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MLG statement on Providence Code S spot - Page 26
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namedplayer
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rd
United States2586 Posts
On December 16 2011 07:58 Govou wrote: a lot of posters said Naniwa did nothing wrong first. then they claimed GOM was changing the rule after the incident to punish Naniwa. then when those two are proven wrong, they are claiming GOM is at fault for the miscommunication and should be sued. IMO, it's clear who is the crybaby here. No, they said he broke no rules. What he did was wrong, but even banning a Korean player for the same offense is still insane. GOM definitely did stretch the rules, because it was a unique circumstance that shouldn't have existed in the first place. And the cry babies this entire time were the Koreans They went batshit crazy over something commonplace in the western scene. Naniwa admitted he was wrong, and they yanked the seed at the same time they made their BS controversial announcement. Naniwa was going to code S until the probe rush. It's only convenient GOM has NEVER announced the seeds, which only sounds like to me they intended to abuse this from the beginning, or they're incompetent/didn't see it coming. | ||
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Trsjnica
United States477 Posts
On December 16 2011 08:06 Govou wrote: I assume that is true. But since they haven't made an announcement, you can't exactly say they are backtracking. Huh? GOM did release a press release, and it said exactly that Naniwa was on the top of the list of invited, but due to the Nestea game, he was removed from consideration. | ||
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mrtomjones
Canada4020 Posts
On December 16 2011 06:54 Ponchey wrote: So, in essence: GOM changed the rules and didn't tell their partner. MLG, in turn, told everyone involved that the exchange program was still valid. Now, either GOM needs to apologize to MLG - admitting their fault, or MLG needs to apologize to the casters, players, teams and fans - admitting their fault. Preferably both. I'm not an apology whore, but with all the shit that's been going down, it feels like the respectful and honorable thing to do. I think it is likely a case of shitty communication. GOM definitely should apologize to MLG for this. Partners should communicate much better. I still agree with the GOM choice on Naniwa but it is a bad sign if neither side communicates effectively. | ||
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Biane
Australia645 Posts
On December 16 2011 07:55 Tyrant0 wrote: No one is saying he was right. What he did was wrong. What GOM did/is doing is much, much worse, and a vast overreaction to what was a trivial offense in the first place. And hop off the dicks of the Koreans, it doesn't justify what GOM did. erm.....a trivial offense?.........it may not have broken any of the written rules, but that doesnt make it any less serious (and thus more trivial) than the gravity of his actions already is to what it means to the spirit of professionalism, esports and the integrity of a tournament. | ||
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klops
United States674 Posts
On December 16 2011 07:52 Ponchey wrote: My thoughts, as stated on the GOM forum (hence talking "to" GOM): this is how i feel. naniwa goofed but GOM goofed harder imo. | ||
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Skyreaper
70 Posts
On December 16 2011 08:05 GhostLink wrote: well, naniwa would still get into Code S if it wasn't for the incident with Nestea, as stated by GOM he was one of the top players along with Idra and Sen who was considered for that spot That is most likely to happen but not 100% certain, since the new format GSL shows that there won't be direct seed from MLG. Instead, two sponsor seed will be given to two foreigners. | ||
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Trsjnica
United States477 Posts
On December 16 2011 08:09 Skyreaper wrote: That is most likely to happen but not 100% certain, since the new format GSL shows that there won't be direct seed from MLG. Instead, two sponsor seed will be given to two foreigners. It was pretty certain to happen man. GOM said that Naniwa had been at the top of the list of foreigners to invite. | ||
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lorestarcraft
United States1049 Posts
While I most certainly do not condone Naniwa's attitude, I am really getting sick of Korean arrogance. | ||
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aRRoSC2
Denmark241 Posts
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mrtomjones
Canada4020 Posts
On December 16 2011 08:07 Tyrant0 wrote: No, they said he broke no rules. What he did was wrong, but even banning a Korean player for the same offense is still insane. GOM definitely did stretch the rules, because it was a unique circumstance that shouldn't have existed in the first place. And the cry babies this entire time were the Koreans They went batshit crazy over something commonplace in the western scene. Naniwa admitted he was wrong, and they yanked the seed at the same time they made their BS controversial announcement. Naniwa was going to code S until the probe rush. It's only convenient GOM has NEVER announced the seeds, which only sounds like to me they intended to abuse this from the beginning, or they're incompetent/didn't see it coming. It is commonplace for a player to send his probes and remove his hands from the keyboard? Funny I havn't seen that before. Gom enforced their rules as they see it. Hell I see it the same way. Until you have some insite into their culture I think you calling them crybabies if pretty fricking egotistical. To me it seems as if all the people posting about GOM this and GOM that are crybabies. Whether the game should have been played or not has nothing to do with the discussion. The only issue is whether a player in one of the most important tournaments of the year should throw a match that he has been told he has to play. Its a simple answer. | ||
