the GSL? The previous seeding would give the seed to the top placed players in the mlg regardless if it were a korean or not. Instead they decided to nominate top international players as candidates for the two seed spots, and the judges would select two probably based on various criteria. i.e personal reasons- not every player may wish to come play in korea. In this case as mentioned in gomtv's latest post sen.idra and naniwa were selected as candidates. But due to naniwa's conduct in the blizzard cup they decided to give it to sen and idra. The nominees and criteria were not announced prior to the decision because the criteria was probably not decided yet! Naniwa's misbehaviour made the decision easier for gom IMO. You have to understand that the gsl is still experimental. Gomtv knows there is room for improvement here and there and is constantly trying to change and develop their league. Making announcements before the system were solidified and decisions were made would make an even bigger confusion and possible shitstorm if it were changed everday. Yes it would be nice if gomtv could just post here on TL and explain ever little thing that is going on what they are discussing and wanting to change. But as you might have noticed the people at gomtv are not that good at english and there can only be misinterpretations here and there. I have been to the gomtv studio many times and what you must understand is that it is quite smaller than you may think. In fact its tiny compared to competitions like mlg or dreamhack. The whole gomtv staff only number about 20people. There are only limitations to what these 20people can do at omce. They cant be everywhere answering all questions here and there and making decisions at once. What i would really like to say is there is always a perfectly good explanation to everything.. Otherwise the korean community would have a bigger shitstorm. The last thing koreans want is something like kespa. instead of making blunt observations on misscommunication and Misinterpretations perhaps wait for a proper announcement by gom or maybe help on a better translation on korean articles before making a shitstorm out of nothing Thank you very much for that. Quoting it in hopes more people read it, it's a very well written post with many good points. I really wish more people would think straight rather than letting their emotions get the better of them and make them completely unreasonable and biased. I think with the naniwa incident GOM got caught between a rock and a hard place. If they did nothing, many of the koreans that were throwing a shitstorm would stop supporting them. If they took action, as you can see a lot of the naniwa fanboys decided to throw a shitstorm and stop supporting them. In the end as they are a korean based organization and there are far more koreans outraged at naniwas actions than there are nanniwa fans outraged at GOMs actions, I think they did the right thing both morally and for business purposes. I do wish things could've been a bit clearer as to what happened with the GSL/MLG exchange program with providennce, but I think it's starting to make sense now, I just wish more people would take the time to read up on what happened and try to understand it rather than coming here and flaming GOM without even reading the facts. It has little to do with "misunderstanding". When they want to punish NaNiwa, just say it as it is. "What NaNiwa did was wrong, he gets no Code S seed, period." Fanboys would be raging no matter what. Instead they climbed into a time machine and said "Remember the rules you agreed to and played under back in November in Providence? Right, forget them. We are changing the rules now, a month after the tournament finished". You don't do that- you could even call it fraud. Have you ever supported any other tournament to go call one of their previous winners and say "The money you should recieve for your last win, actually we now think you should only get half of it". What im saying is yes his prize was change The prize was changed because the seed format was chamged. Im only pointing out there is a good reason for the change-to give more opportunities It is a sacrifice naniwa was forced to make for the good of the gsl. Naniwa should be well credited for it. The change in seed format had nothing to do with blizzcup, naniwa and quantic have accepted it. Fans of naniwa can be angry.. But it wont change anything. Naniwa still had a chance for the code S seed being a candidate but gom eliminated Him from the candidate list due to blizzcup. End of story You can be angry as you like at gom for changing his prize and or taking his candidate position But im just pointing out it was an optimal decision for the tournament itself Please take your time and re-read my posts. Especially the long one. No one here discusses the change. It is a whole different matter. Many in TL actually find the new format really good, or at least a good improvement. It also doesn't matter whether NaNiwa get's Code S or not. I think you deliberately skipped 99% of my posts. Because that's another thing I had to repeat over and over. It is about changing rules afterwards. Imagine a test in school. Your teacher tells you: "draw a house". One week later he gives you the results of the test. And says: "By the way, I changed the rules of the test. The new goal is to draw a horse. You have 0 points, enjoy" What I am saying is, they can change their format. Just tell others about it before the tournament. And not after. i think you're making it a bigger deal than it actually is. especially when people are connecting it with naniwa. you're making it like they actually changed the prize pool, which would be significant but its not the same.
