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On December 15 2011 07:03 Moralez wrote: lol people comparing GOM with KESPA holy shit i gotta leave this thread >_<
This people would prob get a heart attack with KESPA rules."What do you mean I have to get a license?"
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On December 15 2011 07:04 Waxangel wrote:Hihi: Your Official AnnouncementShow nested quote +Pro Circuit Players Competing in the GSL
At MLG Columbus, the Top 3 non-Korean finishers will each be placed into GSL Code A. At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows:
Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, regardless of country of origin, who doesn't already have Code S status. What's up?
Great quote. Gomtv really has to answer to this.
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On December 15 2011 06:58 xbankx wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 06:49 trucane wrote: Bad statement because of the following.
1. No apology for slandering naniwa live 2. The whole giving seed to Sen/Idra based on performance when we know its because of their fan base ( stop lying and be honest for once) 3. Lying about the whole Naniwa Providence Seed part ( if you never gave him a code S spot then how the heck can you punish him by taking it away).
Sorry but there is no way i will ever support GOM in the future. I for one will vote with my wallet and not buy anymore tickets and I will tell all my friends to avoid it as well 1)Slander? You mean the Mr Chae post? The person who first posted the crappy translation already said he got it from another 3rd party source. A more accurate translation is posted and is not slandering at all. 2) If they went purely on fanbase, sen would not have been chosen. There are many players much more popular than sen. 3) If you read the post, they said its 2 seed invite system. Naniwa was considered to be on top of the list of invites due to his performance at MLG Providence. However, they removed him from that list after that throwing away game action which makes sense. Second at Providence only guaranteed an invite to Providence which he was given.
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people have read it and he has read it, that's why he's saying it's a "lie"
he's obviously saying that the GSL made the "2 seed invite system" too convenient when there have been articles on MLG and other sites claiming naniwa has been given a code S spot. Given that the article was on MLG site, the exchange program is between GSL and MLG and it's funny to see that one of the parties of the two was misled also funny that GSL didn't make any effort to correct any articles or interviews claiming such spot was given.
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On December 15 2011 07:04 Waxangel wrote:Hihi: Your Official AnnouncementShow nested quote +Pro Circuit Players Competing in the GSL
At MLG Columbus, the Top 3 non-Korean finishers will each be placed into GSL Code A. At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows:
Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, regardless of country of origin, who doesn't already have Code S status. What's up?
Lol Wax. Omg this is a farce really
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On December 15 2011 07:05 windsupernova wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 07:03 Moralez wrote: lol people comparing GOM with KESPA holy shit i gotta leave this thread >_< This people would prob get a heart attack with KESPA rules."What do you mean I have to get a license?" At least they have set rules.
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On December 15 2011 07:04 Waxangel wrote:Hihi: Your Official AnnouncementShow nested quote +Pro Circuit Players Competing in the GSL
At MLG Columbus, the Top 3 non-Korean finishers will each be placed into GSL Code A. At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows:
Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, regardless of country of origin, who doesn't already have Code S status. What's up?
Hihi: Source:
MLG is honored to announce a true game-changer for the world of competitive StarCraft 2. Beginning at MLG Columbus and continuing throughout the 2011 Season, Major League Gaming and the GOMTV Global StarCraft 2 League are establishing a League Exchange Program that will send the best MLG players to compete in the GSL, and allow top Korean talent to play live in the US.
Where were the 4 Korean invites to MLG Providence?
There were 2 MLG invites to Blizzard Cup, but no Koreans to Providence.
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I don't really buy it. What about all the other MLG events then? How does this constitute as a different situation?
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On December 15 2011 07:04 farnham wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 07:02 dacimvrl wrote: Dude, who are you kidding. MLG outright advertised code S invitation as a prize. Hello?
The statement reads: He didn't break any rules, but he hurt my feelings. I personally have more power than the rules, and I am willing to bend the rules so I can punish whoever I want. he did break contractual obligations according to the applicable law [Citation needed]
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I appreciate the explanation and agree with GOM's decision, but at the same time I feel the need to criticize GOM's lack of transparency concerning the rules and expectations prior to this incident.
