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Quite a few rejected the "no rule was broken"-arguments concerning Naniwa by referring to ethics and professionalism.
Now the same ppl are using the "no rule was broken"-arguments concerning the gom/mlg issue, completely disregarding professionalism and ethics.
I would like to point out that this could potentially have happened to anyone, a EG player, TL player, etc. If the team leaders care about their players rights and integrity I would really like to see them step up and raise their concerns as to how this is all very disturbing. The biggest teams could make a joint statement and no one would get in trouble and a strong message would be sent. We love tournaments and sponsors and all, but dont forget, the players and their games are the prime source of all the exciting competition, entertainment and joy. What has happened with the GOM/MLG issue can not be acceptable from a team leader, player or fan perspective.
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On December 16 2011 07:52 Ponchey wrote:My thoughts, as stated on the GOM forum (hence talking "to" GOM): Show nested quote +I am also extremely disappointed. Not only with the unfair punishment of Naniwa that seems to have been too quickly provoked by Korean public opinion. But also because of the very unprofessional and disrespectful way in which you handled the GSL/MLG partnership.
You changed the specifics of that deal without telling MLG. While watching one of the most important foreign tournaments, all the players, casters and teams involved, not to mention the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of fans and viewers, believed that a Code S seed was one of the prizes. Just as had been stated in your official announcements. Do you not feel that you have any responsibility here? Do you not feel that you had an obligation of honesty and consistency to all those fans and professionals?
How can we trust GOM as an organization, when you change rules without public announcements? Or more importantly, without telling you BUSINESS PARTNER - that ran the tournament and does now look like complete idiots for unknowingly lying to the entire e-sports community?
You talk about professionalism, spirit and mutual respect - claiming Naniwa violated those things. Well maybe he did. But so have you. And if you have the slightest dignity and honor, you will apologize to MLG, Naniwa, all teams, players and casters at MLG Providence, and to all fans that followed the event.
Amazingly well written. 2nd!
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It's funny that GOMTV make a big statement about respect and sportsmanship with the Nanigate situation, then show massive disrespect for MLG, fans, Naniwa and anyone who played in Providence hoping for that advertised Code S slot. I'd say it's positively unsporting of them!
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On December 16 2011 07:40 Bluemagic2121 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 07:36 LorDo wrote:On December 16 2011 07:10 Bluemagic2121 wrote:
They just didn't communicate to MLG about change in Seeding spot, that is all.
and this whatever change Gom happened just about a month after the Providence, so change happened before Blizzard cup.
and what I don't understand from a couple of people out there keep saying Gom did dirty work and what not,
Did they take away code S spot for no reason? you think they just took it away from naniwa for no reason?
THEY DID NOT CHANGE THE RULE BECAUSE OF CHILDISH ACT OF NANIWA but coincidentally the change for 2012 was ALREADY MADE, even thought a lot of you out there sees or feels like the change was made on the next day after Naniwa's act.
And also like MLG said, the power is in Gom's hand, not from MLG. WITH THE NEW RULE MADE BEFORE BLIZZ CUP,
Gom was to GIVE code S spot as A GIFT, but Naniwa with CHILDish ACT BLEW IT AWAY, this. why is this so hard to understand?????????????????????
ABOVE im just saying as in facts,
now below is my opinion.
ALSO in Providence, Naniwa only won 3 Matches, 3 Matches to get into the final. because of some type seeding system which MLG has that I can not understand.
I was actually expecting the same format just like any other MLG, from pool game and on.
GUYS, 3 Matches to get into the final, JUST 3 Matches. and also he only had to win 2 GAMES! whereas leenock had to win 4.
and with Naniwa's history in code A, where he never passed above round 16 or 32, whichever is the lowest, is 0-10 or something.
in my opinion, the rule change Gom, even though it was last minute change and happened before blizz cup, was REALLY GOOD.
