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Who's unprofessional now?
What GOM's been doing is far worse than anything Naniwa's done.
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On December 16 2011 07:40 Bluemagic2121 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 07:36 LorDo wrote:On December 16 2011 07:10 Bluemagic2121 wrote:
They just didn't communicate to MLG about change in Seeding spot, that is all.
and this whatever change Gom happened just about a month after the Providence, so change happened before Blizzard cup.
and what I don't understand from a couple of people out there keep saying Gom did dirty work and what not,
Did they take away code S spot for no reason? you think they just took it away from naniwa for no reason?
THEY DID NOT CHANGE THE RULE BECAUSE OF CHILDISH ACT OF NANIWA but coincidentally the change for 2012 was ALREADY MADE, even thought a lot of you out there sees or feels like the change was made on the next day after Naniwa's act.
And also like MLG said, the power is in Gom's hand, not from MLG. WITH THE NEW RULE MADE BEFORE BLIZZ CUP,
Gom was to GIVE code S spot as A GIFT, but Naniwa with CHILDish ACT BLEW IT AWAY, this. why is this so hard to understand?????????????????????
ABOVE im just saying as in facts,
now below is my opinion.
ALSO in Providence, Naniwa only won 3 Matches, 3 Matches to get into the final. because of some type seeding system which MLG has that I can not understand.
I was actually expecting the same format just like any other MLG, from pool game and on.
GUYS, 3 Matches to get into the final, JUST 3 Matches. and also he only had to win 2 GAMES! whereas leenock had to win 4.
and with Naniwa's history in code A, where he never passed above round 16 or 32, whichever is the lowest, is 0-10 or something.
in my opinion, the rule change Gom, even though it was last minute change and happened before blizz cup, was REALLY GOOD.
becuase Naniwa is no where near, in skill wise, to compete in Code S
Could you provide sources for your "facts" since "the new rule made before blizz cup" (in all caps) wasn't made public until after said cup, therefore one might think it was because what happened in the cup that triggered this response from GOM. source is when they announced the new format for 2012 GSL, which of course had this changed along with it. you can search and check the date if you want. though I do understand that you find "when exactly this changed occured" suspicious, you are Swedish, no way im talking to biased person 
STFU with the biased shit. It doesn't matter, GOM changed something without telling anyone, we don't know when they changed it, at all. Might have been pre Providence, or after Blizz Cup. We don't know.
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On December 16 2011 07:48 Kieofire wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 07:47 DeliCiousVP wrote:
It should be an upset GOM had an emotional reaction and showed lack of respect for Foreigners and their culture this effect us all. What they wrote about Nainwa was unacceptable aswel? Calling nainwa a pricehunter when we have Koreans traveling to foreigner events only to collect the money aswel as not speaking one drop of english. Very ironic! NAINWA was inmature it just shock me that GOM choose to travel the road of inmaturity aswel. You must not have got the memo that what was translated was mistranlated and the person has apologized for the mistanslation.
At least we can tell easily who is coming in here just to post their opinions and get out (without reading at least the last 2 pages of post and catchup on the flow of discussion here)
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On December 16 2011 07:46 Severedevil wrote:
So...
Naniwa: honestly broke an implicit agreement.
GOM: dishonestly broke an implicit agreement.
Actually because GOM themselves wrote that Providence would grant a Code S spot you can say Gom broke an explicit agreement.
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doesn't exactly instill faith for future players in future tourneys, very unprofessional of GOM, which is surprising how seriously they take professionalism and all that
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okay okay. im quite confused about the seeding GSL thing. anyone kind enough to clear that up for me? 
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It's within their jurisdiction because it's probably more of an agreement rather than a contract. MLG isn't in a position to force GOM to seed players based on MLG's tournaments.
Which makes what GOM did incredibly unprofessional and it will be hard for anyone to make a deal with them in the future without the use of a binding contract. The agreement was obviously made in good faith that MLG though GOM would respect, and GOM slapped them in the face for it. MLG isn't even being harsh to GOM about it either so far.
