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GOMTV Announcement regarding NaNiWa

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GOMTV
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)84 Posts
December 14 2011 21:33 GMT
#1
Dear Teamliquid.net users,

Time really flies - we have already reached the Semifinals of the Blizzard Cup. We wish to conclude a great year of StarCraft II with the Blizzard Cup and hope everyone was able to enjoy some of the great matches we've had so far.

There seems to be great confusion regarding an incident involving NaNiWa that took place on the second day of Blizzard Cup. We would like to clarify this matter and hereby announce our official stance towards the incident.


1. GSL's stance toward the NaNiWa incident

Not only progamers, but professional athletes in every sports prove and showcase their skill through the game and by doing so entertain their fans. Since professional athletes do this for a living, competing in tournaments is a means to make money in order to sustain themselves. While money is an essential factor in a professional athlete’s life, it is the sincere competitive spirit that enables a mere athlete to become a professional athlete. This spirit entails the will to improve, work hard and try one's best no matter what. It also encompasses a mutual respect between those who share the title of professional athlete, which consequently leads to a certain code of professional conduct. It is this underlying competitive spirit, which goes beyond and is unrelated to any amount of prize money, of every professional athlete that touches and entertains many fans. We believe that the reason why so many people are such avid fans of baseball, soccer or e-sports has next to nothing to do with money. Korean e-sports fans generally share this understanding of the term 'professional athlete’ or in this case 'progamer', and might be less likely to tolerate a deviation from these core values compared to overseas communities.

A lot of people share the opinion that NaNiWa has not broken any rules and should therefore not receive any punishment.

It is true that NaNiWa has not taken actions that break any explicit rules, like for example using a cheat to gain an unfair advantage. NaNiWa has however purposefully not tried his best and shown this in a disrespectful manner. This was not only disappointing for his opponent NesTea and the GSL, but also for the many fans who had anticipated a great match. This behavior does not match with the definition of a progamer as laid out in the paragraph above.

We do however not doubt the sincerity of NaNiWa's competitive spirit. NaNiWa has come the long way to Korea just to compete in the GSL after all. We know very well how hard it is and the determination it takes to come to a foreign country and take the challenge to compete.

We want to make clear that NaNiWa will not be banned from the GSL for his actions. We will however revoke his candidacy for a Code S seed, which means that he will have to requalify for the GSL.


2. Doesn't that mean that the GSL is depriving NaNiWa of a Code S seed that he rightfully earned?

It seems like a lot of people have been under the impression that NaNiWa has received a Code S seed for taking 2nd place at MLG Providence. The truth however is that NaNiWa has received the right to compete in the Blizzard Cup for his 2nd place achievement at MLG Providence.

We have introduced our new format for the 2012 GSL Tour a while ago, which includes changes to the way international seeds are being given out. Since we have not explained these changes to the seeds in detail yet, this misunderstanding seems to have arisen.

In 2012 the GSL will have 2 Code S sponsor seeds. These seeds will be determined by outstanding results in international tournaments. In 2011 the GSL schedule luckily matched very well with MLG's schedule. For this reason we were able to introduce a system that allowed high-placing players at MLG to compete in the following GSL season in a regular manner. In 2012 we will again do our best to provide a schedule that matches well with MLG and other international leagues. As the GSL format has changed and a season now lasts for significantly longer, it will this time however not be possible to perfectly match our schedule with MLG's. Apart from that we would also like to consider players of other remarkable tournaments and have therefore introduced this change to our international seeding system.

NaNiWa has been considered as one of the players to receive a Code S seed for the 2012 GSL Season 1 as a part of the this new seeding system due to his recent impressive results. Other players under consideration were IdrA (MLG Orlando 4th, IEM Guangzhou) and Sen (Blizzcon Battle.net Invitational 3rd) among others. During this phase of consideration aforementioned incident happened, which led us to the decision to remove NaNiWa from the top of the list of considered players. This is not to be seen as a direct punishment resulting from the incident, the incident did however understandably have an influence on NaNiWa's position on the list of candidates.

What we would like to ask from all of the GSL fans is to not simply see this incident as just a simple meaningless single game between NaNiWa and NesTea. The act of purposefully losing a match, whatever the underlying reasons may be, does always also have a psychological effect on the other players. By tolerating such behavior, purposefully losing might be deemed as a legitimate action and we might see more of such matches in the future, which is something that surely neither the fans nor the players would appreciate.

Both Korean as well as international fans are important to us. We hope that no one gets the wrong picture and believes that NaNiWa is being treated disadvantageously because he is a foreigner. On the contrary, if a Korean had been involved in a similar incident, it is possible that a much harsher reaction would have followed. It is also very likely that the player's team would have taken firm action before the GSL could have even reacted to it.

The GSL is a tournament that is open for fans and players from all over the world. We are lucky to live in the internet era, which allows us to easily connect and share our passions. At the same time, we have to live with the time difference and can experience an interesting mix but sometimes also clash of cultures. We would be very happy to be able to always satisfy everyone, but unfortunately that is not realistically possible. We would like everyone to know that we tried to make a fair decision to the best of our ability in this unfortunate situation.

We promise that we will work hard to provide tournament formats that will lead players to do their best in every match and to create a GSL that will allow fans to enjoy and experience the competition as something that has more to it than just professionals trying to make a living.

We wish NaNiWa all the best for his future endeavors as a progamer.

