EPTGOMTV Announcement regarding NaNiWa - Page 87
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bobohobo
Canada69 Posts
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purpose
Sweden1017 Posts
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iky43210
United States2099 Posts
On December 15 2011 20:01 kcbgoku wrote: It's still mindblowing that anyone thinks this is justified by anything else than: We didn't like your decision in a silly situation we've created so "bye" for this season, come back later. you think being disrespectful to the tourney organizers is not justifiable for kicking a player out? Its perfectly justifiable. Try telling your boss about what an ass he is and see what happens Naniwa has been banned from THREE DIFFERENT TOURNEY in EU, this isn't the first time he goes out as a complete jackass | ||
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The Void
Germany428 Posts
On December 15 2011 19:57 SnePe wrote: I don't mean to single you out but I do have a couple of questions for you and people that reason in this way. You say cannon rush or 4gate is OK, you would have accepted that but who decides where to draw the line? Is one base carrier OK? Proxy 9 gates? Double nexus on 15? Inbase nexus -> 50 probe rush? 15 nexus, 4 gas then nothing but pure sentry? Mothership+DT of one base? Tripple robo mass observer? Double gas on 11 into super fast DT? How silly of a strategy is one allowed to use for it to be "fine" and who decides what is acceptable and what is not? If 1 gate into one base carrier is OK for you, then someone that does a 7 probe rush has a bigger chance of winning. I don't think it is right to throw a game like that but I do understand it. Ye.. those who say "he has to play his best no matter what" never have been in a competition losing 3 games in a row. this oppinion only leads into silly 4gates and you never know if the player is actually play for real. next time a dumb organization makes a tourney with meaningless games i want to Tripple robo mass observer xD JUST TO OFFEND THEM, for making bad formats. | ||
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Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
On December 15 2011 20:09 purpose wrote: GOMTV and that Mr Chae guy still has not apologized for going out in public and calling Naniwa an amateur prize hunter. Such disrespectfull and unprofessional behaviour is disgusting to see and its just shameless. Do you have a source for that? From what I gathered, neither GOM tv not Chae said Naniwa was an amateur prize hunter, that was just paraphrased by a random korean in broken English. GOM and Chae just said that GSL isn't all about winning money, that you also have to be respectful etc etc. | ||
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Fjodorov
5007 Posts
On December 15 2011 20:06 Focuspants wrote: If you can please tell me why Naniwa has a divine right to that code S spot, and why GOM isnt allowed to choose who they want to give it to, and rather, must listen to who you tell them to give it to, I would appreciate it. Stop being lazy. There have been numerous links and quotes from relevant sources, both gom and mlg, regarding the code s prize at providence. If you think its ok to change the prize of a tournament after it has taken place, then thats your opionion. It doesnt matter if the prize is money, toothpaste or a code s spot. Its unprofessional and false marketing. | ||
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iky43210
United States2099 Posts
On December 15 2011 20:11 The Void wrote: Ye.. those who say "he has to play his best no matter what" never have been in a competition losing 3 games in a row. this oppinion only leads into silly 4gates and you never know if the player is actually play for real. next time a dumb organization makes a tourney with meaningless games i want to Tripple robo mass observer xD JUST TO OFFEND THEM, for making bad formats. alot of sports have pointless games, but you don't see anyone sitting or quitting a game trying to prove a point | ||
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sleepingdog
Austria6145 Posts
On December 15 2011 20:09 iky43210 wrote: you think being disrespectful to the tourney organizers is not justifiable for kicking a player out? Its perfectly justifiable. Try telling your boss about what an ass he is and see what happens Naniwa has been banned from THREE DIFFERENT TOURNEY in EU, this isn't the first time he goes out as a complete jackass the funny thing is - he is, explicitly NOT banned/kicked/whatever; he just didn't receive an invite for something that he had no right to anyways GOMTV could've just invited anyone else saying they were more convinced with their results and nobody would have cared lol | ||
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Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
On December 15 2011 20:13 Fjodorov wrote: Stop being lazy. There have been numerous links and quotes from relevant sources, both gom and mlg, regarding the code s prize at providence. If you think its ok to change the prize of a tournament after it has taken place, then thats your opionion. It doesnt matter if the prize is money, toothpaste or a code s spot. Its unprofessional and false marketing. You're the one who needs to stop being lazy. MLG, Gom and everyone official has already stated, many times over, that Naniwa DID NOT earn his Code S spot from Providence. No prize from any tournament was changed, an invitation was revoked. That's. it. | ||
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Focuspants
Canada780 Posts