So rewards to player performance in tournaments should be generally held subject to change, and tournament organizer's judgement will suffice on evaluating significance?
Who is gonna be responsible to draw a line? Was CoCa match-fixing or not? Should tournament organizers decide for themselves if it is appropiate to conform to the rules they have set up?
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On December 16 2011 05:05 Eee wrote:
They should appologize to Naniwa to IMO
LOL and we should congrat Nani for his manners...
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On December 16 2011 12:47 rotegirte wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 12:42 lOvRyooMak wrote:On December 16 2011 12:15 rotegirte wrote:On December 16 2011 12:08 hunts wrote:On December 16 2011 10:53 lOvRyooMak wrote:Hi im a korean living in korea.. I regularly visit korean sites playxp and thisisgame for sc2 There seems to be a lot of misscommunication and confusion overseas I dont see what the fuss is about regarding the format change To be exact the new 2012 gsl format was announced at night dec10th korean time, the night before the start of the blizzard Cup. So what if the format was changed before or after the blizzard cup? The gsl format was always changed every one or two seasons for improvement I remember seeing reactions by people here on TL - i like the new GSL Format! But i dont like the new GSTL format.. Etc Regarding the code S seeding change... As the MLG also clearly stated it is in all gomtv's right to change seeding however they please. Why can't you see that the seeding change was meant to give international players more opportunity in the GSL? The previous seeding would give the seed to the top placed players in the mlg regardless if it were a korean or not. Instead they decided to nominate top international players as candidates for the two seed spots, and the judges would select two probably based on various criteria. i.e personal reasons- not every player may wish to come play in korea. In this case as mentioned in gomtv's latest post sen.idra and naniwa were selected as candidates. But due to naniwa's conduct in the blizzard cup they decided to give it to sen and idra. The nominees and criteria were not announced prior to the decision because the criteria was probably not decided yet! Naniwa's misbehaviour made the decision easier for gom IMO. You have to understand that the gsl is still experimental. Gomtv knows there is room for improvement here and there and is constantly trying to change and develop their league. Making announcements before the system were solidified and decisions were made would make an even bigger confusion and possible shitstorm if it were changed everday. Yes it would be nice if gomtv could just post here on TL and explain ever little thing that is going on what they are discussing and wanting to change. But as you might have noticed the people at gomtv are not that good at english and there can only be misinterpretations here and there. I have been to the gomtv studio many times and what you must understand is that it is quite smaller than you may think. In fact its tiny compared to competitions like mlg or dreamhack. The whole gomtv staff only number about 20people. There are only limitations to what these 20people can do at omce. They cant be everywhere answering all questions here and there and making decisions at once. What i would really like to say is there is always a perfectly good explanation to everything.. Otherwise the korean community would have a bigger shitstorm. The last thing koreans want is something like kespa. instead of making blunt observations on misscommunication and Misinterpretations perhaps wait for a proper announcement by gom or maybe help on a better translation on korean articles before making a shitstorm out of nothing Thank you very much for that. Quoting it in hopes more people read it, it's a very well written post with many good points. I really wish more people would think straight rather than letting their emotions get the better of them and make them completely unreasonable and biased. I think with the naniwa incident GOM got caught between a rock and a hard place. If they did nothing, many of the koreans that were throwing a shitstorm would stop supporting them. If they took action, as you can see a lot of the naniwa fanboys decided to throw a shitstorm and stop supporting them. In the end as they are a korean based organization and there are far more koreans outraged at