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Hey, GOMTV. You're just failing here. Your first statement regarding why naniwa was being denied his code S spot cited a rule that you had, and now you say,"It is true that NaNiWa has not taken actions that break any explicit rules." You shouldn't be able to do that. Furthermore, get your damn MLG partnership straight. It is either MLG or GSL's fault, but MLG TOLD US ALL that Nani would get a code S spot and NO announcement was made about changing the format. So you (or MLG) has misled us all. I've lost respect for GOM over this, perhaps some other organization should handle player-GOM relations, as GOM seems to be fine with breaking their own rules.
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On December 15 2011 07:09 dignitas.merz wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 06:43 Gin-san wrote:
That's actually a pretty lame response, just like i expected it. They think they're 100% correct and only blame NaNiwa. Hopefully Blizzard won't give the next SC2 contract to you but to KeSPA. Haha, really, people throw around so much crap and don't have a clue about what they are asking for. KeSPA, as an organisation who have helped e-sports grow and mature in Korea, is GREAT. But KeSPA is also very strict and overly fucking protective of what they do. Had this been KeSPA, Naniwa would've been banned from any further competition in the GSL in the blink of an eye. So no, you should be thanking your lucky star that KeSPA is not running the show.
Yup, but at least everyone would know the rules prior. They make it abundantly clear as to what you can and cannot do. It's all written in their rules and its crystal clear.
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On December 15 2011 07:12 diophan wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 07:10 101998 wrote:
Thanks for making my decision not to ever watch a GOM event again easy. I was going back and forth on it but this post seals the deal.
Also, I love how in GSL October Up and Down group C you didn't have the last two matches played because they wouldn't have effected the result but you go ahead and have Naniwa and Nestea play under the same situtation. GOM showing who the true joke trounament is. Sorry GOM tried to provide an entertaining format to the viewers by having all these amazing matches played 
You discredit GOM entirely. It's difficult to imagine the complexity of the code a/code s/up and down systems are both for proving who the best players in the world are, but also to provide maximum content to drive viewers, and that they couldn't have done the same for blizzard cup. Add a fucking losers bracket, you get twice the matches played, twice the entertainment, twice the great stories of a player coming through the lower bracket to win. Instead they make the same mistake IPL made and MLG avoids by televising pointless matches.
They fucked up.
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On December 15 2011 06:43 Moralez wrote:
I <3 GOMTV
that pretty much sums it up  thx for clarifying!
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On December 15 2011 07:13 HappyChris wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 07:13 JinDesu wrote:On December 15 2011 07:10 pi_rate_pir_ate wrote:On December 15 2011 07:02 JinDesu wrote:On December 15 2011 07:00 Derity wrote:
so why idra and sen?
why not stephano? did you even talk to him?
GomTv really failed to make clear that MLG Providence didn't give a Code S seed. I believe Stephano has made a point that he does not want to play in Korea (GSL) On December 15 2011 07:01 pi_rate_pir_ate wrote:
I have a question about the game NaNiWa played against Nestea.
Did he micro his probes or simply stop them by Nestea?
The reason that I ask this, is that if he tried to win with his probe rush, I fail to see the distinction between this and a discouraged player cheesing his way out of a tournament. He did not. He a-moved. At least Nestea went mineral drill to surround the probes. Thank you! I wish I could have watched the games. I'm still a little confused about whether he had already been awarded the Code S or whether it was "under consideration." If it had been awarded, then it is clearly a punishment and GomTV is lying. This would seem completely unnecessary, because obviously you can't have players deliberately throwing games because that would make match-fixing motive based rather than fact based. GomTV did mention this last point in their statement. So my remaining question: Had Code S been officially awarded to NaNiWa? Is there digital or hard proof of this fact? There has never been, as far as I know, a GOMTV announcement that Naniwa gets Code S. Read Waxangels post
My point is: GOMTV, after MLG Providence, has never announced Naniwa to get the Code S.
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I'm still very dissapointed at GOM, they should atleast give naniwa an excuse for their bad behavior.. this is just poor.. poor GOM!
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On December 15 2011 07:09 JinDesu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 07:08 Waxangel wrote:On December 15 2011 07:06 Jackle wrote:On December 15 2011 07:04 Waxangel wrote:Hihi: Your Official AnnouncementPro Circuit Players Competing in the GSL
At MLG Columbus, the Top 3 non-Korean finishers will each be placed into GSL Code A.