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Man, people stick up for naniwa so much. He even admits he was in the wrong and will change his behavior accordingly, so why are people still talking shit about GomTV (Who by the way, are pretty much responsible for SC2 esport success, lending their brand and talent (tastosis) to other tournaments, etc).
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Naniwa got blizzard cup spot for his providence event,why is anyone bitching for him not getting code s also?
Naniwa is so special that he should get 10 code s spots for his providence placement unlike other players who only get 1 spot into 1 tourney,also if theres any other tour hosted by gom naniwa should get spot into that one also based on his providence performance.
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On December 16 2011 07:46 leungwk01 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 07:44 LorDo wrote:On December 16 2011 07:37 Govou wrote:On December 16 2011 07:36 LorDo wrote:On December 16 2011 07:10 Bluemagic2121 wrote:
They just didn't communicate to MLG about change in Seeding spot, that is all.
and this whatever change Gom happened just about a month after the Providence, so change happened before Blizzard cup.
and what I don't understand from a couple of people out there keep saying Gom did dirty work and what not,
Did they take away code S spot for no reason? you think they just took it away from naniwa for no reason?
THEY DID NOT CHANGE THE RULE BECAUSE OF CHILDISH ACT OF NANIWA but coincidentally the change for 2012 was ALREADY MADE, even thought a lot of you out there sees or feels like the change was made on the next day after Naniwa's act.
And also like MLG said, the power is in Gom's hand, not from MLG. WITH THE NEW RULE MADE BEFORE BLIZZ CUP,
Gom was to GIVE code S spot as A GIFT, but Naniwa with CHILDish ACT BLEW IT AWAY, this. why is this so hard to understand?????????????????????
ABOVE im just saying as in facts,
now below is my opinion.
ALSO in Providence, Naniwa only won 3 Matches, 3 Matches to get into the final. because of some type seeding system which MLG has that I can not understand.
I was actually expecting the same format just like any other MLG, from pool game and on.
GUYS, 3 Matches to get into the final, JUST 3 Matches. and also he only had to win 2 GAMES! whereas leenock had to win 4.
and with Naniwa's history in code A, where he never passed above round 16 or 32, whichever is the lowest, is 0-10 or something.
in my opinion, the rule change Gom, even though it was last minute change and happened before blizz cup, was REALLY GOOD.
becuase Naniwa is no where near, in skill wise, to compete in Code S
Could you provide sources for your "facts" since "the new rule made before blizz cup" (in all caps) wasn't made public until after said cup, therefore one might think it was because what happened in the cup that triggered this response from GOM. http://www.gomtv.net/forum/view.gom?topicid=208740&cid=0&kind=8http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?id=940944&board=0&category=13438&subcategory=&page=4&best=&searchmode=title&search=&orderby=&token=watch the date of both article GOM has other sources on their own site that says he should get a Code S spot. There's nothing there saying "Hey, btw we changed the deal with MLG, Providence winner does NOT get a spot" The other one is a news-site with question-marks all over it. It says it is unclear if he receives one. So.. I wouldn't scream about facts when it's actually extremely unclear if they even had a plan that excluded the MLG seed up until 2 days ago. When your own partner had no idea about the switch you can't really say they've been clear with it. Source?
http://www.gomtv.net/2011gslsponsors3/news/65291
"
Pro Circuit Players Competing in the GSL
At MLG Columbus, the Top 3 non-Korean finishers will each be placed into GSL Code A.
At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows:
Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, regardless of country of origin, who doesn't already have Code S status.
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My thoughts, as stated on the GOM forum (hence talking "to" GOM):
I am also extremely disappointed. Not only with the unfair punishment of Naniwa that seems to have been too quickly provoked by Korean public opinion. But also because of the very unprofessional and disrespectful way in which you handled the GSL/MLG partnership.
You changed the specifics of that deal without telling MLG. While watching one of the most important foreign tournaments, all the players, casters and teams involved, not to mention the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of fans and viewers, believed that a Code S seed was one of the prizes. Just as had been stated in your official announcements. Do you not feel that you have any responsibility here? Do you not feel that you had an obligation of honesty and consistency to all those fans and professionals?
