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GOMTV Announcement regarding NaNiWa - Page 4

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HappyChris
Profile Joined October 2011
1534 Posts
December 14 2011 21:52 GMT
#61
They are lying about the Code S seed the highest none ranking player wins from MLG. its on MLG own homepage. GomTV trying to save there own ass by making up new format as an excuse.

So disappointed its mindblowing really
Tommylew
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Wales2717 Posts
December 14 2011 21:52 GMT
#62
now can we please have a statment on the use ofoffensive mule drops etc when you are winning too??? that also now needs to be punished as it doesnt seem to ring true with your version of being a progamer.
Live and Let Die!
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10880 Posts
December 14 2011 21:52 GMT
#63
On December 15 2011 06:50 Tyrant0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 06:47 Velr wrote:
On December 15 2011 06:43 Gin-san wrote:
That's actually a pretty lame response, just like i expected it. They think they're 100% correct and only blame NaNiwa. Hopefully Blizzard won't give the next SC2 contract to you but to KeSPA.



That is probably because factually they are 100% correct.


Having a "pointless" game in the tournament is not "good" but is not part of the issue. Naniwas unprofessional behaviour is.


And Naniwa takes 100% of the heat and GOMtv none. Naniwa is the villain who should apologize and have his balls clipped. All this did is further empower GOM as a league above all of SC2 esports, intentional or not, and fans/players are willing to sit back and take it.



GOM IS NOT AT FAULT.

Bitch all you want, but GOM IS NOT AT FAULT.

Thats why Naniwa/Quantic made an excuse and GOM is only writing an explanation.

GOM IS NOT AT FAULT.


Also: The punishment isn't really "hard".. A Korean probably would get a livetime ban for doing something like this...
koshr
Profile Joined February 2009
Germany61 Posts
December 14 2011 21:52 GMT
#64
cute way to garner back the sympathies of the community. i really dont see the point in that match and in no other pro sport exist games like that. tennis tournaments once u lost youre out. football cups let b teams play if they wont be able to advance or have allready advanced. fed cup games just end if the winner is decided. this game more than naniwas actions had nothing to do with a "professional" sport.
dacimvrl
Profile Joined December 2011
Vatican City State582 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 21:54:10
December 14 2011 21:52 GMT
#65
On December 15 2011 06:41 zeru wrote:
Very confusing that you "changed" how code S seeds from MLG worked without telling anyone, especially MLG and every single news site which reported that he won a code S spot for january. Seems a little fishy.


This, pretty much.

Let's just change the seeding and not tell ppl ahead of time regarding the purpose or intent, EVEN WHEN MLG states otherwise....... yeah, dude!!

No rules broken, but you broke my definition of a progamer, therefore you get punished.

Okay?
Roggay
Profile Joined April 2010
Switzerland6320 Posts
December 14 2011 21:53 GMT
#66
On December 15 2011 06:51 Aetherial wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 06:49 trucane wrote:
Bad statement because of the following.

1. No apology for slandering naniwa live
2. The whole giving seed to Sen/Idra based on performance when we know its because of their fan base ( stop lying and be honest for once)
3. Lying about the whole Naniwa Providence Seed part ( if you never gave him a code S spot then how the heck can you punish him by taking it away).


Completely agree with these points, in particular GOM should apologise to Naniwa for slandering him live.

They did NOT, it was a mistranslation, inform yourself please.
Kamikiri
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1319 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 21:53:31
December 14 2011 21:53 GMT
#67
On December 15 2011 06:43 Gin-san wrote:
That's actually a pretty lame response, just like i expected it. They think they're 100% correct and only blame NaNiwa. Hopefully Blizzard won't give the next SC2 contract to you but to KeSPA.


LOL can you honestly sit here and say or think that KeSPA would not do something like this? Can you really man? Are you trying to make a joke?

