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On December 15 2011 06:41 Hydrox911 wrote:
Im sorry, but I do like the stance gomtv has taken to this and am very disappointed. The thing you have to understand is that you have taken away Naniwa's code s spot. He was going to be in code s --> incidenent happens ----> No seed. For me at least, its gomtv who looks the worst out this occasion. You have to clearer what the rules are and , as has been discussed in other threads, not have these vague rules which gomtv seems to have used against naniwa. Be clear with your rules. Very disappointed and In my opinion, there is a large part of blame for having pointless games in the first place. You seem to purely have reacted according to Korean netizen reactions and not having clear rules, just making them up as you feel fitting.
Sorry Gom, but this is my opinion and don't feel like supporting gomtv right now. Thanks
Did you not read the statement? They said he was never given the code s spot, he was just a candidate for it. As a result of his actions, they decided to remove him from the candidacy, which is a very reasonable punishment for throwing the game, even if it didn't mean anything.
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On December 15 2011 06:51 JoeSchmoe wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 06:49 trucane wrote:
Bad statement because of the following.
1. No apology for slandering naniwa live
2. The whole giving seed to Sen/Idra based on performance when we know its because of their fan base ( stop lying and be honest for once)
3. Lying about the whole Naniwa Providence Seed part ( if you never gave him a code S spot then how the heck can you punish him by taking it away).
Sorry but there is no way i will ever support GOM in the future. I for one will vote with my wallet and not buy anymore tickets and I will tell all my friends to avoid it as well 1) lol slandering naniwa live. making up stuff now? 2) Huk has a significantly larger fan base compared to Sen. Why didn't they give the spot to him? 3) lol
Um, he has a code A spot. Be a bit weird if they just bumped him up.
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On December 15 2011 06:43 Gin-san wrote:
That's actually a pretty lame response, just like i expected it. They think they're 100% correct and only blame NaNiwa. Hopefully Blizzard won't give the next SC2 contract to you but to KeSPA.
I agree, this is indeed a super lame response.
GOMTV just lost all the respect I gained for them in over a year of eSPORTS action.
They set a double standard which makes them loose credibility.
I am not supporting them with premium tickets as far as I am concerned. I have been a loyal fan since season 1 but that's just ridiculous
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I'm curious as to what Sundance has to say about all of this
was he aware of the situation?
did GOMtv go up to him with the changes before the drama?
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GOMTV pleases yet again. GJ
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On December 15 2011 06:43 chipmonklord17 wrote:Show nested quote +We want to make clear that NaNiWa will not be banned from the GSL for his actions. We will however revoke his candidacy for a Code S seed, which means that he will have to requalify for the GSL. Does this mean for all code S events or just GSL 2012 Season 1 Code S?
sigh. It obviously means he has to earn it the HARD way now.
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On December 15 2011 06:53 DrivE wrote:
so I'm guessing the mlg/gsl league exchange has gone out the window now
I geuss so unless they really like the player or if a player got alot of fans o.0
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The second point is such bullshit. Naniwa would 100% have Code S seed if it wasn't for this incident. No need to dress things up and try to make yourself look better...
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On December 15 2011 06:54 Ercster wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 06:41 Hydrox911 wrote:
Im sorry, but I do like the stance gomtv has taken to this and am very disappointed. The thing you have to understand is that you have taken away Naniwa's code s spot. He was going to be in code s --> incidenent happens ----> No seed. For me at least, its gomtv who looks the worst out this occasion. You have to clearer what the rules are and , as has been discussed in other threads, not have these vague rules which gomtv seems to have used against naniwa. Be clear with your rules. Very disappointed and In my opinion, there is a large part of blame for having pointless games in the first place. You seem to purely have reacted according to Korean netizen reactions and not having clear rules, just making them up as you feel fitting.
Sorry Gom, but this is my opinion and don't feel like supporting gomtv right now. Thanks Did you not read the statement? They said he was never given the code s spot, he was just a candidate for it. As a result of his actions, they decided to remove him from the candidacy, which is a very reasonable punishment for throwing the game, even if it didn't mean anything.
I read the statement thank you. You know that he would of got the spot if he hadnt done this. That is taking it away in my eyes and gom is using unwritten rules and opinions as a course of action.
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On December 15 2011 06:52 Velr wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 06:50 Tyrant0 wrote:On December 15 2011 06:47 Velr wrote:On December 15 2011 06:43 Gin-san wrote:
That's actually a pretty lame response, just like i expected it. They think they're 100% correct and only blame NaNiwa. Hopefully Blizzard won't give the next SC2 contract to you but to KeSPA. That is probably because factually they are 100% correct. Having a "pointless" game in the tournament is not "good" but is not part of the issue. Naniwas unprofessional behaviour is. And Naniwa takes 100% of the heat and GOMtv none. Naniwa is the villain who should apologize and have his balls clipped. All this did is further empower GOM as a league above all of SC2 esports, intentional or not, and fans/players are willing to sit back and take it. GOM IS NOT AT FAULT. Bitch all you want, but GOM IS NOT AT FAULT. Thats why Naniwa/Quantic made an excuse and GOM is only writing an explanation. GOM IS NOT AT FAULT. Also: The punishment isn't really "hard".. A Korean probably would get a livetime ban for doing something like this...
