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m0ck
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
4194 Posts
December 16 2011 01:22 GMT
#641
On December 16 2011 10:07 SnoLys wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2011 09:39 Fungal Growth wrote:
Here's the thing...I don't think GOM is worried too much about losing subscribers...more so about sponsors. Guess who on of MLG's biggest sponsor is? Ericsson. Guess where Ericsson is based out of? Sweden. Do you think a a large corporation like Ericsson would want to support GOM after it has enraged so many Swedish fans? (who by my unscientific estimate are some of the most vocal about Gom's time traveling rules) If these big corporations get word that their favorite demographic is upset with their advertising platform they could very well pull the plug.


Guess the main sponsor of GSL, Sony Ericsson!

[image loading]

Nicely done! Yet another twist on the story.
Tortious_Tortoise
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States944 Posts
December 16 2011 01:23 GMT
#642
Not a fan of GOM atm. I wish they would just admit that they fucked up.
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PraetorianX
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden780 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-16 01:24:31
December 16 2011 01:24 GMT
#643
The only hero in this story is Naniwa.
The best argument against democracy is a 5-minute conversation with the average voter - Winston Churchill
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
December 16 2011 01:24 GMT
#644
On December 16 2011 10:22 m0ck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2011 10:07 SnoLys wrote:
On December 16 2011 09:39 Fungal Growth wrote:
Here's the thing...I don't think GOM is worried too much about losing subscribers...more so about sponsors. Guess who on of MLG's biggest sponsor is? Ericsson. Guess where Ericsson is based out of? Sweden. Do you think a a large corporation like Ericsson would want to support GOM after it has enraged so many Swedish fans? (who by my unscientific estimate are some of the most vocal about Gom's time traveling rules) If these big corporations get word that their favorite demographic is upset with their advertising platform they could very well pull the plug.


Guess the main sponsor of GSL, Sony Ericsson!

[image loading]

Nicely done! Yet another twist on the story.

And the plot grows thicker....

Watch 10 years from now, there is gunna be a movie based on this shitstorm!
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Piledriver
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1697 Posts
December 16 2011 01:27 GMT
#645
On December 16 2011 10:24 PraetorianX wrote:
The only hero in this story is Naniwa.



Lol, really? The root cause of all the problems somehow becomes the hero.
Envy fan since NTH.
Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11607 Posts
December 16 2011 01:28 GMT
#646
So... given that this was a MLG-GOMtv player exchange program, can MLG unilaterally decide the day the Koreans arrive the US that they are no longer going to be seeded directly into the top play, but instead all will have to go through the open brackets? Code S is a lot more meaningful then MLG seeds, but it still is an exchange and apparently an exchange that where MLG accepts Korean directs seeds and in return find out after the fact where their own winners go.
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dacimvrl
Profile Joined December 2011
Vatican City State582 Posts
December 16 2011 01:30 GMT
#647
On December 16 2011 10:24 PraetorianX wrote:
The only hero in this story is Naniwa.


Not a fan of his and i would not gonna go so far as to calling him a hero, but what GOM has done is morally wrong. There's no other way to put it.

Thing is, if the involved parties don't care enough to take any legal/proper action, there isn't much the crowd can do besides pointing fingers and denouncing the party at fault and boycotting further subscription..etc. Realistically, I never paid to watch GSL and never will after this scandal. The supposed HD quality is just less than stellar compared to others.
masakenji
Profile Joined November 2011
Australia415 Posts
December 16 2011 01:30 GMT
#648
gomtv, next time just permanent ban people instead of making technicalities.
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
December 16 2011 01:31 GMT
#649
On December 16 2011 10:09 xxgeffxx wrote:
So naniwa is wrong but technically didn't violate any rules and gom is wrong but technically didn't violate any rules either?

More like naniwa is wrong but technically didn't violate any rules and gom is right but technically did violate some rules :D
SomeRandomPerson
Profile Joined November 2011
2 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-16 01:35:57
December 16 2011 01:32 GMT
#650
On December 16 2011 10:22 m0ck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2011 10:07 SnoLys wrote:
On December 16 2011 09:39 Fungal Growth wrote:
Here's the thing...I don't think GOM is worried too much about losing subscribers...more so about sponsors. Guess who on of MLG's biggest sponsor is? Ericsson. Guess where Ericsson is based out of? Sweden. Do you think a a large corporation like Ericsson would want to support GOM after it has enraged so many Swedish fans? (who by my unscientific estimate are some of the most vocal about Gom's time traveling rules) If these big corporations get word that their favorite demographic is upset with their advertising platform they could very well pull the plug.


Guess the main sponsor of GSL, Sony Ericsson!

[image loading]

Nicely done! Yet another twist on the story.


As a first post on TL.

