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leungwk01
United Kingdom1260 Posts
If only they made if more specific on their code S seed this wouldn't have happened but I feel the reason they changed the format was because koreans were winning all the MLGs but they just didn't inform MLG. (or something screwed up) There's no chance the 2 Code S seeds are for koreans. | ||
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JoeSchmoe
Canada2058 Posts
On December 16 2011 07:11 redviper wrote: Thats a really interesting point. If the 4 GSL players weren't seeded into MLG didn't MLG first break their end of the bargain? Why should providence winner (or in Nani's case 2nd place) get a seed to Code S if the quid pro quo portion wasn't upheld? unfortunately the majority of the foreign community doesn't care about logic at this point. it's GOM's fault regardless of what happens because they punished a foreigner. | ||
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Biane
Australia645 Posts
On December 16 2011 07:13 seabass wrote: It's useless to talk about if a Korean or almost anyone else had gotten the spot if they would have been given Code S. The answer is yes, Nani did get a spot HOWEVER due to it no longer being solid he fucked it up, something that plenty people have said is "nani being nani". Would a korean have gotten the code s seed naniwa would have gotten if they got 2nd place at providence? we can't say yes for certain, cause the trend it seems atm is to give that seed (which is no longer the standard LXP seed, but this new sponsor seed) to foreigners (after all, giving it to koreans wont bring in much of the foreign audience) | ||
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MCDayC
United Kingdom14464 Posts
An absolutely unprofessional dick move. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On December 16 2011 07:16 Ammanas wrote: Well, MLG said that GOM had a right to do it, so it isn't illegal. On the other hand, if some of the players or affiliated teams wanted to sue MLG for false advertising (Code S seeding in Top 3, many articles with "Naniwa rewarded Code S on MLG site...), they would probably succeed... Anyway, it's not MLGs fault and I don't think there's someone in the community that would sue them, so yeah... Huh? MLG could say that it's legal for MLG to change the prize pool from 50k dollars to 1 dollars, I don't care what MLG says in the slightest and don't think their opinion has any value in this matter. What matters is that they decided to change a significant, heavily advertized portion of the prize pool of the tournament after the tournament was played and concluded. I don't know of any country where this is legal. Not even if MLG says it's legal. | ||
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Zuxo
Sweden395 Posts
Will probably stop supporting GOM now. Also I feel really bad for Naniwa because of this =(. | ||
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Ammanas
Slovakia2166 Posts
On December 16 2011 07:21 Shikyo wrote: Huh? MLG could say that it's legal for MLG to change the prize pool from 50k dollars to 1 dollars, I don't care what MLG says in the slightest and don't think their opinion has any value in this matter. What matters is that they decided to change a significant, heavily advertized portion of the prize pool of the tournament after the tournament was played and concluded. I don't know of any country where this is legal. Not even if MLG says it's legal. What I am saying is, MLG is the one who did "false advertising," not GOM. MLG didn't know that there won't be any Code S seed for Providence, so they were advertising it. But it was them, not GOM. So basically, GOM did nothing wrong, which was acknowledged by MLG in the statement on the first page. EDIT: It seems like I am defending them, which I am not - I already posted that what GOM did was basically the same as what Naniwa did, only on much larger scale.... | ||
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coverpunch
United States2093 Posts
But for all the budding contract lawyers out there, don't forget a simple fact of life. This decision does not affect MLG and their bottom line, therefore MLG does not care. | ||
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Trsjnica
United States477 Posts
On December 16 2011 07:19 leungwk01 wrote: When GOM introduced their new format they did say there would be 2x Code S seed and 2x international up/down seeds. If only they made if more specific on their code S seed this wouldn't have happened but I feel the reason they changed the format was because koreans were winning all the MLGs but they just didn't inform MLG. (or something screwed up) There's no chance the 2 Code S seeds are for koreans. It's a bit funny that a lot of people are up in arms about this change as GOM trying to screw over foreigners, when really, the change to Code S seeding was to ensure that *more* foreigners get into Code S, likely because the MLG seeding system seemed to result in Koreans getting into Code S. | ||
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Bluemagic2121
United States6 Posts
On December 16 2011 07:19 FabledIntegral wrote: They changed it BEFORE the Blizzard cup, but never made anyone aware of it? Bullshit. If the invite thing was true, I think it would be OK to revoke the Naniwa invite, but as it stands, it seems like a load of bullshit to me. I do get what you are saying, and understand that it is suspicious. but did gom do this to ruin naniwa for no reason? did gom do this to piss of naniwa fans? did gom this is to no reason? who know they changed right after naniwa match or well before, people will never know. but the penalty was done WITH PROPER reason. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On December 16 2011 07:24 Ammanas wrote: What I am saying is, MLG is the one who did "false advertising," not GOM. MLG didn't know that there won't be any Code S seed for Providence, so they were advertising it. But it was them, not GOM. So basically, GOM did nothing wrong, which was acknowledged by MLG in the statement on the first page. No, GOM changed those rules after the MLG, didn't you read? | ||
