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On December 16 2011 07:36 LorDo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 07:10 Bluemagic2121 wrote:
They just didn't communicate to MLG about change in Seeding spot, that is all.
and this whatever change Gom happened just about a month after the Providence, so change happened before Blizzard cup.
and what I don't understand from a couple of people out there keep saying Gom did dirty work and what not,
Did they take away code S spot for no reason? you think they just took it away from naniwa for no reason?
THEY DID NOT CHANGE THE RULE BECAUSE OF CHILDISH ACT OF NANIWA but coincidentally the change for 2012 was ALREADY MADE, even thought a lot of you out there sees or feels like the change was made on the next day after Naniwa's act.
And also like MLG said, the power is in Gom's hand, not from MLG. WITH THE NEW RULE MADE BEFORE BLIZZ CUP,
Gom was to GIVE code S spot as A GIFT, but Naniwa with CHILDish ACT BLEW IT AWAY, this. why is this so hard to understand?????????????????????
ABOVE im just saying as in facts,
now below is my opinion.
ALSO in Providence, Naniwa only won 3 Matches, 3 Matches to get into the final. because of some type seeding system which MLG has that I can not understand.
I was actually expecting the same format just like any other MLG, from pool game and on.
GUYS, 3 Matches to get into the final, JUST 3 Matches. and also he only had to win 2 GAMES! whereas leenock had to win 4.
and with Naniwa's history in code A, where he never passed above round 16 or 32, whichever is the lowest, is 0-10 or something.
in my opinion, the rule change Gom, even though it was last minute change and happened before blizz cup, was REALLY GOOD.
becuase Naniwa is no where near, in skill wise, to compete in Code S
Could you provide sources for your "facts" since "the new rule made before blizz cup" (in all caps) wasn't made public until after said cup, therefore one might think it was because what happened in the cup that triggered this response from GOM.
http://www.gomtv.net/forum/view.gom?topicid=208740&cid=0&kind=8
http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?id=940944&board=0&category=13438&subcategory=&page=4&best=&searchmode=title&search=&orderby=&token=
watch the date of both article
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On December 16 2011 07:35 Kieofire wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 07:33 slicknav wrote:
Didn't Naniwa say on LO3 that MLG admins told him he earned Code S spot? Yes, but GOM never told him he got the Code S spot.
If thats the case than both MLG and GOM are at fault. MLG go their facts wrong, GOM didn't tell anyone anything. Not like any of this shit that happened a month ago matters. Naniwa probably would've been punished regardless.
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On December 16 2011 07:35 taLbuk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 07:33 Treemonkeys wrote:
One thing I think is clear is that gomtv was going to punish Naniwa regardless of how he got into code S. Regardless of if he earned it, it is still their right to decide he does not meet their standards. The fact that this has become part of the code S seeding confusion might just be a really unfortunate mis-communication at the worst possible time. I agree, but the problem is Gom didn't say they were taking his code S spot away, they were saying they were taking his CONSIDERATION for a code S spot away. They said it that way to make it seem less sever, which is does, but the problem is we were all under the assumption Naniwa had earned his code S spot.
I just think it's a really unfortunate mess, we already know GSL was changing quite a bit in 2012. We already knew that providence was not in time for 2011 GSL. Seems like the ball was dropped in terms of how to transition into 2012 with the new format and neither side put in the effort they should have to clear this up before this all happened. I hold them both equally accountable at this point, but I am also trying to separate it from Naniwa.
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On December 16 2011 07:36 LorDo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 07:10 Bluemagic2121 wrote:
They just didn't communicate to MLG about change in Seeding spot, that is all.
and this whatever change Gom happened just about a month after the Providence, so change happened before Blizzard cup.
and what I don't understand from a couple of people out there keep saying Gom did dirty work and what not,
Did they take away code S spot for no reason? you think they just took it away from naniwa for no reason?
THEY DID NOT CHANGE THE RULE BECAUSE OF CHILDISH ACT OF NANIWA but coincidentally the change for 2012 was ALREADY MADE, even thought a lot of you out there sees or feels like the change was made on the next day after Naniwa's act.
And also like MLG said, the power is in Gom's hand, not from MLG. WITH THE NEW RULE MADE BEFORE BLIZZ CUP,
Gom was to GIVE code S spot as A GIFT, but Naniwa with CHILDish ACT BLEW IT AWAY, this. why is this so hard to understand?????????????????????
ABOVE im just saying as in facts,
now below is my opinion.