becuase Naniwa is no where near, in skill wise, to compete in Code S
Could you provide sources for your "facts" since "the new rule made before blizz cup" (in all caps) wasn't made public until after said cup, therefore one might think it was because what happened in the cup that triggered this response from GOM. source is when they announced the new format for 2012 GSL, which of course had this changed along with it. you can search and check the date if you want. though I do understand that you find "when exactly this changed occured" suspicious, you are Swedish, no way im talking to biased person 
the new format here http://www.gomtv.net/forum/view.gom?topicid=208740&cid=0&kind=8 has at least four unexplained seeds. two for code S and two for up-and-down matches, plus an unknown number of code A seeds. the GSL promised MLG participants one code S seed and three code A seeds. that format allows for that promise to still be fulfilled. so the new format is irrelevant to the promise. they've broken their promise for some other reason
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On December 16 2011 07:55 Tyrant0 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 07:51 darkscream wrote:
Man, people stick up for naniwa so much. He even admits he was in the wrong and will change his behavior accordingly, so why are people still talking shit about GomTV (Who by the way, are pretty much responsible for SC2 esport success, lending their brand and talent (tastosis) to other tournaments, etc). No one is saying he was right. What he did was wrong. What GOM did/is doing is much, much worse, and a vast overreaction to what was a trivial offense in the first place. And hop off the dicks of the Koreans; this isn't BW.
a lot of posters said Naniwa did nothing wrong first.
then they claimed GOM was changing the rule after the incident to punish Naniwa.
then when those two are proven wrong, they are claiming GOM is at fault for the miscommunication and should be sued.
IMO, it's clear who is the crybaby here.
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On December 16 2011 07:55 labbe wrote:
Of course they changed this afterwards. Gom realized that their deal with MLG would get Naniwa(a player who they don't like) into Code S. Then they used the probe rush as an excuse to break what they had promised, and then they lied to everyone about it.
GOM's very quote says that Naniwa was getting into Code S before the Nestea game under the new rules.
GOM's very quote says because of that game, he was removed from consideration--aka, now he isn't getting into Code S.
Naniwa did not lose his Code S seed because of this change in rules. Naniwa lost his Code S seed because of the game with Nestea.
So please, either argue that GOM can't change the rules without telling MLG but don't mention Naniwa (because he was not harmed), or else argue that Naniwa's punishment is too severe. But realize these are two distinct issues.
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On December 16 2011 07:51 darkscream wrote:
Man, people stick up for naniwa so much. He even admits he was in the wrong and will change his behavior accordingly, so why are people still talking shit about GomTV (Who by the way, are pretty much responsible for SC2 esport success, lending their brand and talent (tastosis) to other tournaments, etc).
Exactly. The moot point is that Naniwa is voluntarily pulling out of January GSL, even though he could play and re-qualify for Code S on his own merit. Nobody has banned him from playing in GSL and if he does well in tournaments early next year, he may get another invite anyways.
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On December 16 2011 07:52 Govou wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 07:44 LorDo wrote:On December 16 2011 07:37 Govou wrote:On December 16 2011 07:36 LorDo wrote:On December 16 2011 07:10 Bluemagic2121 wrote:
They just didn't communicate to MLG about change in Seeding spot, that is all.
and this whatever change Gom happened just about a month after the Providence, so change happened before Blizzard cup.
and what I don't understand from a couple of people out there keep saying Gom did dirty work and what not,
Did they take away code S spot for no reason? you think they just took it away from naniwa for no reason?
THEY DID NOT CHANGE THE RULE BECAUSE OF CHILDISH ACT OF NANIWA but coincidentally the change for 2012 was ALREADY MADE, even thought a lot of you out there sees or feels like the change was made on the next day after Naniwa's act.
And also like MLG said, the power is in Gom's hand, not from MLG. WITH THE NEW RULE MADE BEFORE BLIZZ CUP,
Gom was to GIVE code S spot as A GIFT, but Naniwa with CHILDish ACT BLEW IT AWAY, this. why is this so hard to understand?????????????????????
ABOVE im just saying as in facts,
now below is my opinion.
ALSO in Providence, Naniwa only won 3 Matches, 3 Matches to get into the final. because of some type seeding system which MLG has that I can not understand.
I was actually expecting the same format just like any other MLG, from pool game and on.