naniwas actions than there are nanniwa fans outraged at GOMs actions, I think they did the right thing both morally and for business purposes. I do wish things could've been a bit clearer as to what happened with the GSL/MLG exchange program with providennce, but I think it's starting to make sense now, I just wish more people would take the time to read up on what happened and try to understand it rather than coming here and flaming GOM without even reading the facts. It has little to do with "misunderstanding". When they want to punish NaNiwa, just say it as it is. "What NaNiwa did was wrong, he gets no Code S seed, period." Fanboys would be raging no matter what. Instead they climbed into a time machine and said "Remember the rules you agreed to and played under back in November in Providence? Right, forget them. We are changing the rules now, a month after the tournament finished". You don't do that- you could even call it fraud. Have you ever supported any other tournament to go call one of their previous winners and say "The money you should recieve for your last win, actually we now think you should only get half of it". What im saying is yes his prize was change The prize was changed because the seed format was chamged. Im only pointing out there is a good reason for the change-to give more opportunities It is a sacrifice naniwa was forced to make for the good of the gsl. Naniwa should be well credited for it. The change in seed format had nothing to do with blizzcup, naniwa and quantic have accepted it. Fans of naniwa can be angry.. But it wont change anything. Naniwa still had a chance for the code S seed being a candidate but gom eliminated Him from the candidate list due to blizzcup. End of story You can be angry as you like at gom for changing his prize and or taking his candidate position But im just pointing out it was an optimal decision for the tournament itself Please take your time and re-read my posts. Especially the long one. No one here discusses the change. It is a whole different matter. Many in TL actually find the new format really good, or at least a good improvement. It also doesn't matter whether NaNiwa get's Code S or not. I think you deliberately skipped 99% of my posts. Because that's another thing I had to repeat over and over. It is about changing rules afterwards. Imagine a test in school. Your teacher tells you: "draw a house". One week later he gives you the results of the test. And says: "By the way, I changed the rules of the test. The new goal is to draw a horse. You have 0 points, enjoy" What I am saying is, they can change their format. Just tell others about it before the tournament. And not after.
Yes it is goms fault they didnt announce earlier. I just want to help explain why this happened
In my original post.. They have a limited number of people working there.. Decisions
May come to close slowly over there.. The reason why they didnt announce earlier is because the decisions
For the 2012 gsl were not final when the mlg started. Gom was shortsighted in making this change abruptly if anything they are to apologize.. But im just saying it wasnt their intention to pick
On naniwa or do anything damaging intentionally
And certainly no "conspiracies" of such
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rote, you shoulda just quoted my post instead of making an analogy. :p
Basically,
1. GOM does not notify that they are changing the rules of code S.
2. MLG, and foreign fans, and Naniwa and other players are under the impression top 3 of non-code S at providence will get code S spot.
3. GOM says this is not true and that Naniwa was only in consideration, in their recently released statement. Thus, retrospectively changing the rules.
This is unprofessional to change the rules after the fact BECAUSE they didn't notify MLG (whom they have a partnership with) and the foreign fans, and the players who were all under the impression that Naniwa had a code S spot.
If we are going to get on Naniwa's case for being unprofessional, EVERYONE should ALSO be getting on GOM's case for being unprofessional by retroactively changing their own rules without notifying anyone.
It's airtight logic. There's no way anyone should be arguing the opposite side.
edit:
Note that changing the rules is fine. Notifying MLG, the fans, etc. of the changed rules IS professional and fine. The fact that they did not do this, and then came out with a statement that is contrary WITHOUT TELLING US THEY CHANGED THE RULES is blatantly unprofessional.
