EPTYou're causing a fuss over nothing and flaming a company that stuck their neck out for SCII and has done a SHIT TONNE to get the foreign community into korean esports, seriously, all of you, grow the fuck up insted of just spouting idiocy out of your mouths before even applying any foreknowledge at all...
GOMTV Announcement regarding NaNiWa - Page 11
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enecateReAP
United Kingdom378 Posts
You're causing a fuss over nothing and flaming a company that stuck their neck out for SCII and has done a SHIT TONNE to get the foreign community into korean esports, seriously, all of you, grow the fuck up insted of just spouting idiocy out of your mouths before even applying any foreknowledge at all... | ||
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pi_rate_pir_ate
United States179 Posts
On December 15 2011 07:02 JinDesu wrote: I believe Stephano has made a point that he does not want to play in Korea (GSL) He did not. He a-moved. At least Nestea went mineral drill to surround the probes. Thank you! I wish I could have watched the games. I'm still a little confused about whether he had already been awarded the Code S or whether it was "under consideration." If it had been awarded, then it is clearly a punishment and GomTV is lying. This would seem completely unnecessary, because obviously you can't have players deliberately throwing games because that would make match-fixing motive based rather than fact based. GomTV did mention this last point in their statement. So my remaining question: Had Code S been officially awarded to NaNiWa? Is there digital or hard proof of this fact? | ||
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Kazeyonoma
United States2912 Posts
On December 15 2011 07:08 Flondra wrote: Why didn't GOMTV clear up the misunderstanding with the Code S spot long time ago? Seems convenient that they let that "misunderstanding" flow through the community and only now clear it up. Because Gom is supposed to address every rumor that flies around? Gom never publicly stated Naniwa was given a Code S, speculation did. | ||
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Blacklizard
United States1194 Posts
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Xalorian
Canada433 Posts
There is still a lot of bullshit in this. NANIWA DID LOSE IS CODE S SPOT. He was not just a "candidate"... He himself knew that he would have the spot, we all knew it. It was on Gomtv and MLG... If it was an invite or the MLG/GSL exchange, who care? The point is because of what he did during Blizzard Cup (NOT GSL, BLIZZARD CUP!) he just lost is spot. And, you can't punish someone for a rule that was not explicit and hope that the community will all be right with it. You warn him, and then you add a new rule, and it never happen again. Simple right? I will ask for a refund for my GSL ticket, and will harass their sponsors about it... until Naniwa is back in Code S, by a seed or is own way through Code A... I will not follow GSL and will mail their sponsors and blizzard each freaking day until Naniwa got what he went to Korea for. They have the right to do want they want since it's their tournament, but I have the right to be against such a harsh punishement. | ||
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decaf
Austria1797 Posts
While money is an essential factor in a professional athlete’s life, it is the sincere competitive spirit that enables a mere athlete to become a professional athlete. No, it's the fact that you receive money for playing the game that makes you a progamer - no matter how good you are or what your intentions are. Most of their reasoning is based on korean culture, but they forget that it's a global league. Good statement from GOM, though. | ||
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m0ck
4194 Posts
On December 15 2011 07:05 farnham wrote: Even if that was true Gom is entitled to terminate the current contractual relationship with naniwa But they've informed no-one of the change. Don't you think a player who is establishing himself in korea on the basis of competing in code S, with the spot that he won at MLG Providence, deserves to be informed that GOM have changed their rules and that he is no longer directly qualified? Should their business partner mlg be informed? Frankly, it makes no sense. If we are to believe GOM, they've fundamentally changed the system of qualification for their code S tournament, yet neglected to inform anyone (the player affected, his team, their american counter-part, the community) of the changes. | ||
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zakmaa
Canada525 Posts
On December 15 2011 06:43 chipmonklord17 wrote: Does this mean for all code S events or just GSL 2012 Season 1 Code S? What it means is that NaNiwa will have to re-qualify through GSL. If he gets through Prelims into Up/Down then gets far into Up/Down he can still get into Jan Code S, AFAIK. | ||
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rd
United States2586 Posts
On December 15 2011 07:07 Velr wrote: See.. For GOM and tons of other people this match counted for something. And yes, it is a business, what do you think were all the money comes from? What Naniwa did is the one thing a professional player should never do, regardless of which sport and he got punished for it. I'm out... Staggering how many people don't "get" the problem with Naniwas action... And you're basically facilitating that players throwing games less transparently through 4gates/6gates/2raxSCV is a better alternative. It's amazing how much people are willing to accept GOM taking so much power for themselves. It's staggering how many people like you think everyone wanted Naniwa to throw a game. Of course what he fucking did was wrong. It doesn't mean GOM's response isn't an over the fucking top reaction. | ||
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mtn
729 Posts
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On December 15 2011 06:52 Velr wrote: GOM IS NOT AT FAULT. Bitch all you want, but GOM IS NOT AT FAULT. Thats why Naniwa/Quantic made an excuse and GOM is only writing an explanation. GOM IS NOT AT FAULT. Also: The punishment isn't really "hard".. A Korean probably would get a livetime ban for doing something like this... Where did Naniwa and Quantic make an excuse? Excuse me. ._. It was a formal apology and nowhere did I read any excuse. They owned up to it. | ||
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Eee
Sweden2712 Posts
Yeah, how does GOM explain this? | ||
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farnham
1378 Posts
On December 15 2011 07:11 Blacklizard wrote: Too harsh. Korean opinion is one thing... but GOMTV is making tons of money from the Western world. Suddenly pulling a decision like this should not fly with those from the USA, and I assume other countries that value the individual above the group. if you breach contractual obligations in the USA you will have to reimburse damages and you might get your current contract terminated same with europe. | ||