GUYS, 3 Matches to get into the final, JUST 3 Matches. and also he only had to win 2 GAMES! whereas leenock had to win 4.
and with Naniwa's history in code A, where he never passed above round 16 or 32, whichever is the lowest, is 0-10 or something.
in my opinion, the rule change Gom, even though it was last minute change and happened before blizz cup, was REALLY GOOD.
becuase Naniwa is no where near, in skill wise, to compete in Code S
Could you provide sources for your "facts" since "the new rule made before blizz cup" (in all caps) wasn't made public until after said cup, therefore one might think it was because what happened in the cup that triggered this response from GOM. http://www.gomtv.net/forum/view.gom?topicid=208740&cid=0&kind=8http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?id=940944&board=0&category=13438&subcategory=&page=4&best=&searchmode=title&search=&orderby=&token=watch the date of both article GOM has other sources on their own site that says he should get a Code S spot. There's nothing there saying "Hey, btw we changed the deal with MLG, Providence winner does NOT get a spot" The other one is a news-site with question-marks all over it. It says it is unclear if he receives one. So.. I wouldn't scream about facts when it's actually extremely unclear if they even had a plan that excluded the MLG seed up until 2 days ago. When your own partner had no idea about the switch you can't really say they've been clear with it. I'm just pointing out that the announcement was made before the Blizzcup and was not made 2 days go. To me, the second news article seems very clear. Unless you purposely want to ignore it.
They made no announcement stating that he wouldn't get the spot. They had a new system, don't you think they should mention that they just changed the deal with MLG if that was the case? They just don't bother telling anyone that they changed the rules behind everyones back? That sounds improbable to me.
I cant read Korean, does it have a GSL source quote stating that he will not get the spot, otherwise they have not communicated their switch to anyone. If yes, then bravo you told a korean news-site. But not a word to the person believing he was to get a spot in Code S or your partner or anyone. Tasteosis instead sits and says it's his on GOMTV tournaments?
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On December 16 2011 07:47 DeliCiousVP wrote:
It should be an upset GOM had an emotional reaction and showed lack of respect for Foreigners and their culture this effect us all. What they wrote about Nainwa was unacceptable aswel? Calling nainwa a pricehunter when we have Koreans traveling to foreigner events only to collect the money aswel as not speaking one drop of english. Very ironic! NAINWA was inmature it just shock me that GOM choose to travel the road of inmaturity aswel.
I'm pretty sure most Koreans make a loss going to MLGs... the travel/accommodation costs aroudn the same as first prize.
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On December 16 2011 07:10 Bluemagic2121 wrote:
They just didn't communicate to MLG about change in Seeding spot, that is all.
and this whatever change Gom happened just about a month after the Providence, so change happened before Blizzard cup.
and what I don't understand from a couple of people out there keep saying Gom did dirty work and what not,
Did they take away code S spot for no reason? you think they just took it away from naniwa for no reason?
THEY DID NOT CHANGE THE RULE BECAUSE OF CHILDISH ACT OF NANIWA but coincidentally the change for 2012 was ALREADY MADE, even thought a lot of you out there sees or feels like the change was made on the next day after Naniwa's act.
And also like MLG said, the power is in Gom's hand, not from MLG. WITH THE NEW RULE MADE BEFORE BLIZZ CUP,
Gom was to GIVE code S spot as A GIFT, but Naniwa with CHILDish ACT BLEW IT AWAY, this. why is this so hard to understand?????????????????????
ABOVE im just saying as in facts,
now below is my opinion.
ALSO in Providence, Naniwa only won 3 Matches, 3 Matches to get into the final. because of some type seeding system which MLG has that I can not understand.
I was actually expecting the same format just like any other MLG, from pool game and on.
GUYS, 3 Matches to get into the final, JUST 3 Matches. and also he only had to win 2 GAMES! whereas leenock had to win 4.
and with Naniwa's history in code A, where he never passed above round 16 or 32, whichever is the lowest, is 0-10 or something.
in my opinion, the rule change Gom, even though it was last minute change and happened before blizz cup, was REALLY GOOD.