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On December 16 2011 12:52 rotegirte wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 12:50 jinorazi wrote:On December 16 2011 12:47 rotegirte wrote:On December 16 2011 12:42 lOvRyooMak wrote:On December 16 2011 12:15 rotegirte wrote:On December 16 2011 12:08 hunts wrote:On December 16 2011 10:53 lOvRyooMak wrote:Hi im a korean living in korea.. I regularly visit korean sites playxp and thisisgame for sc2 There seems to be a lot of misscommunication and confusion overseas I dont see what the fuss is about regarding the format change To be exact the new 2012 gsl format was announced at night dec10th korean time, the night before the start of the blizzard Cup. So what if the format was changed before or after the blizzard cup? The gsl format was always changed every one or two seasons for improvement I remember seeing reactions by people here on TL - i like the new GSL Format! But i dont like the new GSTL format.. Etc Regarding the code S seeding change... As the MLG also clearly stated it is in all gomtv's right to change seeding however they please. Why can't you see that the seeding change was meant to give international players more opportunity in the GSL? The previous seeding would give the seed to the top placed players in the mlg regardless if it were a korean or not. Instead they decided to nominate top international players as candidates for the two seed spots, and the judges would select two probably based on various criteria. i.e personal reasons- not every player may wish to come play in korea. In this case as mentioned in gomtv's latest post sen.idra and naniwa were selected as candidates. But due to naniwa's conduct in the blizzard cup they decided to give it to sen and idra. The nominees and criteria were not announced prior to the decision because the criteria was probably not decided yet! Naniwa's misbehaviour made the decision easier for gom IMO. You have to understand that the gsl is still experimental. Gomtv knows there is room for improvement here and there and is constantly trying to change and develop their league. Making announcements before the system were solidified and decisions were made would make an even bigger confusion and possible shitstorm if it were changed everday. Yes it would be nice if gomtv could just post here on TL and explain ever little thing that is going on what they are discussing and wanting to change. But as you might have noticed the people at gomtv are not that good at english and there can only be misinterpretations here and there. I have been to the gomtv studio many times and what you must understand is that it is quite smaller than you may think. In fact its tiny compared to competitions like mlg or dreamhack. The whole gomtv staff only number about 20people. There are only limitations to what these 20people can do at omce. They cant be everywhere answering all questions here and there and making decisions at once. What i would really like to say is there is always a perfectly good explanation to everything.. Otherwise the korean community would have a bigger shitstorm. The last thing koreans want is something like kespa. instead of making blunt observations on misscommunication and Misinterpretations perhaps wait for a proper announcement by gom or maybe help on a better translation on korean articles before making a shitstorm out of nothing Thank you very much for that. Quoting it in hopes more people read it, it's a very well written post with many good points. I really wish more people would think straight rather than letting their emotions get the better of them and make them completely unreasonable and biased. I think with the naniwa incident GOM got caught between a rock and a hard place. If they did nothing, many of the koreans that were throwing a shitstorm would stop supporting them. If they took action, as you can see a lot of the naniwa fanboys decided to throw a shitstorm and stop supporting them. In the end as they are a korean based organization and there are far more koreans outraged at naniwas actions than there are nanniwa fans outraged at GOMs actions, I think they did the right thing both morally and for business purposes. I do wish things could've been a bit clearer as to what happened with the GSL/MLG exchange program with providennce, but I think it's starting to make sense now, I just wish more people would take the time to read up on what happened and try to understand it rather than coming here and flaming GOM without even reading the facts. It has little to do with "misunderstanding". When they want to punish NaNiwa, just say it as it is. "What NaNiwa did was wrong, he gets no Code S seed, period." Fanboys would be raging no matter what. Instead they climbed into a time machine and said "Remember the rules you agreed to and played under back in November in Providence? Right, forget them. We are changing the rules now, a month after the tournament finished". You don't do that- you could even call it fraud. Have you ever supported any other tournament to go call one of their previous winners and say "The money you should recieve for your last win, actually we now think you should only get half of it". What im saying is yes his prize was change The prize was changed because the seed format was chamged. Im only pointing out there is a good reason for the change-to give more opportunities It is a sacrifice naniwa was forced to make for the good of the gsl. Naniwa should be well credited for it. The change in seed format had nothing to do with blizzcup, naniwa and quantic have accepted it. Fans of naniwa can be angry.. But it wont change anything. Naniwa still had a chance for the code S seed being a candidate but gom eliminated Him from the candidate list due to blizzcup. End of story You can be angry as you like at gom for changing his prize and or taking his candidate position But im just pointing out it was an optimal decision for the tournament itself Please take your time and re-read my posts. Especially the long one. No one here discusses the change. It is a whole different matter. Many in TL actually find the new format really good, or at least a good improvement. It also doesn't matter whether NaNiwa get's Code S or not. I think you deliberately skipped 99% of my posts. Because that's another thing I had to repeat over and over. It is about changing rules afterwards. Imagine a test in school. Your teacher tells you: "draw a house". One week later he gives you the results of the test. And says: "By the way, I changed the rules of the test. The new goal is to draw a horse. You have 0 points, enjoy" What I am saying is, they can change their format. Just tell others about it before the tournament. And not after. i think you're making it a bigger deal than it actually is. especially when people are connecting it with naniwa. you're making it like they actually changed the prize pool, which would be significant but its not the same. So rewards to player performance in tournaments should be generally held subject to change, and tournament organizer's judgement will suffice on evaluating significance?