Also how in the world can you suddenly just hate GomTV and wish them to bite the dust over an incident like this which clearly goes against their cultures morales and code of conduct in competition such as this. Perhaps the punishment is really harsh but how can you just wish for such terrible things when they have done so well for the starcraft 2 community for so long.
Hydrox911
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom261 Posts
December 14 2011 21:53 GMT
#68
On December 15 2011 06:44 Toppp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 06:41 Hydrox911 wrote:
Im sorry, but I do like the stance gomtv has taken to this and am very disappointed. The thing you have to understand is that you have taken away Naniwa's code s spot. He was going to be in code s --> incidenent happens ----> No seed. For me at least, its gomtv who looks the worst out this occasion. You have to clearer what the rules are and , as has been discussed in other threads, not have these vague rules which gomtv seems to have used against naniwa. Be clear with your rules. Very disappointed and In my opinion, there is a large part of blame for having pointless games in the first place. You seem to purely have reacted according to Korean netizen reactions and not having clear rules, just making them up as you feel fitting.

Sorry Gom, but this is my opinion and don't feel like supporting gomtv right now. Thanks


Did you not read the fucking post?

They specifically said he never had a guarenteed Code S spot.


You know as well as I do that if this incident had not occurred, he was guaranteed a spot in code s. In my eyes gomtv is taking what he has been told is a code s spot away just due to an unwritten rule.
No, Your Quote.
Attiicus
Profile Joined November 2010
United States84 Posts
December 14 2011 21:53 GMT
#69
On December 15 2011 06:49 trucane wrote:
Bad statement because of the following.

1. No apology for slandering naniwa live
2. The whole giving seed to Sen/Idra based on performance when we know its because of their fan base ( stop lying and be honest for once)
3. Lying about the whole Naniwa Providence Seed part ( if you never gave him a code S spot then how the heck can you punish him by taking it away).

Sorry but there is no way i will ever support GOM in the future. I for one will vote with my wallet and not buy anymore tickets and I will tell all my friends to avoid it as well


This is wrong, the post was mistranslated about him being a money hunter. And if you will read the post you will see the part about them changing the way code s works for 2012. Now.... Calm down
DrivE
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States2554 Posts
December 14 2011 21:53 GMT
#70
so I'm guessing the mlg/gsl league exchange has gone out the window now
LUCK IS NO EXCUSE
Kazeyonoma
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2912 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 21:54:34
December 14 2011 21:53 GMT
#71
On December 15 2011 06:49 trucane wrote:
Bad statement because of the following.

1. No apology for slandering naniwa live
2. The whole giving seed to Sen/Idra based on performance when we know its because of their fan base ( stop lying and be honest for once)
3. Lying about the whole Naniwa Providence Seed part ( if you never gave him a code S spot then how the heck can you punish him by taking it away).

Sorry but there is no way i will ever support GOM in the future. I for one will vote with my wallet and not buy anymore tickets and I will tell all my friends to avoid it as well


1) they didn't slander him live, at least do your due diligence in research and learn that they didn't say anything slanderous about him, They said he acted unprofessionally at best and that he was acting as a young man rather than a professional. The original translation has already been rectified by CryingPoo as being incorrect.

2) They probably did take their popularity into account, but they could've picked other 'popular' figures too, they specifically chose people who have had success in recent tournaments, namely Idra at IEM Ghangzhou, and at Orlando, and Sen coming in at 3rd at the blizzcon invitational, AND both of them previously had qualified for GSL tournaments in the past. I fail to see how their reasoning which isn't clearly stated as a hard point system we can argue is anything but that, an invitational system that THEY choose from.

3) They never lied about this, they said they were considering giving it to him because in their 'list' of players to invite he was #1 based on results recently, but because of these turn of events it got bumped down. Again, it seems you're spouting off in response to the original wrong reports about 'banning' and 'amateur bounty hunter' that never was actually stated by anyone at Gom.

So please, don't try to screw up these 2 professional responses by both Gom and Naniwa/QxG by filling it with further misinformation that is ALREADY cleared up.
I now have autographs of both BoxeR and NaDa. I can die happy. Lim Yo Hwan and Lee Yun Yeol FIGHTING forever!
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
December 14 2011 21:53 GMT
#72
On December 15 2011 06:51 Aetherial wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 06:49 trucane wrote:
Bad statement because of the following.

1. No apology for slandering naniwa live
2. The whole giving seed to Sen/Idra based on performance when we know its because of their fan base ( stop lying and be honest for once)
3. Lying about the whole Naniwa Providence Seed part ( if you never gave him a code S spot then how the heck can you punish him by taking it away).


Completely agree with these points, in particular GOM should apologise to Naniwa for slandering him live.


