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jazzyjazz
Profile Joined October 2010
941 Posts
December 14 2011 22:00 GMT
#121
GOMTV, you're the best. You handled the situation well, maybe next time you can revoke Naniwa's code S spot at the same time you release the official press statement in order to avoid any confusion.
Eat emmmmmmmmmm
Keone
Profile Joined April 2011
United States812 Posts
December 14 2011 22:01 GMT
#122
On December 15 2011 06:43 Gin-san wrote:
That's actually a pretty lame response, just like i expected it. They think they're 100% correct and only blame NaNiwa. Hopefully Blizzard won't give the next SC2 contract to you but to KeSPA.

LLLLOOLLLL

What has the world come to?!?! People wanting KeSPA??? What's next, all progamers move to Romania for extensive SC2 training??? (no offense to the Romanians, though I doubt they'll understand nonetheless)

Anyway, though I don't agree with GOM's actions, this section definitely rings true:

Both Korean as well as international fans are important to us. We hope that no one gets the wrong picture and believes that NaNiWa is being treated disadvantageously because he is a foreigner. On the contrary, if a Korean had been involved in a similar incident, it is possible that a much harsher reaction would have followed. It is also very likely that the player's team would have taken firm action before the GSL could have even reacted to it.


If a Korean did this, I think the team would have probably kicked him/her off before GOM could even act. Those Korean teams don't take this kind of action nicely.
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jhk0219
Profile Joined March 2011
United States189 Posts
December 14 2011 22:01 GMT
#123
On December 15 2011 06:56 mememolly wrote:
GOM could at least say that their format sucked and say sorry for putting players in a situation where games don't matter, in European football sides will always put out a weak team when they don't consider the game worthy, that is the culture in Europe and they should realise this and cut the lad some slack, Inviting Sen and Idra after claiming high integrity is hilarious as well, they are happy to cash in off Idra's BM image but don't like it when the boot is on the other foot


Putting out a weak team is different than taking off your uniform and sitting down on the field, which is essentially what Naniwa did. In the OP, it says he a-moved 6 drones then let go of his keyboard. How can it get more disrespectful than this? Idra might leave games without saying gg, or complain about balance, but at least he has the common sense and the decency to TRY. Nestea probably practiced a ton in preparation for this tournament, and for Naniwa to do this, it's discrediting his efforts and refusing to respect him as a player.

Cultural difference is an unacceptable reason for acting disrespectfully. Even then, I'm sure the European coaches do not tell their professional football players to go sleep on the field just because they're not going to win the tournament.
pi_rate_pir_ate
Profile Joined April 2010
United States179 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 22:03:07
December 14 2011 22:01 GMT
#124
*Edit* seemingly answered above. Can someone confirm? Did he actually A move without any micro? *Edit*

I have a question about the game NaNiWa played against Nestea.


Did he micro his probes or simply stop them by Nestea?


The reason that I ask this, is that if he tried to win with his probe rush, I fail to see the distinction between this and a discouraged player cheesing his way out of a tournament.
Karthane
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1183 Posts
December 14 2011 22:01 GMT
#125
Good statement. Naniwa deserved it. Cant wait for next season with Idra and Sen in Code S
Insane
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States4991 Posts
December 14 2011 22:02 GMT
#126
I don't see how GOM can justify changing their rules without having announced anything and reintepreting what has been publicly known in order to do what they want. Why even bother have rules if you're just going to change them without notice in order to achieve whatever you want?
farnham
Profile Joined January 2011
1378 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 22:02:48
December 14 2011 22:02 GMT
#127
On December 15 2011 06:42 tarodotoxin wrote:
Show nested quote +
NaNiWa has however purposefully not tried his best and shown this in a disrespectful manner. This was not only disappointing for his opponent NesTea and the GSL, but also for the many fans who had anticipated a great match. This behavior does not match with the definition of a progamer as laid out in the paragraph above.


so the reason they gave is an unwritten rule? how pathetic.
this reminds me of david stern canceling the chris paul trade to the lakers. were the people with power can do things without question.

naniwa should have simply gotten talked to, and have been warned about his actions. being out of codeS is completely unfair and not in the rules. naniwa should stick up for himself. despite me not liking him, this is very wrong.


Excerpts of the korean civil law

제2조 (신의성실)

권리의 행사와 의무의 이행은 신의에 좇아 성실히 하여야 한다.
권리는 남용하지 못한다.

Paragraph 2 Good Faith

The execution of rights and the fulfillment of obligations shall be performed with accordance to good faith.
The abusement of rights are prohibited.