depending on the situation, yes. in this case, the change was for the better. according earlier post, blizzard cup's seeding changed after blizzard cup's announcement (this was for the better also), where was everyone then?
just saying, this is getting extra attention because of naniwa, not because changing rules are evil.
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On December 16 2011 12:54 lOvRyooMak wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 12:47 rotegirte wrote:On December 16 2011 12:42 lOvRyooMak wrote:On December 16 2011 12:15 rotegirte wrote:On December 16 2011 12:08 hunts wrote:On December 16 2011 10:53 lOvRyooMak wrote:Hi im a korean living in korea.. I regularly visit korean sites playxp and thisisgame for sc2 There seems to be a lot of misscommunication and confusion overseas I dont see what the fuss is about regarding the format change To be exact the new 2012 gsl format was announced at night dec10th korean time, the night before the start of the blizzard Cup. So what if the format was changed before or after the blizzard cup? The gsl format was always changed every one or two seasons for improvement I remember seeing reactions by people here on TL - i like the new GSL Format! But i dont like the new GSTL format.. Etc Regarding the code S seeding change... As the MLG also clearly stated it is in all gomtv's right to change seeding however they please. Why can't you see that the seeding change was meant to give international players more opportunity in the GSL? The previous seeding would give the seed to the top placed players in the mlg regardless if it were a korean or not. Instead they decided to nominate top international players as candidates for the two seed spots, and the judges would select two probably based on various criteria. i.e personal reasons- not every player may wish to come play in korea. In this case as mentioned in gomtv's latest post sen.idra and naniwa were selected as candidates. But due to naniwa's conduct in the blizzard cup they decided to give it to sen and idra. The nominees and criteria were not announced prior to the decision because the criteria was probably not decided yet! Naniwa's misbehaviour made the decision easier for gom IMO. You have to understand that the gsl is still experimental. Gomtv knows there is room for improvement here and there and is constantly trying to change and develop their league. Making announcements before the system were solidified and decisions were made would make an even bigger confusion and possible shitstorm if it were changed everday. Yes it would be nice if gomtv could just post here on TL and explain ever little thing that is going on what they are discussing and wanting to change. But as you might have noticed the people at gomtv are not that good at english and there can only be misinterpretations here and there. I have been to the gomtv studio many times and what you must understand is that it is quite smaller than you may think. In fact its tiny compared to competitions like mlg or dreamhack. The whole gomtv staff only number about 20people. There are only limitations to what these 20people can do at omce. They cant be everywhere answering all questions here and there and making decisions at once. What i would really like to say is there is always a perfectly good explanation to everything.. Otherwise the korean community would have a bigger shitstorm. The last thing koreans want is something like kespa. instead of making blunt observations on misscommunication and Misinterpretations perhaps wait for a proper announcement by gom or maybe help on a better translation on korean articles before making a shitstorm out of nothing Thank you very much for that. Quoting it in hopes more people read it, it's a very well written post with many good points. I really wish more people would think straight rather than letting their emotions get the better of them and make them completely unreasonable and biased. I think with the naniwa incident GOM got caught between a rock and a hard place. If they did nothing, many of the koreans that were throwing a shitstorm would stop supporting them. If they took action, as you can see a lot of the naniwa fanboys decided to throw a shitstorm and stop supporting them. In the end as they are a korean based