becuase Naniwa is no where near, in skill wise, to compete in Code S
Basicly no one is saying was not a misstake even Naniwa says this. But the real reason why many people are upset about the incident, that they didn't told about the change in rules to anyone not even MLG. If you look at the announcement of the Blizzard Cup or the new GSL-Format there is no word about the fact, that this means no more Code S spot for the best TOP3 not Code S player in the MLG. But there is atleast one earlier announcements (the announcement when they started the GSL-MLG exchange), that says you would getting a Code S seed for the whole rest of this years MLG-Season. Go back and read it yourself. But I mean it stands in the quote from MLG. Every esportsmedia I watched or read after MLG Providence said Naniwa would get the spot, even the admins at MLG told Naniwa he would have earned the spot, they did post it on their news, you could read it in liquipedia and on a lot more pages. So now I am in the position of GOM I know I have the right to change this and I think, lets just give Naniwa a place in the Blizzardcup instead of the Code-S seed. Than you have to inform the community or atleast your former partners and the player. They didn't untill their statement after the Naniwa incident. Of course they broke no rule, but neither did Naniwa. Naniwa excused directly after he saw the reaction of the korean fans. You know this wasn't childish at all, it was human, you do something wrong which was not even your intention and as soon as you realise this was wrong you apologize. GOM did not apologize thats the difference. They punish players for a misstake, which still was ok with the rules of the tournament but they don't even thinking of apologizing for their mess. If you want to call something childish, then you have to call GOM childish. But I wouldn't call it childish, they have double moral standards.
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I wish I could be as classy as gomtv!
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On December 16 2011 08:00 LorDo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 07:52 Govou wrote:On December 16 2011 07:44 LorDo wrote:On December 16 2011 07:37 Govou wrote:On December 16 2011 07:36 LorDo wrote:On December 16 2011 07:10 Bluemagic2121 wrote:
They just didn't communicate to MLG about change in Seeding spot, that is all.
and this whatever change Gom happened just about a month after the Providence, so change happened before Blizzard cup.
and what I don't understand from a couple of people out there keep saying Gom did dirty work and what not,
Did they take away code S spot for no reason? you think they just took it away from naniwa for no reason?
THEY DID NOT CHANGE THE RULE BECAUSE OF CHILDISH ACT OF NANIWA but coincidentally the change for 2012 was ALREADY MADE, even thought a lot of you out there sees or feels like the change was made on the next day after Naniwa's act.
And also like MLG said, the power is in Gom's hand, not from MLG. WITH THE NEW RULE MADE BEFORE BLIZZ CUP,
Gom was to GIVE code S spot as A GIFT, but Naniwa with CHILDish ACT BLEW IT AWAY, this. why is this so hard to understand?????????????????????
ABOVE im just saying as in facts,
now below is my opinion.
ALSO in Providence, Naniwa only won 3 Matches, 3 Matches to get into the final. because of some type seeding system which MLG has that I can not understand.
I was actually expecting the same format just like any other MLG, from pool game and on.
GUYS, 3 Matches to get into the final, JUST 3 Matches. and also he only had to win 2 GAMES! whereas leenock had to win 4.
and with Naniwa's history in code A, where he never passed above round 16 or 32, whichever is the lowest, is 0-10 or something.
in my opinion, the rule change Gom, even though it was last minute change and happened before blizz cup, was REALLY GOOD.
becuase Naniwa is no where near, in skill wise, to compete in Code S
Could you provide sources for your "facts" since "the new rule made before blizz cup" (in all caps) wasn't made public until after said cup, therefore one might think it was because what happened in the cup that triggered this response from GOM. http://www.gomtv.net/forum/view.gom?topicid=208740&cid=0&kind=8http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?id=940944&board=0&category=13438&subcategory=&page=4&best=&searchmode=title&search=&orderby=&token=watch the date of both article GOM has other sources on their own site that says he should get a Code S spot. There's nothing there saying "Hey, btw we changed the deal with MLG, Providence winner does NOT get a spot" The other one is a news-site with question-marks all over it. It says it is unclear if he receives one. So.. I wouldn't scream about facts when it's actually extremely unclear if they even had a plan that excluded the MLG seed up until 2 days ago. When your own partner had no idea about the switch you can't really say they've been clear with it. I'm just pointing out that the announcement was made before the Blizzcup and was not made 2 days go. To me, the second news article seems very clear. Unless you purposely want to ignore it. They made no announcement stating that he wouldn't get the spot. They had a new system, don't you think they should mention that they just changed the deal with MLG if that was the case? They just don't bother telling anyone that they changed the rules behind everyones back? That sounds improbable to me. I cant read Korean, does it have a GSL source quote stating that he will not get the spot, otherwise they have not communicated their switch to anyone. If yes, then bravo you told a korean news-site. But not a word to the person believing he was to get a spot in Code S or your partner or anyone. Tasteosis instead sits and says it's his on GOMTV tournaments?