GOM had no rules against it. They had inconsequential matches. This NEVER happened in GSL, because when a match goes 2-0 you don't play the third. The one time it did happen it was blatant match fixing and punished. They hyped the drama towards Naniwa. Naniwa/Quantic are making an excuse because they'll probably never fight with a league to save face with PR, but the fans aren't reserved to that luxury.
And I probably wouldn't agree with any punishment a Korean might have received.
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The perfect response from GOMtv. A game on the largest scale, with two of the biggest names, with so many fans, is expected to be decent.
Look at it this way: The next time someone doesn't feel like playing, like they don't have a chance, I guarantee they wont probe rush, At least we got this outta the way.
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On December 15 2011 06:43 Gin-san wrote:
That's actually a pretty lame response, just like i expected it. They think they're 100% correct and only blame NaNiwa. Hopefully Blizzard won't give the next SC2 contract to you but to KeSPA.
kespa is worst, dont ask for kespa man, u dont want to go there, But anyways, i dont fault GSL for punishing nani as we cant have players throwing games in the future so an example must be made, However i think the punishment could have been different ( such as banning him for this season, but letting him retain his Code S spot for the next season) I think most people are just outraged that the punishment does not fit the crime.
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GOM could at least say that their format sucked and say sorry for putting players in a situation where games don't matter, in European football sides will always put out a weak team when they don't consider the game worthy, that is the culture in Europe and they should realise this and cut the lad some slack, Inviting Sen and Idra after claiming high integrity is hilarious as well, they are happy to cash in off Idra's BM image but don't like it when the boot is on the other foot
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On December 15 2011 06:54 s4life wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 06:33 GOMTV wrote:We promise that we will work hard to provide tournament formats that will lead players to do their best in every match and to create a GSL that will allow fans to enjoy and experience the competition as something that has more to it than just professionals trying to make a living. Original post: http://www.gomtv.net/forum/view.gom?topicid=212470&cid=0&kind=8 How about you punish your staff first for creating a pitiful, retarded tournament format that allows for meaningless games to take place... it's clearly you people did not perform to the best of your abilities, according the standards you use to judge other people's performances. This is tyranny I say.
Because of the last sentence I'm assuming you're trolling, but they have already stated that group stage of GSL going forward will be BO3 and that they are taking additional days to cast every game, yet the entire last year was BO1 and people didn't hate on it until WCG did the same thing AND after this shitfest started. If you're going to throw shit at an organization at least be consistent.
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On December 15 2011 06:42 tarodotoxin wrote:Show nested quote +NaNiWa has however purposefully not tried his best and shown this in a disrespectful manner. This was not only disappointing for his opponent NesTea and the GSL, but also for the many fans who had anticipated a great match. This behavior does not match with the definition of a progamer as laid out in the paragraph above. so the reason they gave is an unwritten rule? how pathetic. this reminds me of david stern canceling the chris paul trade to the lakers. were the people with power can do things without question. naniwa should have simply gotten talked to, and have been warned about his actions. being out of codeS is completely unfair and not in the rules. naniwa should stick up for himself. despite me not liking him, this is very wrong.
I don't see how this is wrong in any way. He didn't only disrespect GOMTV, but he disrespected the audience, Nestea, and the professional gaming industry. Players put a lot of hours and sacrifice many things to participate in the tournaments, because they expects others to do the same. If you've ever worked truly hard for something in your life, you would know how discouraging it is to have an opponent who simply doesn't give a crap. Whether written or unwritten, this is a matter of common sense and respect. How can anyone call himself a 'professional' if he can't get those basic things under control?
If you want e-sports to grow and gain the same recognition as other sports, you'd see the value in setting a high standard in professionalism and making an example out of those who aren't respecting this standard.
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This whole thing makes me wish there were objective rules (points, ranking, etc.) to see who got the two Code S invites - I don't see why there aren't.
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i still fail to understand how such an incredible misunderstanding could have occurred regarding the providence code s seed, when MLG is stating that a code s seed was awarded so blatantly gom must have been aware of this. this has to be outright dishonesty by Gom or extreme incompetence. If it is dishonesty then this is a very serious fuck you to MLG, the foreign scene as a whole and naniwa. If its incompetence then its a serious fuck you to every single player who was at Providence playing under the false impression that they were getting a code s spot.
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I think it should include an apology for the bad words against Naniwa. That was really uncalled for and unprofesional by Mr. Chae.
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This response is very unsatisfactory to me as a fan of the GSL.
It was already public knowledge that Naniwa had the Code S spot for January. Even if it was from a different system than the MLG partnership, this was EXACTLY direct punishment. If it hadn't been let known to the public who would get the spot, and after the incident they changed their minds and never let people know Naniwa would be in Code S, that would be changing consideration. What they did was change a decision that was already made based on the probe rush. That can't be anything other than direct punishment.
Secondly, they make no mention of fixing their format in future tournaments so that players won't be put in a situation to play meaningless games.
Sorry GOMTV. I'll still watch for free, but I won't be giving you any more money for a long time.
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On December 15 2011 06:57 Salteador Neo wrote:
I think it should include an apology for the bad words against Naniwa. That was really uncalled for and unprofesional by Mr. Chae.
You are wrong it got mistranslated, go do your research.
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