ALSO in Providence, Naniwa only won 3 Matches, 3 Matches to get into the final. because of some type seeding system which MLG has that I can not understand.
I was actually expecting the same format just like any other MLG, from pool game and on.
GUYS, 3 Matches to get into the final, JUST 3 Matches. and also he only had to win 2 GAMES! whereas leenock had to win 4.
and with Naniwa's history in code A, where he never passed above round 16 or 32, whichever is the lowest, is 0-10 or something.
in my opinion, the rule change Gom, even though it was last minute change and happened before blizz cup, was REALLY GOOD.
becuase Naniwa is no where near, in skill wise, to compete in Code S
Could you provide sources for your "facts" since "the new rule made before blizz cup" (in all caps) wasn't made public until after said cup, therefore one might think it was because what happened in the cup that triggered this response from GOM.
source is when they announced the new format for 2012 GSL, which of course had this changed along with it.
you can search and check the date if you want.
though I do understand that you find "when exactly this changed occured" suspicious,
you are Swedish, no way im talking to biased person 
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On December 16 2011 07:39 slicknav wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 07:35 Kieofire wrote:On December 16 2011 07:33 slicknav wrote:
Didn't Naniwa say on LO3 that MLG admins told him he earned Code S spot? Yes, but GOM never told him he got the Code S spot. If thats the case than both MLG and GOM are at fault. MLG go their facts wrong, GOM didn't tell anyone anything. Not like any of this shit that happened a month ago matters. Naniwa probably would've been punished regardless.
MLG got their facts wrong, but how could they get their facts right when their source (GOM) didn't tell them otherwise? Hahaha.
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Instead of Code S spots, GOM gave the two top place finishes entries into Blizzard Cup. It was MLG who advertised it as Code S. Did GOM, at any stage, say that Naniwa was in Code S? I don't think they did (but please correct me if I'm wrong). This is just a simple miscommunication.
It's been clear for a while (BEFORE Naniwa incident) that GOM changed the GSL format for next year, and the fact that the culmination of MLG Providence didn't line up with the new Code S season, as well as the other MLGs did, means it's not surprising that the seeding system changed too.
Also, it's been announced that Idra was told a while ago that he's been given a code S spot, and that the other one MAY (probably would have) have gone to Naniwa, but this incident led them to give the seed to Sen instead. Story adds up to me. GOM are giving two foreigners seeds to code S, and the foreign fanboys still whine crying foul play.
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On December 16 2011 07:37 akalarry wrote:
lost respect for mlg. they make gomtv look like the bad guy for not following the terms of agreement. However, they did not follow their terms by flying/seeding 4 people directly into the championship bracket (there were no pools). If mlg providence doesn't fit the correct tournament structure to uphold both sides of the agreement, why should gomtv seed a player into code s? mlg does not mention this at all.
It was mentioned that MLG did pay for flights of (some) korean players.
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On December 16 2011 07:41 00Visor wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 07:37 akalarry wrote:
lost respect for mlg. they make gomtv look like the bad guy for not following the terms of agreement. However, they did not follow their terms by flying/seeding 4 people directly into the championship bracket (there were no pools). If mlg providence doesn't fit the correct tournament structure to uphold both sides of the agreement, why should gomtv seed a player into code s? mlg does not mention this at all. It was mentioned that MLG did pay for flights of (some) korean players.
yah i'll just do half of the agreement, not acknowledge it, and then blame my partner when he doesn't do his side of the agreemenn.
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On December 16 2011 07:37 Govou wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 07:36 LorDo wrote:On December 16 2011 07:10 Bluemagic2121 wrote:
They just didn't communicate to MLG about change in Seeding spot, that is all.
and this whatever change Gom happened just about a month after the Providence, so change happened before Blizzard cup.
and what I don't understand from a couple of people out there keep saying Gom did dirty work and what not,
Did they take away code S spot for no reason? you think they just took it away from naniwa for no reason?
THEY DID NOT CHANGE THE RULE BECAUSE OF CHILDISH ACT OF NANIWA but coincidentally the change for 2012 was ALREADY MADE, even thought a lot of you out there sees or feels like the change was made on the next day after Naniwa's act.
And also like MLG said, the power is in Gom's hand, not from MLG. WITH THE NEW RULE MADE BEFORE BLIZZ CUP,
Gom was to GIVE code S spot as A GIFT, but Naniwa with CHILDish ACT BLEW IT AWAY, this. why is this so hard to understand?????????????????????