How can we trust GOM as an organization, when you change rules without public announcements? Or more importantly, without telling you BUSINESS PARTNER - that ran the tournament and does now look like complete idiots for unknowingly lying to the entire e-sports community?
You talk about professionalism, spirit and mutual respect - claiming Naniwa violated those things. Well maybe he did. But so have you. And if you have the slightest dignity and honor, you will apologize to MLG, Naniwa, all teams, players and casters at MLG Providence, and to all fans that followed the event.
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On December 16 2011 07:44 LorDo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 07:37 Govou wrote:On December 16 2011 07:36 LorDo wrote:On December 16 2011 07:10 Bluemagic2121 wrote:
They just didn't communicate to MLG about change in Seeding spot, that is all.
and this whatever change Gom happened just about a month after the Providence, so change happened before Blizzard cup.
and what I don't understand from a couple of people out there keep saying Gom did dirty work and what not,
Did they take away code S spot for no reason? you think they just took it away from naniwa for no reason?
THEY DID NOT CHANGE THE RULE BECAUSE OF CHILDISH ACT OF NANIWA but coincidentally the change for 2012 was ALREADY MADE, even thought a lot of you out there sees or feels like the change was made on the next day after Naniwa's act.
And also like MLG said, the power is in Gom's hand, not from MLG. WITH THE NEW RULE MADE BEFORE BLIZZ CUP,
Gom was to GIVE code S spot as A GIFT, but Naniwa with CHILDish ACT BLEW IT AWAY, this. why is this so hard to understand?????????????????????
ABOVE im just saying as in facts,
now below is my opinion.
ALSO in Providence, Naniwa only won 3 Matches, 3 Matches to get into the final. because of some type seeding system which MLG has that I can not understand.
I was actually expecting the same format just like any other MLG, from pool game and on.
GUYS, 3 Matches to get into the final, JUST 3 Matches. and also he only had to win 2 GAMES! whereas leenock had to win 4.
and with Naniwa's history in code A, where he never passed above round 16 or 32, whichever is the lowest, is 0-10 or something.
in my opinion, the rule change Gom, even though it was last minute change and happened before blizz cup, was REALLY GOOD.
becuase Naniwa is no where near, in skill wise, to compete in Code S
Could you provide sources for your "facts" since "the new rule made before blizz cup" (in all caps) wasn't made public until after said cup, therefore one might think it was because what happened in the cup that triggered this response from GOM. http://www.gomtv.net/forum/view.gom?topicid=208740&cid=0&kind=8http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?id=940944&board=0&category=13438&subcategory=&page=4&best=&searchmode=title&search=&orderby=&token=watch the date of both article GOM has other sources on their own site that says he should get a Code S spot. There's nothing there saying "Hey, btw we changed the deal with MLG, Providence winner does NOT get a spot" The other one is a news-site with question-marks all over it. It says it is unclear if he receives one. So.. I wouldn't scream about facts when it's actually extremely unclear if they even had a plan that excluded the MLG seed up until 2 days ago. When your own partner had no idea about the switch you can't really say they've been clear with it.
I'm just pointing out that the announcement was made before the Blizzcup and was not made 2 days go. To me, the second news article seems very clear. Unless you purposely want to ignore it.
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On December 16 2011 07:48 Kieofire wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 07:47 DeliCiousVP wrote:
It should be an upset GOM had an emotional reaction and showed lack of respect for Foreigners and their culture this effect us all. What they wrote about Nainwa was unacceptable aswel? Calling nainwa a pricehunter when we have Koreans traveling to foreigner events only to collect the money aswel as not speaking one drop of english. Very ironic! NAINWA was inmature it just shock me that GOM choose to travel the road of inmaturity aswel. You must not have got the memo that what was translated was mistranlated and the person has apologized for the mistanslation.