You have the wrong information.
Moralez
Profile Joined May 2011
Portugal1857 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 21:54:09
December 14 2011 21:53 GMT
#73
On December 15 2011 06:49 trucane wrote:
Bad statement because of the following.

1. No apology for slandering naniwa live
2. The whole giving seed to Sen/Idra based on performance when we know its because of their fan base ( stop lying and be honest for once)
3. Lying about the whole Naniwa Providence Seed part ( if you never gave him a code S spot then how the heck can you punish him by taking it away).

Sorry but there is no way i will ever support GOM in the future. I for one will vote with my wallet and not buy anymore tickets and I will tell all my friends to avoid it as well


What a horrible posts you didnt even read the announcement and tons of wrong stupid information, you just took the opportunity to bash GOM. Dont worry they'll have much support from non KR fans coz they're awesome to us.

Get out.
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Ysellian
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands9029 Posts
December 14 2011 21:53 GMT
#74
On December 15 2011 06:53 Kamikiri wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 06:43 Gin-san wrote:
That's actually a pretty lame response, just like i expected it. They think they're 100% correct and only blame NaNiwa. Hopefully Blizzard won't give the next SC2 contract to you but to KeSPA.


LOL can you honestly sit here and say that KeSPA would not do something like this? Can you really man? Are you trying to make a joke?

Also how in the world can you suddenly just hate GomTV and wish them to bite the dust over an incident like this which clearly goes against their cultures morales and code of conduct in competition such as this. Perhaps the punishment is really harsh but how can you just wish for such terrible things when they have done so well for the starcraft 2 community for so long.


Haha Kespa would have DQ Stephano too XD
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
December 14 2011 21:53 GMT
#75
On December 15 2011 06:51 Aetherial wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 06:49 trucane wrote:
Bad statement because of the following.

1. No apology for slandering naniwa live
2. The whole giving seed to Sen/Idra based on performance when we know its because of their fan base ( stop lying and be honest for once)
3. Lying about the whole Naniwa Providence Seed part ( if you never gave him a code S spot then how the heck can you punish him by taking it away).


Completely agree with these points, in particular GOM should apologise to Naniwa for slandering him live.


2. please tell me better suited players based on results which are
(a) not Koreans
(b) not already in the GSL

3. who claimed they punished him? Naniwa said he'll stay away from the GSL for a season to show his regret. It's similar to the Coca case.
Gackt_
Profile Joined March 2010
335 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 21:55:34
December 14 2011 21:53 GMT
#76
Good statements!

And Im happy that it's IdrA and SEn getting the spots, since they actually qualified for GSL before. They did that through actual qualifiers in Korea before that are SOOOO much harder than by "impressive " results in an MLG poleposition spot vs opponents fighting their way through the Open Bracket in MLG.

I think the next GSL season will be kickass. Buy the tickets!
rauk
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States2228 Posts
December 14 2011 21:54 GMT
#77
On December 15 2011 06:43 Gin-san wrote:
That's actually a pretty lame response, just like i expected it. They think they're 100% correct and only blame NaNiwa. Hopefully Blizzard won't give the next SC2 contract to you but to KeSPA.

Lol if it was kespa naniwa would be permanently banned from all korean competitons
darkscream
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada2310 Posts
December 14 2011 21:54 GMT
#78
Your punishment to Naniwa was perfectly just, it was the thing he wanted most (code S seed) but he wasn't willing to put himself on the line after all that smacktalk with Nestea. Purposely losing a match is always frowned upon and it's strange the community doesn't understand the gravity of such actions. Hopefully Naniwa uses his second chance wisely.
s4life
Profile Joined March 2007
Peru1519 Posts
December 14 2011 21:54 GMT
#79
On December 15 2011 06:33 GOMTV wrote:

We promise that we will work hard to provide tournament formats that will lead players to do their best in every match and to create a GSL that will allow fans to enjoy and experience the competition as something that has more to it than just professionals trying to make a living.

Original post: http://www.gomtv.net/forum/view.gom?topicid=212470&cid=0&kind=8


How about you punish your staff first for creating a pitiful, retarded tournament format that allows for meaningless games to take place... it's clearly you people did not perform to the best of your abilities, according the standards you use to judge other people's performances. This is tyranny I say.
Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
December 14 2011 21:54 GMT
#80
Well Naniwa is so good, at least he's not banned so we will probably see him compete in the Code A qualifiers I presume.
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