Thank you.
GOMTV.net

Original post: http://www.gomtv.net/forum/view.gom?topicid=212470&cid=0&kind=8
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Attiicus
Profile Joined November 2010
United States84 Posts
December 14 2011 21:36 GMT
#2
People spun this all way out of proportion. Good statement. And Ty for all you do for the community!
dala
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden477 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 21:38:33
December 14 2011 21:38 GMT
#3
Thanks for the explanation!
ProxyKnoxy
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2576 Posts
December 14 2011 21:39 GMT
#4
Even MLG was under the impression that NaNiwa had his Code S spot earned through MLG Providence... I don't know why you would suddenly change it for the last event.

Maybe I'm not seeing something
"Zealot try give mariners high five. Mariners not like high five and try hide and shoot zealot"
Kieofire
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1809 Posts
December 14 2011 21:39 GMT
#5
Thanks for your side of the story, now things should calm down a bit!
Trsjnica
Profile Joined April 2011
United States477 Posts
December 14 2011 21:40 GMT
#6
Good statement from GOM.
TadH
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada1846 Posts
December 14 2011 21:40 GMT
#7
Judging from what he did (didn't?) do, he deserves nothing. So many people would love to be in his position. It was a disgrace in my opinion and a slap int he face to e-sports fans everywhere.
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
December 14 2011 21:40 GMT
#8
Mhmm I especially agree with the statement that if a korean player had done this his punishment would have been more harsh then Naniwa's. Sucks for Naniwa but I imagine he will get his shot sometime next year.

Thanks for the statement and looking forward to 2012 gsl :D
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Hydrox911
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom261 Posts
December 14 2011 21:41 GMT
#9
Im sorry, but I do like the stance gomtv has taken to this and am very disappointed. The thing you have to understand is that you have taken away Naniwa's code s spot. He was going to be in code s --> incidenent happens ----> No seed. For me at least, its gomtv who looks the worst out this occasion. You have to clearer what the rules are and , as has been discussed in other threads, not have these vague rules which gomtv seems to have used against naniwa. Be clear with your rules. Very disappointed and In my opinion, there is a large part of blame for having pointless games in the first place. You seem to purely have reacted according to Korean netizen reactions and not having clear rules, just making them up as you feel fitting.

Sorry Gom, but this is my opinion and don't feel like supporting gomtv right now. Thanks
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zeru
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
8156 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 22:34:22
December 14 2011 21:41 GMT
#10
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Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
December 14 2011 21:41 GMT
#11
Alright. We have an official statement from both sides. Let's lay this to rest and please lock all the other threads. It's getting ridiculous with the continued same arguments back and forth in every thread.

Thank you for the statement Mr. Chae
powerfulcheeses
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada101 Posts
December 14 2011 21:42 GMT
#12
Good statement, thank you
tarodotoxin
Profile Joined July 2011
United States110 Posts
December 14 2011 21:42 GMT
#13
NaNiWa has however purposefully not tried his best and shown this in a disrespectful manner. This was not only disappointing for his opponent NesTea and the GSL, but also for the many fans who had anticipated a great match. This behavior does not match with the definition of a progamer as laid out in the paragraph above.


so the reason they gave is an unwritten rule? how pathetic.
this reminds me of david stern canceling the chris paul trade to the lakers. were the people with power can do things without question.

naniwa should have simply gotten talked to, and have been warned about his actions. being out of codeS is completely unfair and not in the rules. naniwa should stick up for himself. despite me not liking him, this is very wrong.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
December 14 2011 21:42 GMT
#14
On December 15 2011 06:41 zeru wrote:
Very confusing that you "changed" how code S seeds from MLG worked without telling anyone.


I assume it was going to be announced once the blizzard cup was over concerning how next year would work.
SiDX
Profile Joined July 2009
New Zealand1975 Posts
December 14 2011 21:42 GMT
#15
Good statements by both sides I hope we can all move on now and hope this never has to happen again.
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
December 14 2011 21:42 GMT
#16
You know what? It's really great that despite these strange and unfortunate circumstances our great organizations in eSports seem to be acting very professional about everything. I think everyone (other orgs, players, fans, etc.) have something to learn from the professionalism being employed in reaction to this incident. GOM, Quantic... they all deserve so much respect for handling all of this.
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Orcasgt24
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada3238 Posts
December 14 2011 21:43 GMT
#17
On December 15 2011 06:36 Attiicus wrote:
People spun this all way out of proportion.

I disagree. It just so happened that everyone had an opinion on this paticular matter and made it know in the 8787698 threads. Probably only needed 2 or 3 threads instead of so many.

Good to hear about the two Code S seeds being invites. That deffinatly is news
In Hearthstone we pray to RNGesus. When Yogg-Saron hits the field, RNGod gets to work
Gin-san
Profile Joined November 2011
Croatia92 Posts
December 14 2011 21:43 GMT
#18
That's actually a pretty lame response, just like i expected it. They think they're 100% correct and only blame NaNiwa. Hopefully Blizzard won't give the next SC2 contract to you but to KeSPA.
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Moralez
Profile Joined May 2011
Portugal1857 Posts
December 14 2011 21:43 GMT
#19
I <3 GOMTV
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chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
December 14 2011 21:43 GMT
#20
We want to make clear that NaNiWa will not be banned from the GSL for his actions. We will however revoke his candidacy for a Code S seed, which means that he will have to requalify for the GSL.


Does this mean for all code S events or just GSL 2012 Season 1 Code S?
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