ABOVE im just saying as in facts,
now below is my opinion.
ALSO in Providence, Naniwa only won 3 Matches, 3 Matches to get into the final. because of some type seeding system which MLG has that I can not understand.
I was actually expecting the same format just like any other MLG, from pool game and on.
GUYS, 3 Matches to get into the final, JUST 3 Matches. and also he only had to win 2 GAMES! whereas leenock had to win 4.
and with Naniwa's history in code A, where he never passed above round 16 or 32, whichever is the lowest, is 0-10 or something.
in my opinion, the rule change Gom, even though it was last minute change and happened before blizz cup, was REALLY GOOD.
becuase Naniwa is no where near, in skill wise, to compete in Code S
Could you provide sources for your "facts" since "the new rule made before blizz cup" (in all caps) wasn't made public until after said cup, therefore one might think it was because what happened in the cup that triggered this response from GOM. http://www.gomtv.net/forum/view.gom?topicid=208740&cid=0&kind=8http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?id=940944&board=0&category=13438&subcategory=&page=4&best=&searchmode=title&search=&orderby=&token=watch the date of both article
GOM has other sources on their own site that says he should get a Code S spot. There's nothing there saying "Hey, btw we changed the deal with MLG, Providence winner does NOT get a spot"
The other one is a news-site with question-marks all over it. It says it is unclear if he receives one.
So.. I wouldn't scream about facts when it's actually extremely unclear if they even had a plan that excluded the MLG seed up until 2 days ago.
When your own partner had no idea about the switch you can't really say they've been clear with it.
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this is completely bullshit , the program was for a code s spot! and they change it without even telling mlg or the community?? really,wtf
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On December 16 2011 07:40 babylon wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 07:39 slicknav wrote:On December 16 2011 07:35 Kieofire wrote:On December 16 2011 07:33 slicknav wrote:
Didn't Naniwa say on LO3 that MLG admins told him he earned Code S spot? Yes, but GOM never told him he got the Code S spot. If thats the case than both MLG and GOM are at fault. MLG go their facts wrong, GOM didn't tell anyone anything. Not like any of this shit that happened a month ago matters. Naniwa probably would've been punished regardless. MLG got their facts wrong, but how could they get their facts right when their source (GOM) didn't tell them otherwise? Hahaha.
MLG had ample opportunity to confirm info about Code S seeds when GOM announced the new format.
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On December 16 2011 07:45 Carras wrote:
this is completely bullshit , the program was for a code s spot! and they change it without even telling mlg or the community?? really,wtf
the program was also to fly in 4 players and seed them directly into championship pools.
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On December 16 2011 07:41 00Visor wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 07:37 akalarry wrote:
lost respect for mlg. they make gomtv look like the bad guy for not following the terms of agreement. However, they did not follow their terms by flying/seeding 4 people directly into the championship bracket (there were no pools). If mlg providence doesn't fit the correct tournament structure to uphold both sides of the agreement, why should gomtv seed a player into code s? mlg does not mention this at all. It was mentioned that MLG did pay for flights of (some) korean players.
As much as I'm trying to fight for GOMTV side of things, I haven't lost any respect for MLG. As people are starting to realise and mention all the changes in formats, both providence and GSL 2012, have resulted in this massive miscommunication for both parties, which occurred at an unfortunate time due to this naniwa incident. I don't see how this lowers my respect for MLG except that now they're drawn into the arguing table as to who is responsible for what and to what extend (unintentionally).
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So...
Naniwa: honestly broke an implicit agreement.
GOM: dishonestly broke an implicit agreement.
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On December 16 2011 07:44 LorDo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 07:37 Govou wrote:On December 16 2011 07:36 LorDo wrote:On December 16 2011 07:10 Bluemagic2121 wrote:
They just didn't communicate to MLG about change in Seeding spot, that is all.
and this whatever change Gom happened just about a month after the Providence, so change happened before Blizzard cup.
and what I don't understand from a couple of people out there keep saying Gom did dirty work and what not,
Did they take away code S spot for no reason? you think they just took it away from naniwa for no reason?
THEY DID NOT CHANGE THE RULE BECAUSE OF CHILDISH ACT OF NANIWA but coincidentally the change for 2012 was ALREADY MADE, even thought a lot of you out there sees or feels like the change was made on the next day after Naniwa's act.
And also like MLG said, the power is in Gom's hand, not from MLG. WITH THE NEW RULE MADE BEFORE BLIZZ CUP,
Gom was to GIVE code S spot as A GIFT, but Naniwa with CHILDish ACT BLEW IT AWAY, this. why is this so hard to understand?????????????????????