On December 15 2011 20:13 Fjodorov wrote: Stop being lazy. There have been numerous links and quotes from relevant sources, both gom and mlg, regarding the code s prize at providence. If you think its ok to change the prize of a tournament after it has taken place, then thats your opionion. It doesnt matter if the prize is money, toothpaste or a code s spot. Its unprofessional and false marketing. The statements have addressed this issue, you choose to ignore them, and side with misunderstandings in the past. Im sorry you didnt get what you want, and youre willing to read selectively to please your own perception of the situation. Notice Naniwa hasnt even said that he had a code s spot he won at mlg taken away? Because he didnt. All of the sources that are linked are from the same organizations that have come out and said that it was a misunderstanding. Now move on. I am not lazy, you are unwilling to understand the situation, because you are blinded by your fanboyism. THE PERSON YOU ARE DEFENDING APOLOGIZED FOR BEING WRONG. Support him, by hoping for a brighter future, and being there for him as he bounces back, not by fighting a fight, that he doesnt even deem worthy of beign fought. | ||
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KoBlades
Austria248 Posts
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hunts
United States2113 Posts
On December 15 2011 20:09 purpose wrote: GOMTV and that Mr Chae guy still has not apologized for going out in public and calling Naniwa an amateur prize hunter. Such disrespectfull and unprofessional behaviour is disgusting to see and its just shameless. Because they never called him that. It was a mistranslation by someone on the forums, they never called him that, stop thinking they did. | ||
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Kettchup
United States1911 Posts
On December 15 2011 20:05 hicser wrote: He's a foreigner that's why people are up in arms, people wouldn't care so much if he was Korean. Plenty of us defended Coca/Byun as well, and their situation was much worse than this, so your statement is worthless. | ||
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Assirra
Belgium4169 Posts
On December 15 2011 20:09 purpose wrote: GOMTV and that Mr Chae guy still has not apologized for going out in public and calling Naniwa an amateur prize hunter. Such disrespectfull and unprofessional behaviour is disgusting to see and its just shameless. That was a mistranslation. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10964 Posts
On December 15 2011 20:20 Kettchup wrote: Plenty of us defended Coca/Byun as well, and their situation was much worse than this, so your statement is worthless. It's still true. The outrage wasn't nearly as big (but there was one) and the punishments were harder. | ||
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Durin
Sweden9 Posts
Naniwa clearly didnt know he was breaking some code of conduct they hold up there players to. And if the game was so importent why not check if a rematch could be done instead of just jump to punishment for something the player at the time didnt know was wrong according to there player conduct. | ||
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Jackle
Canada859 Posts
On December 15 2011 20:09 purpose wrote: GOMTV and that Mr Chae guy still has not apologized for going out in public and calling Naniwa an amateur prize hunter. Such disrespectfull and unprofessional behaviour is disgusting to see and its just shameless. The thread was closed for whatever reason, but the OP's content should really be posted in the Naniwa-Gom thread. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=294943 First of all, what Mr. Chae actually said: 프로게이머라는 직업이 사실은 이겨서 상금을 타가서 그걸로 업을 삼는다고 프로게이머라고 생각하지 않아요 프로게이머라는 직업은 승부를 가리는 것들을 시청자분들에게 보여주고 그것들을 시청자 분들이 열광하고 그것을 통해서 승부를 가리는 것을 직업으로 삼는 선수들을 프로게이머라고 저희가 생각을하고 있기 때문에 저희가 시드를 줬던것은 퀀틱 게이밍의 프로토스 프로게이머 나니와 선수였지 스웨덴에서 게임을 잘하는 청년 요한 루세시는 아니였습니다. "We don't believe that winning games and getting prizes make you a pro-gamer. We think that pro-gaming as a vocation should be about gamers competing for the victory, for the audience so they would get excited, and in all that, players job is to compete for the victory through that. We gave the seed to Quantic Gaming's protoss pro-gamer NaNiwa, not the Swedish youth Johan Lucchesi who plays the game well." | ||
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purpose
Sweden1017 Posts
The way Naniwa did this was childish and not the best way to handle it, but he did not kill esport, he has not killed Nestea and I daubt that Nestea cried over that game etc. people need to calm down and chill. | ||
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T-oastbro-T
Germany378 Posts
Naniwa's behaviour was obviously offensive to a lot of people. But my issue at the moment is the lack of professionalism from GOM/MLG (don't know whose share of the blame is bigger tbh) in dealing with this matter. Especially the ominous "new GSL-system", while in the last months/weeks they never discouraged the impression, that the highest-placed non-Code-S-Player at MLG-Tournaments would receive Code-S-status in the following season. There were enough news-posts about Naniwa and his Code-S-spot for GOM to come out and say: "Sorry, but it's merely a chance to apply for it in a special competition, not a full invite". I consider this mess GOM's second strike this year, after their baffling "user-passwords-in-plaintext"-disaster a few months ago. | ||
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FallDownMarigold
United States3710 Posts
On December 15 2011 20:26 Durin wrote: Going say it again since no one even noticed it the first time. Naniwa clearly didnt know he was breaking some code of conduct they hold up there players to. And if the game was so importent why not check if a rematch could be done instead of just jump to punishment for something the player at the time didnt know was wrong according to there player conduct. Fallacy. Game was not important -- that was not the reason for his punishment. If you haven't gotten that by now, just get out with the trolling/blindsupport. We get it, you're from Sweden, you like Naniwa, but please respect the facts here. | ||
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