Im basing it of the "official" statement by GOM there is no question the Status QUO of Progamer in Korea dont have any high hopes for foreigners, It just suprising GOM dont step above this also read through the lines and suddenly you see the emotion sipping through always assuming that the "Korean Progaming way" is the only way.
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On December 16 2011 07:52 LorDo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 07:46 leungwk01 wrote:On December 16 2011 07:44 LorDo wrote:On December 16 2011 07:37 Govou wrote:On December 16 2011 07:36 LorDo wrote:On December 16 2011 07:10 Bluemagic2121 wrote:
They just didn't communicate to MLG about change in Seeding spot, that is all.
and this whatever change Gom happened just about a month after the Providence, so change happened before Blizzard cup.
and what I don't understand from a couple of people out there keep saying Gom did dirty work and what not,
Did they take away code S spot for no reason? you think they just took it away from naniwa for no reason?
THEY DID NOT CHANGE THE RULE BECAUSE OF CHILDISH ACT OF NANIWA but coincidentally the change for 2012 was ALREADY MADE, even thought a lot of you out there sees or feels like the change was made on the next day after Naniwa's act.
And also like MLG said, the power is in Gom's hand, not from MLG. WITH THE NEW RULE MADE BEFORE BLIZZ CUP,
Gom was to GIVE code S spot as A GIFT, but Naniwa with CHILDish ACT BLEW IT AWAY, this. why is this so hard to understand?????????????????????
ABOVE im just saying as in facts,
now below is my opinion.
ALSO in Providence, Naniwa only won 3 Matches, 3 Matches to get into the final. because of some type seeding system which MLG has that I can not understand.
I was actually expecting the same format just like any other MLG, from pool game and on.
GUYS, 3 Matches to get into the final, JUST 3 Matches. and also he only had to win 2 GAMES! whereas leenock had to win 4.
and with Naniwa's history in code A, where he never passed above round 16 or 32, whichever is the lowest, is 0-10 or something.
in my opinion, the rule change Gom, even though it was last minute change and happened before blizz cup, was REALLY GOOD.
becuase Naniwa is no where near, in skill wise, to compete in Code S
Could you provide sources for your "facts" since "the new rule made before blizz cup" (in all caps) wasn't made public until after said cup, therefore one might think it was because what happened in the cup that triggered this response from GOM. http://www.gomtv.net/forum/view.gom?topicid=208740&cid=0&kind=8http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?id=940944&board=0&category=13438&subcategory=&page=4&best=&searchmode=title&search=&orderby=&token=watch the date of both article GOM has other sources on their own site that says he should get a Code S spot. There's nothing there saying "Hey, btw we changed the deal with MLG, Providence winner does NOT get a spot" The other one is a news-site with question-marks all over it. It says it is unclear if he receives one. So.. I wouldn't scream about facts when it's actually extremely unclear if they even had a plan that excluded the MLG seed up until 2 days ago. When your own partner had no idea about the switch you can't really say they've been clear with it. Source? http://www.gomtv.net/2011gslsponsors3/news/65291" Pro Circuit Players Competing in the GSL At MLG Columbus, the Top 3 non-Korean finishers will each be placed into GSL Code A. At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows: Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, regardless of country of origin, who doesn't already have Code S status. "
also says:
GSL Pro Players Competing on the MLG Pro Circuit
MLG will invite four Korean pro players to each Pro Circuit Live Competition.
These players will be placed directly into the Championship Pools, one into each Pool.
Their placement in the Pools will be determined by their GSL rank.
All travel and accommodation expenses for these players will be provided by MLG.
For MLG Columbus, we will also be inviting the winner of the CSN tournament, currently in progress. This player will be seeded into the Open Bracket, and their travel and accommodation expenses will be covered by CSN.
stop deliberately ignoring the facts.
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On December 16 2011 07:35 Kieofire wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 07:33 slicknav wrote:
Didn't Naniwa say on LO3 that MLG admins told him he earned Code S spot? Yes, but GOM never told him he got the Code S spot.
GOM said a code S spot would be given out for every event not including Columbus. So they just never told anyone they are switching the spot for the blizzard cup spot.