Can you honestly claim that if GSL announced that the foreign seeds were going to idra + Naniwa, and that MLG was not an auto-seed, you would still be just as upset?
Because if not, be angry at GOM for their punishment of Naniwa being too severe/undeserved. Because the change in format did not harm Naniwa.
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I do not agree with the way GOM has gone about this. So the only way I can make my voice heard is to speak with my wallet.
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On December 16 2011 07:49 LorDo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 07:40 Bluemagic2121 wrote:On December 16 2011 07:36 LorDo wrote:On December 16 2011 07:10 Bluemagic2121 wrote:
They just didn't communicate to MLG about change in Seeding spot, that is all.
and this whatever change Gom happened just about a month after the Providence, so change happened before Blizzard cup.
and what I don't understand from a couple of people out there keep saying Gom did dirty work and what not,
Did they take away code S spot for no reason? you think they just took it away from naniwa for no reason?
THEY DID NOT CHANGE THE RULE BECAUSE OF CHILDISH ACT OF NANIWA but coincidentally the change for 2012 was ALREADY MADE, even thought a lot of you out there sees or feels like the change was made on the next day after Naniwa's act.
And also like MLG said, the power is in Gom's hand, not from MLG. WITH THE NEW RULE MADE BEFORE BLIZZ CUP,
Gom was to GIVE code S spot as A GIFT, but Naniwa with CHILDish ACT BLEW IT AWAY, this. why is this so hard to understand?????????????????????
ABOVE im just saying as in facts,
now below is my opinion.
ALSO in Providence, Naniwa only won 3 Matches, 3 Matches to get into the final. because of some type seeding system which MLG has that I can not understand.
I was actually expecting the same format just like any other MLG, from pool game and on.
GUYS, 3 Matches to get into the final, JUST 3 Matches. and also he only had to win 2 GAMES! whereas leenock had to win 4.
and with Naniwa's history in code A, where he never passed above round 16 or 32, whichever is the lowest, is 0-10 or something.
in my opinion, the rule change Gom, even though it was last minute change and happened before blizz cup, was REALLY GOOD.
becuase Naniwa is no where near, in skill wise, to compete in Code S
Could you provide sources for your "facts" since "the new rule made before blizz cup" (in all caps) wasn't made public until after said cup, therefore one might think it was because what happened in the cup that triggered this response from GOM. source is when they announced the new format for 2012 GSL, which of course had this changed along with it. you can search and check the date if you want. though I do understand that you find "when exactly this changed occured" suspicious, you are Swedish, no way im talking to biased person STFU with the biased shit. It doesn't matter, GOM changed something without telling anyone, we don't know when they changed it, at all. Might have been pre Providence, or after Blizz Cup. We don't know.
http://www.gomtv.net/forum/view.gom?topicid=208740&cid=0&kind=8http://www.gomtv.net/forum/view.gom?topicid=208740&cid=0&kind=8
http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?id=940944&board=0&category=13438&subcategory=&page=4&best=&searchmode=title&search=&orderby=&token=
Without telling anyone? Then how come there are people who knew that NaNiwa isn't granted Code S seed. GomTV never stated that NaNiwa was guaranteed Code S seed. It was MLG who falsely advertised others that Code S seed will be granted even though it was uncertain at the moment.
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On December 16 2011 08:02 Trsjnica wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 08:00 LorDo wrote:On December 16 2011 07:52 Govou wrote:On December 16 2011 07:44 LorDo wrote:On December 16 2011 07:37 Govou wrote:On December 16 2011 07:36 LorDo wrote:On December 16 2011 07:10 Bluemagic2121 wrote:
They just didn't communicate to MLG about change in Seeding spot, that is all.
and this whatever change Gom happened just about a month after the Providence, so change happened before Blizzard cup.
and what I don't understand from a couple of people out there keep saying Gom did dirty work and what not,
Did they take away code S spot for no reason? you think they just took it away from naniwa for no reason?