제390조 (채무불이행과 손해배상)

채무자가 채무의 내용에 좇은 이행을 하지 아니한 때에는채권자는 손해배상을 청구할 수 있다. 그러나 채무자의 고의나 과실없이 이행할 수 없게 된때에는 그러하지 아니하다.

Paragraph 390 Failure to fulfill obligations

If the debtor does not perform according to his obligations the creditor shall be entitled to claim damages. However if the fulfillment has become impossible due to circumstances without intent or negligence of the debtor this provision shall not apply.

제546조 (이행불능과 해제)

채무자의 책임있는 사유로 이행이 불능하게 된 때에는 채권자는 계약을 해제할 수 있다.

Paragraph 546 Inability of Performance and Termination

If the debtor is inable to perform his obligations the creditor shall be entitled to terminate the contract.

According to the korean judicature cases of faulty performance are handled the same as inability of performance if the cure of this breach is impossible.


So no its not unwritten rules

they handled the situation with accordance to the applicable rules of the korean civil code

On December 15 2011 07:02 Insane wrote:
I don't see how GOM can justify changing their rules without having announced anything and reintepreting what has been publicly known in order to do what they want. Why even bother have rules if you're just going to change them without notice in order to achieve whatever you want?

the rules they applied are the rules of the korean civil code. they did not create anything since there was no need to
trucane
Profile Joined January 2009
United States553 Posts
December 14 2011 22:02 GMT
#128
What a surprise that people here are defending GOM like this... Enjoy your new Kespa! Thankfully there are a lot of tournaments outside of korea to spare those of us not so blindly fooled by GOM
Iamyournoob
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany595 Posts
December 14 2011 22:02 GMT
#129
I am glad that the issue seems solved and every party has made moves to ease things up a bit.
Now we can all look forward to tomorrow's BlizzCup matches!
timmc
Profile Joined September 2011
Australia16 Posts
December 14 2011 22:02 GMT
#130
Pretty disgusted with GOMTV. It's clear Naniwa would have been given the seed ahead of Idra and Sen had it not been for the incident.
If you're gonna punish him make the rules first.
darkcloud8282
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada776 Posts
December 14 2011 22:02 GMT
#131
GOM clearly states in their post that there were no rules being violated. Then they go on to talk about how the code S seed was not actually awarded when that was clearly the case as part of the MLG/GSL exchange program.

How about admitting to having a faulty tournament format and accepting at least SOME blame in this mess? Using double standards when enforcing "rules" and making up punishments really hurts the credibility of the GSL.
Moralez
Profile Joined May 2011
Portugal1857 Posts
December 14 2011 22:02 GMT
#132
On December 15 2011 07:00 Derity wrote:
so why idra and sen?
why not stephano? did you even talk to him?

GomTv really failed to make clear that MLG Providence didn't give a Code S seed.



STEPHANO DOESN'T want to stay in korea

WOW he didnt get a code S spot INSTEAD he got a seed for the best tournament of the year DAMN!
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Soft`Soap
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada865 Posts
December 14 2011 22:02 GMT
#133
On December 15 2011 06:49 trucane wrote:
Bad statement because of the following.

1. No apology for slandering naniwa live
2. The whole giving seed to Sen/Idra based on performance when we know its because of their fan base ( stop lying and be honest for once)
3. Lying about the whole Naniwa Providence Seed part ( if you never gave him a code S spot then how the heck can you punish him by taking it away).

Sorry but there is no way i will ever support GOM in the future. I for one will vote with my wallet and not buy anymore tickets and I will tell all my friends to avoid it as well


Dude you are so not keeping up with things

1. pooface or w.e his name is admitted that there was an error with the translation and Mr. Chae NEVER offended naniwa live

2. Idra is getting spot for MLG Orlando and IEM guanzhou, while sen is getting the spot for blizzcon 2011. The reason why huk or haypro don't get a seed due to them placing higher than idra in providence is because gomtv said they would only give a code s spot if somebody that doesn't have code s places in TOP 4

3. This is the only thing that I'm curious about and I want to hear sundance's statement on this. Did he know that this was changed? why wasn't this communicated to everybody? is this even true?


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dacimvrl
Profile Joined December 2011
Vatican City State582 Posts
December 14 2011 22:02 GMT
#134
Dude, who are you kidding. MLG outright advertised code S invitation as a prize. Hello?