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Trsjnica
United States477 Posts
On December 16 2011 08:10 Lore-Fighting wrote: The real reason why Naniwa was banned is retaliation for beating the big money-makers for GOM, Nestea and MVP at Providence. While I most certainly do not condone Naniwa's attitude, I am really getting sick of Korean arrogance. There is absolutely nothing to base this statement on. Naniwa was invited to BlizzCup after beating Nestea and MVP at Providence, and even given a chance to beat GSL's money-makers again... | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
On December 16 2011 08:10 Lore-Fighting wrote: The real reason why Naniwa was banned is retaliation for beating the big money-makers for GOM, Nestea and MVP at Providence. While I most certainly do not condone Naniwa's attitude, I am really getting sick of Korean arrogance. and you base that assumption on....what? | ||
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docvoc
United States5491 Posts
On December 16 2011 05:08 Xalorian wrote: Do you see the irony in that? They didn't lied and they had the right to do so, it was not against the rule. But doing it without telling anyone was seriously unprofessional. Naniwa got punished, because he was unprofessional. But, what he did was not against the rule. Weird, is in it? First of all, you sir win an internet. Second of all, when i saw the GOM statement, i kinda pondered this, "kinda like it would be a bit weird to find about now wouldn't it?" and now it hits me, they just bait and switched. That is actually illegal and unprofessional, its time for QxG to sue, or atleast have the fans up in arms about it all. EDIT: ALSO, if any people in here crying about his unprofessional nature had read his statement, he was angry, he was pissed off, and yeah he did something stupid. However, to go to the extent that some in the Korean scene have gone to in saying that he doesn't deserve it, that is blatant hypocrisy. When Coca got kicked, they said it was a sad day, when Nani gets kicked MVP or another korean player that i can't remember just says good. The fact that GOM did something blatantly illegal overshadows and is disproportionate to what Nani did. | ||
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mrtomjones
Canada4020 Posts
On December 16 2011 08:10 Lore-Fighting wrote: The real reason why Naniwa was banned is retaliation for beating the big money-makers for GOM, Nestea and MVP at Providence. While I most certainly do not condone Naniwa's attitude, I am really getting sick of Korean arrogance. Stop trolling dude. No one in their right mind will believe you. | ||
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Necrophantasia
Japan299 Posts
Yes the format was changed. Providence gave a blizz cup seed instead of a code s seed. However, prior to this incident, all the statements point to how Naniwa was almost guaranteed the code s invite. The net change to the impact to the agreement with MLG would have been 0. There was no bait and switch, and the rules were most definitely not changed after Naniwas colossal mess up, the rules were changed before blizz cup. | ||
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Bluemagic2121
United States6 Posts
On December 16 2011 07:58 Liquid`Tyler wrote: the new format here http://www.gomtv.net/forum/view.gom?topicid=208740&cid=0&kind=8 has at least four unexplained seeds. two for code S and two for up-and-down matches, plus an unknown number of code A seeds. the GSL promised MLG participants one code S seed and three code A seeds. that format allows for that promise to still be fulfilled. so the new format is irrelevant to the promise. they've broken their promise for some other reason unexplained, but it still can or is relevant. its your tendency to THINK negatively, though situation doesn't favor people to think positvely. its like you said, unexplained, and since we don't know what things gom unexplained to us, no promise been fulfilled or broken. im not a Gom follower or anything but, thats how it is somethings on real life. User was banned for this post. | ||
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rd
United States2586 Posts
On December 16 2011 08:08 Biane wrote: erm.....a trivial offense?.........it may not have broken any of the written rules, but that doesnt make it any less serious (and thus more trivial) than the gravity of his actions already is to what it means to the spirit of professionalism, esports and the integrity of a tournament. It's as serious as match fixing? On December 16 2011 08:12 docvoc wrote: First of all, you sir win an internet. Second of all, when i saw the GOM statement, i kinda pondered this, "kinda like it would be a bit weird to find about now wouldn't it?" and now it hits me, they just bait and switched. That is actually illegal and unprofessional, its time for QxG to sue, or atleast have the fans up in arms about it all. Fans are too busy worshipping Korea. | ||
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Trsjnica
United States477 Posts
No one said that; stop creating strawman arguments. | ||
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iamthedave
England2814 Posts
On December 16 2011 07:55 Tyrant0 wrote: No one is saying he was right. What he did was wrong. What GOM did/is doing is much, much worse, and a vast overreaction to what was a trivial offense in the first place. And hop off the dicks of the Koreans, it doesn't justify what GOM did. Plenty of people have said that what Naniwa did was right. You haven't, but a lot of people have. In fact some people have lauded him for his not trying to win and framed it as some sort of defiant stance against the evil system for asking him to play the matches he agreed to (and was paid to) play. I don't see what GOM did as being so bad, save for them not telling MLG how their format shift had affected the code S spots/seeds. | ||
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