At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows:
Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, regardless of country of origin, who doesn't already have Code S status. What's up? Hihi: Source:MLG is honored to announce a true game-changer for the world of competitive StarCraft 2. Beginning at MLG Columbus and continuing throughout the 2011 Season, Major League Gaming and the GOMTV Global StarCraft 2 League are establishing a League Exchange Program that will send the best MLG players to compete in the GSL, and allow top Korean talent to play live in the US. Where were the 4 Korean invites to MLG Providence? I love creative wording :D It is an exchange program though.
there were 4 MLG's and the Providence one
these are the GSL seeds awarded:
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/GSL-MLG_Exchange_Program
MLG has been sending more koreans to MLG than GSL has sent foreigners
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On December 15 2011 07:12 Eee wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 07:04 Waxangel wrote:Hihi: Your Official AnnouncementPro Circuit Players Competing in the GSL
At MLG Columbus, the Top 3 non-Korean finishers will each be placed into GSL Code A.
At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows:
Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, regardless of country of origin, who doesn't already have Code S status. What's up? Yeah, how does GOM explain this?
It doesn't say when this partnership stop. It stopped just before MLG Providence due to changes in GSL format for 2012.
Here you go.
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On December 15 2011 07:14 Kazeyonoma wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 07:12 Eee wrote:On December 15 2011 07:04 Waxangel wrote:Hihi: Your Official AnnouncementPro Circuit Players Competing in the GSL
At MLG Columbus, the Top 3 non-Korean finishers will each be placed into GSL Code A.
At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows:
Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, regardless of country of origin, who doesn't already have Code S status. What's up? Yeah, how does GOM explain this? Because in the MLG agreement, they also state that they'll send over 4 korean invites every tournament in 2011 as well but did not in providence, maybe this assumed then that no LXG was going to happen as a result of Providence. That's the way I interpret it. Why is it that people are picking apart an agreement of GSL side but ignoring that MLG didn't do their part for that tournament either, and thus voided the LXG participation across the board for this tournament?
Exactly, people are nit-picking at GOM's announcement, but fail to see MLG didn't keep it's promise of 4 Korean invites either
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On December 15 2011 07:14 Kazeyonoma wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 07:12 Eee wrote:On December 15 2011 07:04 Waxangel wrote:Hihi: Your Official AnnouncementPro Circuit Players Competing in the GSL
At MLG Columbus, the Top 3 non-Korean finishers will each be placed into GSL Code A.
At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows:
Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, regardless of country of origin, who doesn't already have Code S status. What's up? Yeah, how does GOM explain this? Because in the MLG agreement, they also state that they'll send over 4 korean invites every tournament in 2011 as well but did not in providence, maybe this assumed then that no LXG was going to happen as a result of Providence. That's the way I interpret it. Why is it that people are picking apart an agreement of GSL side but ignoring that MLG didn't do their part for that tournament either, and thus voided the LXG participation across the board for this tournament?
MLG paid for Bomber, MMA, MVP, and MC for providence.
http://pro.majorleaguegaming.com/news/mc-mma-bomber-and-mvp-to-mlg-providence
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On December 15 2011 07:16 JinDesu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 07:13 HappyChris wrote:On December 15 2011 07:13 JinDesu wrote:On December 15 2011 07:10 pi_rate_pir_ate wrote:On December 15 2011 07:02 JinDesu wrote:On December 15 2011 07:00 Derity wrote:
so why idra and sen?
why not stephano? did you even talk to him?
GomTv really failed to make clear that MLG Providence didn't give a Code S seed. I believe Stephano has made a point that he does not want to play in Korea (GSL) On December 15 2011 07:01 pi_rate_pir_ate wrote:
I have a question about the game NaNiWa played against Nestea.
Did he micro his probes or simply stop them by Nestea?
The reason that I ask this, is that if he tried to win with his probe rush, I fail to see the distinction between this and a discouraged player cheesing his way out of a tournament. He did not. He a-moved. At least Nestea went mineral drill to surround the probes. Thank you! I wish I could have watched the games. I'm still a little confused about whether he had already been awarded the Code S or whether it was "under consideration." If it had been awarded, then it is clearly a punishment and GomTV is lying. This would seem completely unnecessary, because obviously you can't have players deliberately throwing games because that would make match-fixing motive based rather than fact based. GomTV did mention this last point in their statement. So my remaining question: Had Code S been officially awarded to NaNiWa? Is there digital or hard proof of this fact? There has never been, as far as I know, a GOMTV announcement that Naniwa gets Code S. Read Waxangels post My point is: GOMTV, after MLG Providence, has never announced Naniwa to get the Code S.
But does that make it okay for GOM to lead MLG to believe that the winner gets Code S spot, thus leading MLG to use that fact to make their league seem more lucrative to not only play in but to watch?
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I like how when they mention Sen's accomplishments they decide to completely ignore the fact that he got 3rd at NASL. It's amusing that they just pretend that tournament doesn't exist.
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they should have give him a warning , bit harsh to ban him in my opinion
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On December 15 2011 07:16 JinDesu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 07:13 HappyChris wrote:On December 15 2011 07:13 JinDesu wrote:On December 15 2011 07:10 pi_rate_pir_ate wrote:On December 15 2011 07:02 JinDesu wrote:On December 15 2011 07:00 Derity wrote:
so why idra and sen?
why not stephano? did you even talk to him?