The statement reads: He didn't break any rules, but he hurt my feelings. I personally have more power than the rules, and I am willing to bend the rules so I can punish whoever I want.
NamespaceSTD
Profile Joined August 2010
United States5 Posts
December 14 2011 22:02 GMT
#135
I'm a long time lurker of the TL forums who has been closely following this incident these past few days, and I applaud GOMTV for their statement. They clearly explained their views and responded with an appropriate punishment. I hope that all the drama will now calm down now, and that the e-sports community will use this incident as an example of the importance respectfully and professionally in the future. E-sports is growing rapidly, and players need to learn that it is essential to act professionally and in the spirit of the game: "It's not whether you win or lose, but how you play the game".

Again, GJ GOMTV, and I look forward to GSL 2012!
Eppa!
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden4641 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 22:04:33
December 14 2011 22:02 GMT
#136
On December 15 2011 07:01 pi_rate_pir_ate wrote:
I have a question about the game NaNiWa played against Nestea.


Did he micro his probes or simply stop them by Nestea?


The reason that I ask this, is that if he tried to win with his probe rush, I fail to see the distinction between this and a discouraged player cheesing his way out of a tournament.

There is a guy that played 100+ with worker rushing. He said micro is not worth it.

This is silly. Gom TV should stop with the subjective BS. At most seed people into code A.
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Tommylew
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Wales2717 Posts
December 14 2011 22:02 GMT
#137
On December 15 2011 07:01 pi_rate_pir_ate wrote:
I have a question about the game NaNiWa played against Nestea.


Did he micro his probes or simply stop them by Nestea?


The reason that I ask this, is that if he tried to win with his probe rush, I fail to see the distinction between this and a discouraged player cheesing his way out of a tournament.


no he didnt, he actually lifted his hands of the keyboard after attack moving them lol
Live and Let Die!
Kazeyonoma
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2912 Posts
December 14 2011 22:02 GMT
#138
On December 15 2011 06:57 Chill wrote:
This whole thing makes me wish there were objective rules (points, ranking, etc.) to see who got the two Code S invites - I don't see why there aren't.


Probably because they're still working on a concrete system that works based on ranking of international scene, the problem is weighting of tournaments, do you give more points to IEM or MLG? What about Weekly Tournaments like Go4SC? What about dailies like Playhem? Or new tournaments that sprout up?

I'm positive they have staff trying to work out a system to properly analyze and fairly decide how to properly seed things, but for this first season, they already had in mind who were the candidates they would invite, and without a system already in place, the recent actions of Naniwa forced their hand at removing him from the list of players they would invite (at least for now). I mean, even the fact that Naniwa was going to be code S in 2012 Season 1, has NEVER been stated by Gom, it was speculation from fans, and maybe even a misunderstanding with MLG, but GOM has never outright come out and said, "these are the 2 players we're inviting to code S for our new format" despite them announcing the new format several weeks/months ago. THEY ONLY announced it NOW with Sen and IdrA.

I dunno, I want a fair system at play too, but I don't hate on Gom for what they've done today, I think they are handling this correctly as is Nani/QxG.

All this talk of tyranny, and other bullshit is just getting retarded. Welcome to the professional world where your actions are held accountable, this isn't some teenage bullshit, or that job flipping burgers where you have no accountability. People need to grow up and learn that.
I now have autographs of both BoxeR and NaDa. I can die happy. Lim Yo Hwan and Lee Yun Yeol FIGHTING forever!
movac
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada494 Posts
December 14 2011 22:02 GMT
#139
I gotta say that previously the code S spots were explicitly written as for code A champion and highest highest MLG results in the top 3 without already having a code S spot.

But when they released the chart for the new format, it doesn't explain how the code S seeds will be assigned, which probably meant that it will be given however they wish. only the up/down seeds were explicitly written for international players. Also possibility of code A seeds.
JinDesu
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3990 Posts
December 14 2011 22:02 GMT
#140
On December 15 2011 07:00 Derity wrote:
so why idra and sen?
why not stephano? did you even talk to him?

GomTv really failed to make clear that MLG Providence didn't give a Code S seed.


I believe Stephano has made a point that he does not want to play in Korea (GSL)

On December 15 2011 07:01 pi_rate_pir_ate wrote:
I have a question about the game NaNiWa played against Nestea.


Did he micro his probes or simply stop them by Nestea?


The reason that I ask this, is that if he tried to win with his probe rush, I fail to see the distinction between this and a discouraged player cheesing his way out of a tournament.


He did not. He a-moved. At least Nestea went mineral drill to surround the probes.
Yargh
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