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SC2NeCro
Canada507 Posts
On December 15 2011 07:10 101998 wrote: Thanks for making my decision not to ever watch a GOM event again easy. I was going back and forth on it but this post seals the deal. Also, I love how in GSL October Up and Down group C you didn't have the last two matches played because they wouldn't have effected the result but you go ahead and have Naniwa and Nestea play under the same situtation. GOM showing who the true joke trounament is. Oh wow, the truth comes out to light. This is extremely hypocritical. | ||
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Baalthersar
Germany239 Posts
Sure he is not employed by GOM/GSL he is more like a contractor. By entering the tournament he agreed to compete/ deliver. He didn't and in a very "in your face, i don't care about you because it doesn't concern me and I will not get anything out of it" style. By that he forced a response out of Gom/GSL, because it was a scheduled and broadcastet match. It was hyped by various sources, his new team nontheless. Sure he thought it was no big deal, but try to see the bigger picture, not just his perspective. It is a business world. Sponsers of teams and leagues might get the wrong picture (he is unprofessional, and to some degree sc2 is unprofessional). He made the tournament, the organisation and his team look bad. Depending on the reaction to this event potential sponsors might say, "we don't invest in something that tolerates such behavior". Existing sponsors might cut on their future investment in sc2 and so on. In addition he pissed of a lot of koreans, which are the maine source of income for GOM/GSL, viewer numbers might drop which is the main reason why korean companies or branches might invest in GOM/GSL. So he forces GOM/GSL to act and to keep their face. Especially because this isn't a small online tournament. It is abig one. With big numbers, big prizes at a prime time of the year. The best of the best in sc2. I don't know what happend between him and the GOM/GSL employees on a personal level, but it seems they wanted him to play the game, period. He did his probe rush. Which to some degree isn't the real issue, the issue it seems is the way he performed it. he moved and GG'd. that is not work perfomance you want in a contractor. If you hire somebody to build you a house and he just put up 4 walls and a roof you would be pissed. He might argue it is a house because there are 4 walls and roof, you still might want to argue that no door, no interior walls, no attic or cellar and no windows is straight up not a house you want.You didn't want a castle but the product in the end is just crap. As reaction the first thing you do is blacklist the guy at least for yourself and make sure that you don't work with him anymore. And this is just an example I know sc is not about building houses, but I think my point is clear. To all saying "it didn't matter, it was a pointless, it shouldn't have been played/broadcasted, best of one's are just stupid". Wrong. Because he knew the tournament format. He knew that GOM/GSL wanted him to play and he still did not deliver even the illusion of playing competitively. Nobody expected that he pulled out his absolute best, but he failed at showing that he has the work ethic to compete in this kind of enviroment. That wasn't even 70% effotr or 50, that was plain 0%. The logical reaction is to cut him, atleast for a period of time. Until he proves that he can actually be professional. I'm not saying that harsh words are the way to go, but business wise it is the only real option. Not because he is a bad player, which he is not. e had three good games in this tounament but he showed he is not reliabel to see things through, to the end. And what is whith all that "boycott the GSL/GOM, it's a conspiracy, they only do this because they don't like them, theare a bunch of racists". That is just infantile and has nothing to do with the real world. He made a mistake and has to pay the price. In the real worls if you screw up you have to life with the consequences and he is real lucky if not getting the code s seat is the only backlash of this incident. A slap on the wrist is not enough for these cirmustances. Please people grow up. | ||
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Swiv
Germany3674 Posts
On December 15 2011 07:08 Velr wrote: This is not nearly the same and if you don't see why you might should see a doctor or a person with a working brain. you might want to elaborate your foul accusation instead of just accusing? | ||
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diophan
United States1018 Posts
On December 15 2011 07:10 101998 wrote: Thanks for making my decision not to ever watch a GOM event again easy. I was going back and forth on it but this post seals the deal. Also, I love how in GSL October Up and Down group C you didn't have the last two matches played because they wouldn't have effected the result but you go ahead and have Naniwa and Nestea play under the same situtation. GOM showing who the true joke trounament is. Sorry GOM tried to provide an entertaining format to the viewers by having all these amazing matches played  | ||
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KAkos MAgos
Greece47 Posts
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pi_rate_pir_ate
United States179 Posts
On December 15 2011 07:10 enecateReAP wrote: You're all so childish, just live and let go, please. You're causing a fuss over nothing and flaming a company that stuck their neck out for SCII and has done a SHIT TONNE to get the foreign community into korean esports, seriously, all of you, grow the fuck up insted of just spouting idiocy out of your mouths before even applying any foreknowledge at all... No, that is an insane policy for response to possible corporate corruption. It isn't childish to consider whether someone has done something harmful to another person. This is precisely what GomTV has done to NaNiWa, and now they are in the court of public opinion. There is no reason that they shouldn't bear up under critical analysis if they have acted properly. | ||
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taLbuk
Madagascar1879 Posts
On December 15 2011 07:11 Kazeyonoma wrote: Because Gom is supposed to address every rumor that flies around? Gom never publicly stated Naniwa was given a Code S, speculation did. Are you kidding? It was plastered everywhere that the MLG providence winner gets a Code S seed, and since Leenock was already Code S that it gets awarded to the next highest finishing non-korean resident. Sure Gom never officially said he got a seed but they led MLG to believe which led us all to believe. | ||
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