organization and there are far more koreans outraged at naniwas actions than there are nanniwa fans outraged at GOMs actions, I think they did the right thing both morally and for business purposes. I do wish things could've been a bit clearer as to what happened with the GSL/MLG exchange program with providennce, but I think it's starting to make sense now, I just wish more people would take the time to read up on what happened and try to understand it rather than coming here and flaming GOM without even reading the facts. It has little to do with "misunderstanding". When they want to punish NaNiwa, just say it as it is. "What NaNiwa did was wrong, he gets no Code S seed, period." Fanboys would be raging no matter what. Instead they climbed into a time machine and said "Remember the rules you agreed to and played under back in November in Providence? Right, forget them. We are changing the rules now, a month after the tournament finished". You don't do that- you could even call it fraud. Have you ever supported any other tournament to go call one of their previous winners and say "The money you should recieve for your last win, actually we now think you should only get half of it". What im saying is yes his prize was change The prize was changed because the seed format was chamged. Im only pointing out there is a good reason for the change-to give more opportunities It is a sacrifice naniwa was forced to make for the good of the gsl. Naniwa should be well credited for it. The change in seed format had nothing to do with blizzcup, naniwa and quantic have accepted it. Fans of naniwa can be angry.. But it wont change anything. Naniwa still had a chance for the code S seed being a candidate but gom eliminated Him from the candidate list due to blizzcup. End of story You can be angry as you like at gom for changing his prize and or taking his candidate position But im just pointing out it was an optimal decision for the tournament itself Please take your time and re-read my posts. Especially the long one. No one here discusses the change. It is a whole different matter. Many in TL actually find the new format really good, or at least a good improvement. It also doesn't matter whether NaNiwa get's Code S or not. I think you deliberately skipped 99% of my posts. Because that's another thing I had to repeat over and over. It is about changing rules afterwards. Imagine a test in school. Your teacher tells you: "draw a house". One week later he gives you the results of the test. And says: "By the way, I changed the rules of the test. The new goal is to draw a horse. You have 0 points, enjoy" What I am saying is, they can change their format. Just tell others about it before the tournament. And not after. Yes it is goms fault they didnt announce earlier. I just want to help explain why this happened In my original post.. They have a limited number of people working there.. Decisions May come to close slowly over there.. The reason why they didnt announce earlier is because the decisions For the 2012 gsl were not final when the mlg started. Gom was shortsighted in making this change abruptly if anything they are to apologize.. But im just saying it wasnt their intention to pick On naniwa or do anything damaging intentionally And certainly no "conspiracies" of such
Well then we have no disagreement 
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On December 16 2011 12:54 eshlow wrote:
rote, you shoulda just quoted my post instead of making an analogy. :p
Basically,
1. GOM does not notify that they are changing the rules of code S.
2. MLG, and foreign fans, and Naniwa and other players are under the impression top 3 of non-code S at providence will get code S spot.
3. GOM says this is not true and that Naniwa was only in consideration, in their recently released statement. Thus, retrospectively changing the rules.
This is unprofessional to change the rules after the fact BECAUSE they didn't notify MLG (whom they have a partnership with) and the foreign fans, and the players who were all under the impression that Naniwa had a code S spot.
If we are going to get on Naniwa's case for being unprofessional, EVERYONE should ALSO be getting on GOM's case for being unprofessional by retroactively changing their own rules without notifying anyone.