THEY DID NOT CHANGE THE RULE BECAUSE OF CHILDISH ACT OF NANIWA but coincidentally the change for 2012 was ALREADY MADE, even thought a lot of you out there sees or feels like the change was made on the next day after Naniwa's act.
And also like MLG said, the power is in Gom's hand, not from MLG. WITH THE NEW RULE MADE BEFORE BLIZZ CUP,
Gom was to GIVE code S spot as A GIFT, but Naniwa with CHILDish ACT BLEW IT AWAY, this. why is this so hard to understand?????????????????????
ABOVE im just saying as in facts,
now below is my opinion.
ALSO in Providence, Naniwa only won 3 Matches, 3 Matches to get into the final. because of some type seeding system which MLG has that I can not understand.
I was actually expecting the same format just like any other MLG, from pool game and on.
GUYS, 3 Matches to get into the final, JUST 3 Matches. and also he only had to win 2 GAMES! whereas leenock had to win 4.
and with Naniwa's history in code A, where he never passed above round 16 or 32, whichever is the lowest, is 0-10 or something.
in my opinion, the rule change Gom, even though it was last minute change and happened before blizz cup, was REALLY GOOD.
becuase Naniwa is no where near, in skill wise, to compete in Code S
Could you provide sources for your "facts" since "the new rule made before blizz cup" (in all caps) wasn't made public until after said cup, therefore one might think it was because what happened in the cup that triggered this response from GOM. http://www.gomtv.net/forum/view.gom?topicid=208740&cid=0&kind=8http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?id=940944&board=0&category=13438&subcategory=&page=4&best=&searchmode=title&search=&orderby=&token=watch the date of both article GOM has other sources on their own site that says he should get a Code S spot. There's nothing there saying "Hey, btw we changed the deal with MLG, Providence winner does NOT get a spot" The other one is a news-site with question-marks all over it. It says it is unclear if he receives one. So.. I wouldn't scream about facts when it's actually extremely unclear if they even had a plan that excluded the MLG seed up until 2 days ago. When your own partner had no idea about the switch you can't really say they've been clear with it. I'm just pointing out that the announcement was made before the Blizzcup and was not made 2 days go. To me, the second news article seems very clear. Unless you purposely want to ignore it. They made no announcement stating that he wouldn't get the spot. They had a new system, don't you think they should mention that they just changed the deal with MLG if that was the case? They just don't bother telling anyone that they changed the rules behind everyones back? That sounds improbable to me. I cant read Korean, does it have a GSL source quote stating that he will not get the spot, otherwise they have not communicated their switch to anyone. If yes, then bravo you told a korean news-site. But not a word to the person believing he was to get a spot in Code S or your partner or anyone. Tasteosis instead sits and says it's his on GOMTV tournaments? Can you honestly claim that if GSL announced that the foreign seeds were going to idra + Naniwa, and that MLG was not an auto-seed, you would still be just as upset? Because if not, be angry at GOM for their punishment of Naniwa being too severe/undeserved. Because the change in format did not harm Naniwa.
What? So you are saying that GOM could have announced MLG Providence means nothing, but we are going to reward NaNi the spot for no particular reason? I somehow doubt they were planning to do so.
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On December 16 2011 08:00 LorDo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 07:52 Govou wrote:On December 16 2011 07:44 LorDo wrote:On December 16 2011 07:37 Govou wrote:On December 16 2011 07:36 LorDo wrote:On December 16 2011 07:10 Bluemagic2121 wrote:
They just didn't communicate to MLG about change in Seeding spot, that is all.
and this whatever change Gom happened just about a month after the Providence, so change happened before Blizzard cup.
and what I don't understand from a couple of people out there keep saying Gom did dirty work and what not,
Did they take away code S spot for no reason? you think they just took it away from naniwa for no reason?
THEY DID NOT CHANGE THE RULE BECAUSE OF CHILDISH ACT OF NANIWA but coincidentally the change for 2012 was ALREADY MADE, even thought a lot of you out there sees or feels like the change was made on the next day after Naniwa's act.
And also like MLG said, the power is in Gom's hand, not from MLG. WITH THE NEW RULE MADE BEFORE BLIZZ CUP,
Gom was to GIVE code S spot as A GIFT, but Naniwa with CHILDish ACT BLEW IT AWAY, this. why is this so hard to understand?????????????????????