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Good statement, thanks you GOMTV I hope now everybody can get over this whole 2 days of drama.
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Pretty disappointed with GOM, not gonna lie. The fact that they basically made up a rule on the spot in order to punish Nani sets a really dangerous precedent. This is some KeSPA shit... and by that, I mean this is something I'd expect from KeSPA, not GOM.
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Much respect to GOM. Naniwa threw a game that I'm sure nestea/naniwa fans were excited as all hell to see, simply because NANIWA decided it didn't matter. That's a shot to his own professionalism, his fans, the tournament organizers (he agreed to a format and then proceeded to piss all over it) and everything that Esports stands for. GOM has thrown out players for coinflipping LADDER games, something completely unrelated to GSL. Slayers pulled a player from the GSL after he cheated in an unrelated tournament. This is just how it works. Players are expected to respect not only each other, but the tournament format they agree to, as well as their fans. That's what being professional is all about. Naniwa has shown repeatedly that despite his talent, he is excessively self-centered when it comes to tournaments (NASL games vs strelok come to mind) and GOM is perfectly reasonable in deciding that he is not a good representative of the foreign community in their league.
And I sure as hell don't want someone who acts like a bratty child representing me, either. Which is why I hope Idra has grown up a bit since I last watched him.
On December 15 2011 07:07 iamahydralisk wrote: Pretty disappointed with GOM, not gonna lie. The fact that they basically made up a rule on the spot in order to punish Nani sets a really dangerous precedent. This is some KeSPA shit... and by that, I mean this is something I'd expect from KeSPA, not GOM.
Bro, it's their tournament, Naniwa agreed to the tournament format before it started, and then blatantly disrespected GOM, Nestea, and all of the fans by throwing a game- basically a temper tantrum- after being knocked out.
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On December 15 2011 07:04 farnham wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 07:02 dacimvrl wrote: Dude, who are you kidding. MLG outright advertised code S invitation as a prize. Hello?
The statement reads: He didn't break any rules, but he hurt my feelings. I personally have more power than the rules, and I am willing to bend the rules so I can punish whoever I want. he did break contractual obligations according to the applicable law
No side would ever bring law into this. It's all who's willing to take the negative PR and admit they're wrong. I find the entire contract argument pointless.
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EURO League Football, this evening, big deal millions of people are watching. Haifa - Schalke 04. Schalke was already through the group phase as 1st, Haifa fought for their spot for the next rount or being completely eliminated from the tournament (lol wtf is losers bracket?!). Schalke conserved a LOT of good players including Farfan, Huntelaar and even Raul. no one really complains. just something to think about... and those situations happen again and again for "profootballers".
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On December 15 2011 07:03 Tyrant0 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 06:59 Velr wrote:On December 15 2011 06:56 Tyrant0 wrote:On December 15 2011 06:52 Velr wrote:On December 15 2011 06:50 Tyrant0 wrote:On December 15 2011 06:47 Velr wrote:On December 15 2011 06:43 Gin-san wrote: That's actually a pretty lame response, just like i expected it. They think they're 100% correct and only blame NaNiwa. Hopefully Blizzard won't give the next SC2 contract to you but to KeSPA. That is probably because factually they are 100% correct. Having a "pointless" game in the tournament is not "good" but is not part of the issue. Naniwas unprofessional behaviour is. And Naniwa takes 100% of the heat and GOMtv none. Naniwa is the villain who should apologize and have his balls clipped. All this did is further empower GOM as a league above all of SC2 esports, intentional or not, and fans/players are willing to sit back and take it. GOM IS NOT AT FAULT. Bitch all you want, but GOM IS NOT AT FAULT. Thats why Naniwa/Quantic made an excuse and GOM is only writing an explanation. GOM IS NOT AT FAULT. Also: The punishment isn't really "hard".. A Korean probably would get a livetime ban for doing something like this... GOM had no rules against it. They had inconsequential matches. This NEVER happened in GSL, because when a match goes 2-0 you don't play the third. The one time it did happen it was blatant match fixing and punished. They hyped the drama towards Naniwa. Naniwa/Quantic are making an excuse because they'll probably never fight with a league to save face with PR, but the fans aren't reserved to that luxury. And I probably wouldn't agree with any punishment a Korean might have received. Losing a match on purpose is against everything any competetive sport is, let alone a professional sport. He even got paid to play this match. If you need a written rule against matchfixing/dropping, i'm sorry for you. No logical competitor would lose a match on purpose unless it didn't count for anything. Besides, Mr Chae doesn't care about competition. You can throw a match as long as it's entertaining; it perfectly fits his twisted definition of a pro gamer that completely encapsulates GOM's financial incentive as a business.