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Of course they changed this afterwards. Gom realized that their deal with MLG would get Naniwa(a player who they don't like) into Code S. Then they used the probe rush as an excuse to break what they had promised, and then they lied to everyone about it.
User was temp banned for this post.
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On December 16 2011 07:51 darkscream wrote:
Man, people stick up for naniwa so much. He even admits he was in the wrong and will change his behavior accordingly, so why are people still talking shit about GomTV (Who by the way, are pretty much responsible for SC2 esport success, lending their brand and talent (tastosis) to other tournaments, etc).
No one is saying he was right. What he did was wrong. What GOM did/is doing is much, much worse, and a vast overreaction to what was a trivial offense in the first place.
And hop off the dicks of the Koreans, it doesn't justify what GOM did.
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Curious why MLG posted this. The shitstorm was finally dieing down and they just threw on another log, potentially harming their relationship with business partner GOM?
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On December 16 2011 07:52 LorDo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 07:46 leungwk01 wrote:On December 16 2011 07:44 LorDo wrote:On December 16 2011 07:37 Govou wrote:On December 16 2011 07:36 LorDo wrote:On December 16 2011 07:10 Bluemagic2121 wrote:
They just didn't communicate to MLG about change in Seeding spot, that is all.
and this whatever change Gom happened just about a month after the Providence, so change happened before Blizzard cup.
and what I don't understand from a couple of people out there keep saying Gom did dirty work and what not,
Did they take away code S spot for no reason? you think they just took it away from naniwa for no reason?
THEY DID NOT CHANGE THE RULE BECAUSE OF CHILDISH ACT OF NANIWA but coincidentally the change for 2012 was ALREADY MADE, even thought a lot of you out there sees or feels like the change was made on the next day after Naniwa's act.
And also like MLG said, the power is in Gom's hand, not from MLG. WITH THE NEW RULE MADE BEFORE BLIZZ CUP,
Gom was to GIVE code S spot as A GIFT, but Naniwa with CHILDish ACT BLEW IT AWAY, this. why is this so hard to understand?????????????????????
ABOVE im just saying as in facts,
now below is my opinion.
ALSO in Providence, Naniwa only won 3 Matches, 3 Matches to get into the final. because of some type seeding system which MLG has that I can not understand.
I was actually expecting the same format just like any other MLG, from pool game and on.
GUYS, 3 Matches to get into the final, JUST 3 Matches. and also he only had to win 2 GAMES! whereas leenock had to win 4.
and with Naniwa's history in code A, where he never passed above round 16 or 32, whichever is the lowest, is 0-10 or something.
in my opinion, the rule change Gom, even though it was last minute change and happened before blizz cup, was REALLY GOOD.
becuase Naniwa is no where near, in skill wise, to compete in Code S
Could you provide sources for your "facts" since "the new rule made before blizz cup" (in all caps) wasn't made public until after said cup, therefore one might think it was because what happened in the cup that triggered this response from GOM. http://www.gomtv.net/forum/view.gom?topicid=208740&cid=0&kind=8http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?id=940944&board=0&category=13438&subcategory=&page=4&best=&searchmode=title&search=&orderby=&token=watch the date of both article GOM has other sources on their own site that says he should get a Code S spot. There's nothing there saying "Hey, btw we changed the deal with MLG, Providence winner does NOT get a spot" The other one is a news-site with question-marks all over it. It says it is unclear if he receives one. So.. I wouldn't scream about facts when it's actually extremely unclear if they even had a plan that excluded the MLG seed up until 2 days ago. When your own partner had no idea about the switch you can't really say they've been clear with it. Source? http://www.gomtv.net/2011gslsponsors3/news/65291" Pro Circuit Players Competing in the GSL At MLG Columbus, the Top 3 non-Korean finishers will each be placed into GSL Code A. At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows: Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, regardless of country of origin, who doesn't already have Code S status. "
nvm, I misread your post. (Thought you meant that GOM had said naniwa has got code S)
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this circus is getting old fast.. just give it a rest.
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