ABOVE im just saying as in facts,
now below is my opinion.
ALSO in Providence, Naniwa only won 3 Matches, 3 Matches to get into the final. because of some type seeding system which MLG has that I can not understand.
I was actually expecting the same format just like any other MLG, from pool game and on.
GUYS, 3 Matches to get into the final, JUST 3 Matches. and also he only had to win 2 GAMES! whereas leenock had to win 4.
and with Naniwa's history in code A, where he never passed above round 16 or 32, whichever is the lowest, is 0-10 or something.
in my opinion, the rule change Gom, even though it was last minute change and happened before blizz cup, was REALLY GOOD.
becuase Naniwa is no where near, in skill wise, to compete in Code S
Could you provide sources for your "facts" since "the new rule made before blizz cup" (in all caps) wasn't made public until after said cup, therefore one might think it was because what happened in the cup that triggered this response from GOM. http://www.gomtv.net/forum/view.gom?topicid=208740&cid=0&kind=8http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?id=940944&board=0&category=13438&subcategory=&page=4&best=&searchmode=title&search=&orderby=&token=watch the date of both article GOM has other sources on their own site that says he should get a Code S spot. There's nothing there saying "Hey, btw we changed the deal with MLG, Providence winner does NOT get a spot" The other one is a news-site with question-marks all over it. It says it is unclear if he receives one. So.. I wouldn't scream about facts when it's actually extremely unclear if they even had a plan that excluded the MLG seed up until 2 days ago. When your own partner had no idea about the switch you can't really say they've been clear with it. I'm just pointing out that the announcement was made before the Blizzcup and was not made 2 days go. To me, the second news article seems very clear. Unless you purposely want to ignore it. They made no announcement stating that he wouldn't get the spot. They had a new system, don't you think they should mention that they just changed the deal with MLG if that was the case? They just don't bother telling anyone that they changed the rules behind everyones back? That sounds improbable to me. I cant read Korean, does it have a GSL source quote stating that he will not get the spot, otherwise they have not communicated their switch to anyone. If yes, then bravo you told a korean news-site. But not a word to the person believing he was to get a spot in Code S or your partner or anyone. Tasteosis instead sits and says it's his on GOMTV tournaments?
I can't read korean that well neither but I use google translate and it's pretty clear to me code S seed was not guaranteed to Naniwa for MLG providence.
I'm just saying it was understood in korean scene that Naniwa was not going to get code S seed purely based on MLG providence.
Regarding the confusion between GOM and MLG idont know what happened. I just dont think it's something some of people has to cry over 8 threads of couple thousands replies. who's being the drama queen here?
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On December 16 2011 07:56 1st_Panzer_Div. wrote:
Curious why MLG posted this. The shitstorm was finally dieing down and they just threw on another log, potentially harming their relationship with business partner GOM?
GOM deliberately broke a contract/agreement and made MLG look like fools. Obviously they will have to save face, no matter the shitstorm that ensues on GOM. It's not like GOM tried to accomodate them as business partners or valued the relationship at all or this wouldn't have happened. They way the statement is worded very much points to "we can't do anything against it on a legal basis, if we could then we surely would".
I also don't understand why people are freaking out about the non-change in outcome. Obviously Nani might have (nobody can be sure) most probably lost his secure Code S spot but the main factor here is that GOM states professionalism and ethics in their decision as reasons and then display much worse behaviour themselves. The double standard is the big upset here (again, this is part of the Korean moral system...which is really weird).
I can't read korean that well neither but I use google translate and it's pretty clear to me code S seed was not guaranteed to Naniwa for MLG providence.
So they told some Korean press people but not their business partner who managed the whole thing to begin with? Even if they announced it somewhere in some way (and Tyler pointed out how that was not excluding the possibility of adhering the contract) that does not change the fact that they deliberately missed to inform MLG. Why should MLG have to read Korean websites to know this shit? In good business practice GOM would have talked to MLG first and prepared a statement together with them, then released that statement at an appropriate time (PRIOR to the fact). This way they screwed with them in more than one way.