I doubt that Sony Ericsson will have any kind of impact on this story for the simple reason that they will be fully owned by the Sony Corporation from the first of Januray 2012. Now they might distance themselves from Gom (Though I highly doubt it, especially w.r.t. this mess), but the only reason from a Sweden-centric p.o.v. to do so is that they are a popular brand in Sweden and there is a backlash - if there even would be a backlash, that is. Officially they will not be "Swedish" at all from said date. Well that's not entirely true since they have a large part of their product development in Sweden, Lund.

Also to make an important distinction: The sponsors are Sony Ericsson, not Ericsson. While Ericsson owns (owned*) half of them.
wha..?
Krymming
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden38 Posts
December 16 2011 01:32 GMT
#651
So much for honor and professionalism... Let's just hope everything gets sorted out without doing too much collateral damage.
No excuses, play like a champion
Mycl
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia1370 Posts
December 16 2011 01:33 GMT
#652
I am pretty sure early on Gom decided to give Nani a Code S spot for the next tournament so in reality this change gave him 2 seeds in the one prize. Got the invite to the Blizz Cup and an almost guaranteed sponsored seed into Code S. In the end if Nani didn't go full retard he would be in Code S so this is a mute point.
PraetorianX
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden780 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-16 01:41:34
December 16 2011 01:34 GMT
#653
On December 16 2011 10:07 SnoLys wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2011 09:39 Fungal Growth wrote:
Here's the thing...I don't think GOM is worried too much about losing subscribers...more so about sponsors. Guess who on of MLG's biggest sponsor is? Ericsson. Guess where Ericsson is based out of? Sweden. Do you think a a large corporation like Ericsson would want to support GOM after it has enraged so many Swedish fans? (who by my unscientific estimate are some of the most vocal about Gom's time traveling rules) If these big corporations get word that their favorite demographic is upset with their advertising platform they could very well pull the plug.


Guess the main sponsor of GSL, Sony Ericsson!

[image loading]


Yes, I have already E-mailed Sony Ericsson expressing my outrage as a customer that they sponsor GSL after this disrespectful scandal and I know more people are doing the same.

In this video you can see how badly the Koreans treat Naniwa. At 3:00, John the Translator gets pretty confrontive and during the rest of the clip the Koreans can be seen laughing behind Naniwa's back. The korean players seem to get very abusive and angry when Naniwa says this is just another tournament. The actual questions are very poorly formulated and John the translator is talking very queitly. Also John doesn't even bother to translate 90% of the Korean stuff being said, so the foreigners have no idea what's going on. Clearly this is what provoked this whole episode.

The best argument against democracy is a 5-minute conversation with the average voter - Winston Churchill
Catatonic
Profile Joined August 2011
United States699 Posts
December 16 2011 01:35 GMT
#654
On December 16 2011 08:16 Deimos0 wrote:
It all is simple - Naniwa, Sen and Idra were considered for the Code S invite. None of them could be sure of their spot until GOM actually gave them the seed. So Naniwa was just an option for GOM. Game with Nestea just eliminated Naniwa from Code S invite consideration - that's all.

EDIT: kind of ninja'd by the guy above me

Except that when the league exchange program was set up it was known as fact that the winner would get a code S spot. But now for some reason only known to GOM an never spoken of to ta MLG Nani dosnt have a code s seed anymore an the structure of the program has been completely changed all without a word being even mentioned to MLG. GOM as an organization changed the rules without any talk to it's business partners which is extreamly unprofessional which is actually what they blamed Nani of being. Which not only makes them untrustworthy business partners but also extream hypocrites. Also the sheer fact that Coca (I believe it was Coca) called Nani a bastard an such makes him far more a hypocrite cause who was it that was match fixing? Oh right fucking Coca so he needs to just shut the fuck up.
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Dazer
Profile Joined September 2010
239 Posts
December 16 2011 01:35 GMT
#655
Only thing I'd like to add is how awesome Sundance is.

Willing to compromise the partnership between MLG and GOM for truth and transparency.

Yo Sunny, you're the baws
Jellikit
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden258 Posts
December 16 2011 01:39 GMT
#656
On December 16 2011 10:22 m0ck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2011 10:07 SnoLys wrote:
On December 16 2011 09:39 Fungal Growth wrote:
Here's the thing...I don't think GOM is worried too much about losing subscribers...more so about sponsors. Guess who on of MLG's biggest sponsor is? Ericsson. Guess where Ericsson is based out of? Sweden. Do you think a a large corporation like Ericsson would want to support GOM after it has enraged so many Swedish fans? (who by my unscientific estimate are some of the most vocal about Gom's time traveling rules) If these big corporations get word that their favorite demographic is upset with their advertising platform they could very well pull the plug.


Guess the main sponsor of GSL, Sony Ericsson!