It's airtight logic. There's no way anyone should be arguing the opposite side.
edit:
Note that changing the rules is fine. Notifying MLG, the fans, etc. of the changed rules IS professional and fine. The fact that they did not do this, and then came out with a statement that is contrary WITHOUT TELLING US THEY CHANGED THE RULES is blatantly unprofessional.
its been done before, where was the fuss then?
no need to answer, just saying. but a few posts this page and last page seems to sum up the situation well. there's really no need for hate and pointing fingers and blaming someone.
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On December 16 2011 12:59 jinorazi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 12:54 eshlow wrote:
rote, you shoulda just quoted my post instead of making an analogy. :p
Basically,
1. GOM does not notify that they are changing the rules of code S.
2. MLG, and foreign fans, and Naniwa and other players are under the impression top 3 of non-code S at providence will get code S spot.
3. GOM says this is not true and that Naniwa was only in consideration, in their recently released statement. Thus, retrospectively changing the rules.
This is unprofessional to change the rules after the fact BECAUSE they didn't notify MLG (whom they have a partnership with) and the foreign fans, and the players who were all under the impression that Naniwa had a code S spot.
If we are going to get on Naniwa's case for being unprofessional, EVERYONE should ALSO be getting on GOM's case for being unprofessional by retroactively changing their own rules without notifying anyone.
It's airtight logic. There's no way anyone should be arguing the opposite side.
edit:
Note that changing the rules is fine. Notifying MLG, the fans, etc. of the changed rules IS professional and fine. The fact that they did not do this, and then came out with a statement that is contrary WITHOUT TELLING US THEY CHANGED THE RULES is blatantly unprofessional. its been done before, where was the fuss then? no need to answer, just saying. but a few posts this page and last page seems to sum up the situation well. there's really no need for hate and pointing fingers and blaming someone.
People have thrown games before. Where's the fuss then?
The fact is if we are going to hold Naniwa to a professional standard here, then anything to do with the current situation in regards to his being labeled "unprofessional" then the accusers (in this case GOM) should not be unprofessional in their actions either.
No one likes hypocrites.
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I think this whole thing negatively effects GOM more than it does any other party involved. Funny how things work out huh? Oh well we will all forget about it soon. Just hope this doesn't happen again it's never a positive thing.
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On December 16 2011 12:54 eshlow wrote:
rote, you shoulda just quoted my post instead of making an analogy. :p
Basically,
1. GOM does not notify that they are changing the rules of code S.
2. MLG, and foreign fans, and Naniwa and other players are under the impression top 3 of non-code S at providence will get code S spot.
3. GOM says this is not true and that Naniwa was only in consideration, in their recently released statement. Thus, retrospectively changing the rules.
This is unprofessional to change the rules after the fact BECAUSE they didn't notify MLG (whom they have a partnership with) and the foreign fans, and the players who were all under the impression that Naniwa had a code S spot.
If we are going to get on Naniwa's case for being unprofessional, EVERYONE should ALSO be getting on GOM's case for being unprofessional by retroactively changing their own rules without notifying anyone.
It's airtight logic. There's no way anyone should be arguing the opposite side.
edit:
Note that changing the rules is fine. Notifying MLG, the fans, etc. of the changed rules IS professional and fine. The fact that they did not do this, and then came out with a statement that is contrary WITHOUT TELLING US THEY CHANGED THE RULES is blatantly unprofessional.
Why aren't GOM being called out on this more rigorously? I feel like they've treated the first (and only) foreigner to actually "win" a Code S seed from MLG really unfairly here. This just feels like GOM urinating over the international SC2 scene. I mean even now several months into the League Exchange Program, the GSL may as well be called the KSL (although that name has been taken already by a small league made up of 8 Korean teams)
In fact, I think Sundance is being far too lenient upon GOMTV for fabricating new rules and applying them retroactively to players who won seeds fairly and squarely. Sure, it's not exactly their business on how the GSL conducts its business but
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