See.. For GOM and tons of other people this match counted for something.
And yes, it is a business, what do you think were all the money comes from? What Naniwa did is the one thing a professional player should never do, regardless of which sport and he got punished for it.
I'm out... Staggering how many people don't "get" the problem with Naniwas action...
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Idra brings the fans of an entire country (Taiwan) Idra brings fans of an entire country (USA) Stephano is one of many european pro gamers that stand a chance. Sen and Idra are the best from their respective countries and will bring more viewes.
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It is quite interesting how the Code S spots have changed from how they were originally intended to be used and advertised. A lot of people recall reading that Nani won a Code S spot for January, not this "seed" idea you keep talking about. This whole situation has no logic in it once so ever, emotion has completely taken over.
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This is just making things worse in my eyes, it was made very clear everywhere that the highest placing player would receive Code S and now they deny this. What GSL has done now is way worse than Naniwa's actions.
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On December 15 2011 06:33 GOMTV wrote: Dear Teamliquid.net users,
Time really flies - we have already reached the Semifinals of the Blizzard Cup. We wish to conclude a great year of StarCraft II with the Blizzard Cup and hope everyone was able to enjoy some of the great matches we've had so far.
There seems to be great confusion regarding an incident involving NaNiWa that took place on the second day of Blizzard Cup. We would like to clarify this matter and hereby announce our official stance towards the incident.
1. GSL's stance toward the NaNiWa incident
Not only progamers, but professional athletes in every sports prove and showcase their skill through the game and by doing so entertain their fans. Since professional athletes do this for a living, competing in tournaments is a means to make money in order to sustain themselves. While money is an essential factor in a professional athlete’s life, it is the sincere competitive spirit that enables a mere athlete to become a professional athlete. This spirit entails the will to improve, work hard and try one's best no matter what. It also encompasses a mutual respect between those who share the title of professional athlete, which consequently leads to a certain code of professional conduct. It is this underlying competitive spirit, which goes beyond and is unrelated to any amount of prize money, of every professional athlete that touches and entertains many fans. We believe that the reason why so many people are such avid fans of baseball, soccer or e-sports has next to nothing to do with money. Korean e-sports fans generally share this understanding of the term 'professional athlete’ or in this case 'progamer', and might be less likely to tolerate a deviation from these core values compared to overseas communities.
A lot of people share the opinion that NaNiWa has not broken any rules and should therefore not receive any punishment.
It is true that NaNiWa has not taken actions that break any explicit rules, like for example using a cheat to gain an unfair advantage. NaNiWa has however purposefully not tried his best and shown this in a disrespectful manner. This was not only disappointing for his opponent NesTea and the GSL, but also for the many fans who had anticipated a great match. This behavior does not match with the definition of a progamer as laid out in the paragraph above.
We do however not doubt the sincerity of NaNiWa's competitive spirit. NaNiWa has come the long way to Korea just to compete in the GSL after all. We know very well how hard it is and the determination it takes to come to a foreign country and take the challenge to compete.
We want to make clear that NaNiWa will not be banned from the GSL for his actions. We will however revoke his candidacy for a Code S seed, which means that he will have to requalify for the GSL.
This is going in circles.
There are many scenarios where athletes do not try their best and give up especially when there is a blow out. You seem to be missing that part in your description of professional athletes. For they themselves are human beings.
They want to WIN and only that. They are allowed to get frustrated and they do when they are losing.
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