[image loading]

Nicely done! Yet another twist on the story.
Actually Sony Ericsson is owned by Sony
http://www.swedishwire.com/business/11757-ericsson-sells-stake-in-sony-ericsson-to-sony
Kiyo.
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2284 Posts
December 16 2011 01:39 GMT
#657
On December 16 2011 10:35 Dazer wrote:
Only thing I'd like to add is how awesome Sundance is.

Willing to compromise the partnership between MLG and GOM for truth and transparency.

Yo Sunny, you're the baws


Not enough people are actually noting this. I really expected MLG to just ignore this and hope for it to go away because they'd rather not get in the middle of it. But thankfully Sundance and MLG are awesome and made a statement when asked for one.
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jinorazi
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)4948 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-16 01:42:49
December 16 2011 01:39 GMT
#658
On December 16 2011 10:12 rotegirte wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2011 09:57 Ercster wrote:
Unfortunately, the change was made without notification to MLG, but it is within GSL's jurisdiction to adjust placement.



Since some people don't understand what this means, due to the blatant ignorance in some of the posts, I will explain it to you. This is saying the while MLG didn't know that GOM was going to give Naniwa a spot in the Blizzard Cup instead of code S because of the 2012 format change, it was GOM's choice to do so. The contract didn't state that this was going to happen, but it allowed GOM to change it if they wanted to.
I hope this cleared a lot of things up, and I hope people will stop posting without actually knowing what the OP said or meant.


And what people like you don't understand is that tournaments are not only a matter between organizing parties, being MLG and GOM. There is a third party called players.

GOM is well within their rights to choose whoever they want for Code S, and how the process goes. MLG and GOM are well within their right to negotiate whatever agreement, allowing any side any degree of freedom they seem fit for their business relationship. However, when you are changing tournament prizes, you do that before the event, not after.

I always thought that to be a simple rule.


lets say naniwa was indeed selected (probably was 1st choice anyways) but after the fiasco, it was revoked.

what gom did still makes no difference. if naniwa situation didn't happen, he would be playing in jan. gsl most likely.
gom changing it would have made no impact on their jan. gsl invitation.

it seems like people are nitpicking on gom's change in rules with the new format change. perhaps they should have worded it better, as in "naniwa's invation was revoked" instead of "naniwa's actions removed him from consideration list".

whatever the case, naniwa made this change happen. his invitation was revoked, he can still play like any other competitor without an invitation. good luck to him so he can compete in code s in feb.
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wklbishop
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1286 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-16 01:41:47
December 16 2011 01:40 GMT
#659
On December 16 2011 10:34 PraetorianX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2011 10:07 SnoLys wrote:
On December 16 2011 09:39 Fungal Growth wrote:
Here's the thing...I don't think GOM is worried too much about losing subscribers...more so about sponsors. Guess who on of MLG's biggest sponsor is? Ericsson. Guess where Ericsson is based out of? Sweden. Do you think a a large corporation like Ericsson would want to support GOM after it has enraged so many Swedish fans? (who by my unscientific estimate are some of the most vocal about Gom's time traveling rules) If these big corporations get word that their favorite demographic is upset with their advertising platform they could very well pull the plug.


Guess the main sponsor of GSL, Sony Ericsson!

[image loading]


Yes, I have already E-mailed Sony Ericsson expressing my outrage as a customer that they sponsor GSL after this disrespectful scandal and I know more people are doing the same.

In this video you can see how badly the Koreans treat Naniwa. At 3:00, John the Translator gets pretty confrontive and during the rest of the clip the Koreans can be seen laughing behind Naniwa's back and insulting him in Korean. The actual questions are very poorly formulated and John the translator is talking very queitly. Also John doesn't even bother to translate 90% of the Korean stuff being said, so the foreigners have no idea what's going on. Clearly this is what provoked this whole episode


Do you actually speak Korean?

EDIT: This isn't meant to be a retort, I'm seriously asking.
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narkissos
Profile Joined December 2011
198 Posts
December 16 2011 01:43 GMT
#660
On December 16 2011 10:03 narkissos wrote:
Wow great statement by MLG really clears things up.

Although as a law student I have to say that I´m a bit surprised that they had entered a contract which could unilaterally be changed by one party. As I think most have guessed this is not exactly the norm and can in some places even be grounds for declaring a contract null and void. On the other hand there are of course situations were it can be perfectly reasonable with this types of contracts. And luckily for MLG this time it worked out very well for them. If GOM hadn´t had the right to change the contract unilaterally people might have thought that they had a responsibility to pursue legal actions against a valued business partner that has helped them provide the most competitive SC2 tournament in the west on behalf of a player they probably don´t like very much. Would have put them in kind of an iffy spot. It of course also makes it clear why they was under the impression that Naniwa had received a code S spot just a miscommunicationf rom GOM:s part.

Funny how things can work out



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