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Biane
Australia645 Posts
On December 16 2011 07:21 Zuxo wrote: Aaaaa the hypocrisy, how lovely.. Will probably stop supporting GOM now. Also I feel really bad for Naniwa because of this =(. Actually I don't. Feeling bad for Naniwa only makes it sound like he's totally innocence in all of this, which he isn't. Yeah, he got the worst possible end of things from GOM whose decision atm isn't looking good for them for their reputation but guess who started it (and no, lets not get into arguments about whether its initially GOM or Naniwa's fault in the first place, cause such situations are inevitable maybe once/twice a year in such formats) | ||
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seabass
Canada15 Posts
On December 16 2011 07:21 Biane wrote: Would a korean have gotten the code s seed naniwa would have gotten if they got 2nd place at providence? we can't say yes for certain, cause the trend it seems atm is to give that seed (which is no longer the standard LXP seed, but this new sponsor seed) to foreigners (after all, giving it to koreans wont bring in much of the foreign audience) Most of the players who had the potential to get that high would likely already have a Code S seed, looking at the results you'd be giving it to Haypro as the next person who wasn't already in Code S, and as much as I love the banjo you'd be hard pressed to find someone who thinks he can compete at a Code S level. Not to mention youd be going all the way to 7th place, and only then because Idra forfeit at that point. | ||
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Trsjnica
United States477 Posts
On December 16 2011 07:28 seabass wrote: Most of the players who had the potential to get that high would likely already have a Code S seed, looking at the results you'd be giving it to Haypro as the next person who wasn't already in Code S, and as much as I love the banjo you'd be hard pressed to find someone who thinks he can compete at a Code S level. Not to mention youd be going all the way to 7th place, and only then because Idra forfeit at that point. Haypro couldn't have won it though, as it was always limited to Top 3. | ||
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Biane
Australia645 Posts
On December 16 2011 07:25 Trsjnica wrote: It's a bit funny that a lot of people are up in arms about this change as GOM trying to screw over foreigners, when really, the change to Code S seeding was to ensure that *more* foreigners get into Code S, likely because the MLG seeding system seemed to result in Koreans getting into Code S. Because most (but not all) people here are either on one side of the fence or the other. A bit hard for someone to be in the middle ground for this incident. But then again, maybe the argument really is about this change trying to screw Naniwa over. | ||
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seabass
Canada15 Posts
On December 16 2011 07:28 Trsjnica wrote: Haypro couldn't have won it though, as it was always limited to Top 3. I realize this, I'm just saying that assuming a Code A/unplaced player finishing 2nd and getting the seed has happened before, and in this tournament if you aren't giving a seed to nani the point is moot. | ||
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WeavingHarp9
Sweden23 Posts
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labbe
Sweden1456 Posts
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iamthedave
England2814 Posts
On December 16 2011 07:26 Biane wrote: Actually I don't. Feeling bad for Naniwa only makes it sound like he's totally innocence in all of this, which he isn't. Yeah, he got the worst possible end of things from GOM whose decision atm isn't looking good for them for their reputation but guess who started it (and no, lets not get into arguments about whether its initially GOM or Naniwa's fault in the first place, cause such situations are inevitable maybe once/twice a year in such formats) It's Naniwa's fault anyway: he never asked to be allowed to forfeit his game. If he's sitting on the chair feeling so dejected he wants to punch a baby, he should have gone to one of the GOM employees and asked if he could forfeit on those grounds. He didn't. If he had I'd be far more sympathetic, because then they would have forced him to play despite being fully aware he was in no mood to do so and had no desire to do so. | ||
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Biane
Australia645 Posts
On December 16 2011 07:28 seabass wrote: Most of the players who had the potential to get that high would likely already have a Code S seed, looking at the results you'd be giving it to Haypro as the next person who wasn't already in Code S, and as much as I love the banjo you'd be hard pressed to find someone who thinks he can compete at a Code S level. Not to mention youd be going all the way to 7th place, and only then because Idra forfeit at that point. So in avoiding that, they gave the seed to Sen, whom we can agree can at least compete at the code S level, if not, the top end of the creme of Code A. Not that bad of a decision, but still leaves up in the clouds if say someone like violet/puma/boxer were in that top 8. | ||
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