ABOVE im just saying as in facts,
now below is my opinion.
ALSO in Providence, Naniwa only won 3 Matches, 3 Matches to get into the final. because of some type seeding system which MLG has that I can not understand.
I was actually expecting the same format just like any other MLG, from pool game and on.
GUYS, 3 Matches to get into the final, JUST 3 Matches. and also he only had to win 2 GAMES! whereas leenock had to win 4.
and with Naniwa's history in code A, where he never passed above round 16 or 32, whichever is the lowest, is 0-10 or something.
in my opinion, the rule change Gom, even though it was last minute change and happened before blizz cup, was REALLY GOOD.
becuase Naniwa is no where near, in skill wise, to compete in Code S
Could you provide sources for your "facts" since "the new rule made before blizz cup" (in all caps) wasn't made public until after said cup, therefore one might think it was because what happened in the cup that triggered this response from GOM. http://www.gomtv.net/forum/view.gom?topicid=208740&cid=0&kind=8http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?id=940944&board=0&category=13438&subcategory=&page=4&best=&searchmode=title&search=&orderby=&token=watch the date of both article GOM has other sources on their own site that says he should get a Code S spot. There's nothing there saying "Hey, btw we changed the deal with MLG, Providence winner does NOT get a spot" The other one is a news-site with question-marks all over it. It says it is unclear if he receives one. So.. I wouldn't scream about facts when it's actually extremely unclear if they even had a plan that excluded the MLG seed up until 2 days ago. When your own partner had no idea about the switch you can't really say they've been clear with it.
Source?
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On December 16 2011 07:40 jianming wrote:
Instead of Code S spots, GOM gave the two top place finishes entries into Blizzard Cup. It was MLG who advertised it as Code S. Did GOM, at any stage, say that Naniwa was in Code S? I don't think they did (but please correct me if I'm wrong). This is just a simple miscommunication.
It's been clear for a while (BEFORE Naniwa incident) that GOM changed the GSL format for next year, and the fact that the culmination of MLG Providence didn't line up with the new Code S season, as well as the other MLGs did, means it's not surprising that the seeding system changed too.
Also, it's been announced that Idra was told a while ago that he's been given a code S spot, and that the other one MAY (probably would have) have gone to Naniwa, but this incident led them to give the seed to Sen instead. Story adds up to me. GOM are giving two foreigners seeds to code S, and the foreign fanboys still whine crying foul play.
And this is a problem with GOM. They never ever announce MLG seeds until a couple of days before the tournament. That is why we are always left speculating who the seeds will be and are usually left to figure out how players got their seeds.
See for instance last Code A where Naniwa and Sase were given seeds but it wasn't announced even while the Code A qualifiers were going on. Also it wasn't really transparent how they got the seeds. Obviously it was from MLG, but SaSe did well in an MLG which Naniwa didn't attend, which means GOM are quite flexible in adjusting who gets seeded and when.
I personally think GOM really need to be more transparent and prompt in announcing changes to their seeding system which so far they have not been. One of their biggest flaws IMO.
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It should be an upset GOM had an emotional reaction and showed lack of respect for Foreigners and their culture this effect us all. What they wrote about Nainwa was unacceptable aswel? Calling nainwa a pricehunter when we have Koreans traveling to foreigner events only to collect the money aswel as not speaking one drop of english. Very ironic! NAINWA was inmature it just shock me that GOM choose to travel the road of inmaturity aswel.
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Nice statement by MLG, incredibly unprofessional by GOM. They have all the right to change their format, its their tournament. But all they had to do was let MLG know the code S seed doesn't apply to Providence or even post in their new format topic that there will not be a seed from MLG based on new format. Bad communication here by GOM and very unprofessional, especially after no longer considering Naniwa for being unprofessional...
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Shitstorm imcoming brace urself for the bans
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On December 16 2011 07:47 DeliCiousVP wrote:
It should be an upset GOM had an emotional reaction and showed lack of respect for Foreigners and their culture this effect us all. What they wrote about Nainwa was unacceptable aswel? Calling nainwa a pricehunter when we have Koreans traveling to foreigner events only to collect the money aswel as not speaking one drop of english. Very ironic! NAINWA was inmature it just shock me that GOM choose to travel the road of inmaturity aswel.
You must not have got the memo that what was translated was mistranlated and the person has apologized for the mistanslation.
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