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On December 16 2011 08:03 justinpal wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 08:02 Trsjnica wrote:On December 16 2011 08:00 LorDo wrote:On December 16 2011 07:52 Govou wrote:On December 16 2011 07:44 LorDo wrote:On December 16 2011 07:37 Govou wrote:On December 16 2011 07:36 LorDo wrote:On December 16 2011 07:10 Bluemagic2121 wrote:
They just didn't communicate to MLG about change in Seeding spot, that is all.
and this whatever change Gom happened just about a month after the Providence, so change happened before Blizzard cup.
and what I don't understand from a couple of people out there keep saying Gom did dirty work and what not,
Did they take away code S spot for no reason? you think they just took it away from naniwa for no reason?
THEY DID NOT CHANGE THE RULE BECAUSE OF CHILDISH ACT OF NANIWA but coincidentally the change for 2012 was ALREADY MADE, even thought a lot of you out there sees or feels like the change was made on the next day after Naniwa's act.
And also like MLG said, the power is in Gom's hand, not from MLG. WITH THE NEW RULE MADE BEFORE BLIZZ CUP,
Gom was to GIVE code S spot as A GIFT, but Naniwa with CHILDish ACT BLEW IT AWAY, this. why is this so hard to understand?????????????????????
ABOVE im just saying as in facts,
now below is my opinion.
ALSO in Providence, Naniwa only won 3 Matches, 3 Matches to get into the final. because of some type seeding system which MLG has that I can not understand.
I was actually expecting the same format just like any other MLG, from pool game and on.
GUYS, 3 Matches to get into the final, JUST 3 Matches. and also he only had to win 2 GAMES! whereas leenock had to win 4.
and with Naniwa's history in code A, where he never passed above round 16 or 32, whichever is the lowest, is 0-10 or something.
in my opinion, the rule change Gom, even though it was last minute change and happened before blizz cup, was REALLY GOOD.
becuase Naniwa is no where near, in skill wise, to compete in Code S
Could you provide sources for your "facts" since "the new rule made before blizz cup" (in all caps) wasn't made public until after said cup, therefore one might think it was because what happened in the cup that triggered this response from GOM. http://www.gomtv.net/forum/view.gom?topicid=208740&cid=0&kind=8http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?id=940944&board=0&category=13438&subcategory=&page=4&best=&searchmode=title&search=&orderby=&token=watch the date of both article GOM has other sources on their own site that says he should get a Code S spot. There's nothing there saying "Hey, btw we changed the deal with MLG, Providence winner does NOT get a spot" The other one is a news-site with question-marks all over it. It says it is unclear if he receives one. So.. I wouldn't scream about facts when it's actually extremely unclear if they even had a plan that excluded the MLG seed up until 2 days ago. When your own partner had no idea about the switch you can't really say they've been clear with it. I'm just pointing out that the announcement was made before the Blizzcup and was not made 2 days go. To me, the second news article seems very clear. Unless you purposely want to ignore it. They made no announcement stating that he wouldn't get the spot. They had a new system, don't you think they should mention that they just changed the deal with MLG if that was the case? They just don't bother telling anyone that they changed the rules behind everyones back? That sounds improbable to me. I cant read Korean, does it have a GSL source quote stating that he will not get the spot, otherwise they have not communicated their switch to anyone. If yes, then bravo you told a korean news-site. But not a word to the person believing he was to get a spot in Code S or your partner or anyone. Tasteosis instead sits and says it's his on GOMTV tournaments? Can you honestly claim that if GSL announced that the foreign seeds were going to idra + Naniwa, and that MLG was not an auto-seed, you would still be just as upset? Because if not, be angry at GOM for their punishment of Naniwa being too severe/undeserved. Because the change in format did not harm Naniwa. What? So you are saying that GOM could have announced MLG Providence means nothing, but we are going to reward NaNi the spot for no particular reason? I somehow doubt they were planning to do so.
You should re-read GOM's statement.
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well, naniwa would still get into Code S if it wasn't for the incident with Nestea, as stated by GOM he was one of the top players along with Idra and Sen who was considered for that spot
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On December 16 2011 08:05 GhostLink wrote:
well, naniwa would still get into Code S if it wasn't for the incident with Nestea, as stated by GOM he was one of the top players along with Idra and Sen who was considered for that spot
I assume that is true. But since they haven't made an announcement, you can't exactly say they are backtracking.
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