GomTv really failed to make clear that MLG Providence didn't give a Code S seed. I believe Stephano has made a point that he does not want to play in Korea (GSL) On December 15 2011 07:01 pi_rate_pir_ate wrote:
I have a question about the game NaNiWa played against Nestea.
Did he micro his probes or simply stop them by Nestea?
The reason that I ask this, is that if he tried to win with his probe rush, I fail to see the distinction between this and a discouraged player cheesing his way out of a tournament. He did not. He a-moved. At least Nestea went mineral drill to surround the probes. Thank you! I wish I could have watched the games. I'm still a little confused about whether he had already been awarded the Code S or whether it was "under consideration." If it had been awarded, then it is clearly a punishment and GomTV is lying. This would seem completely unnecessary, because obviously you can't have players deliberately throwing games because that would make match-fixing motive based rather than fact based. GomTV did mention this last point in their statement. So my remaining question: Had Code S been officially awarded to NaNiWa? Is there digital or hard proof of this fact? There has never been, as far as I know, a GOMTV announcement that Naniwa gets Code S. Read Waxangels post My point is: GOMTV, after MLG Providence, has never announced Naniwa to get the Code S.
But they did allrdy announce it get it?
They didnt announce MMA or DRG got a spot when they won there code S in the MLG exchange program
Hihi: Your Official Announcement
Pro Circuit Players Competing in the GSL
At MLG Columbus, the Top 3 non-Korean finishers will each be placed into GSL Code A.
At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows:
Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, regardless of country of origin, who doesn't already have Code S status.
this says it all Naniwa won a code S spot. Acording to there own rules.
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Sure, go ahead and change your rules and invitations and use them arbitrarily whenever you wish. We'll see how long it takes for everyone to get tired with Mr. Chae, thinking he's entitled to be the supreme boss of SC2 esports.
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On December 15 2011 07:16 illsick wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 07:09 JinDesu wrote:On December 15 2011 07:08 Waxangel wrote:On December 15 2011 07:06 Jackle wrote:On December 15 2011 07:04 Waxangel wrote:Hihi: Your Official AnnouncementPro Circuit Players Competing in the GSL
At MLG Columbus, the Top 3 non-Korean finishers will each be placed into GSL Code A.
At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows:
Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, regardless of country of origin, who doesn't already have Code S status. What's up? Hihi: Source:MLG is honored to announce a true game-changer for the world of competitive StarCraft 2. Beginning at MLG Columbus and continuing throughout the 2011 Season, Major League Gaming and the GOMTV Global StarCraft 2 League are establishing a League Exchange Program that will send the best MLG players to compete in the GSL, and allow top Korean talent to play live in the US. Where were the 4 Korean invites to MLG Providence? I love creative wording :D It is an exchange program though. there were 4 MLG's and the Providence one these are the GSL seeds awarded: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/GSL-MLG_Exchange_ProgramMLG has been sending more koreans to MLG than GSL has sent foreigners
That's not updated. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_Global_StarCraft_II_League_August/Code_A
Thorzain, Naniwa, Fenix and Sase were invited to August.
Sjow, Naniwa, Select and Sase were invited to October
and Naniwa and Sase were invited in November.
You fail to see that MLG got the short end of the stick, and people were declining Code A invites. A lot of foriegners don't want to stay in Korea for a month, as opposed to Koreans who go to a weekend tournament. That's MLGs fault for not pushing for more.
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On December 15 2011 07:10 Jackle wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 07:07 zeru wrote:no, but it states that code S spot will be awarded at every MLG in 2011, no exceptions. doesnt matter if 4 koreans were sent or not. read what he linked. MLG Announcement"GSL Pro Players Competing on the MLG Pro Circuit MLG will invite four Korean pro players to each Pro Circuit Live Competition."
I thought that anyone and everyone could compete in MLG.
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Do people really think it's fair that Naniwa get a Code S spot from Providence when he only won 3 Bo3s and lost 1 extended Bo7? It's not like the other Pro Circuits where people had to go through the open bracket or at least place high in pool play.
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On December 15 2011 07:16 JinDesu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 07:13 HappyChris wrote:On December 15 2011 07:13 JinDesu wrote:On December 15 2011 07:10 pi_rate_pir_ate wrote:On December 15 2011 07:02 JinDesu wrote:On December 15 2011 07:00 Derity wrote:
so why idra and sen?
why not stephano? did you even talk to him?
GomTv really failed to make clear that MLG Providence didn't give a Code S seed. I believe Stephano has made a point that he does not want to play in Korea (GSL) On December 15 2011 07:01 pi_rate_pir_ate wrote:
I have a question about the game NaNiWa played against Nestea.
Did he micro his probes or simply stop them by Nestea?
The reason that I ask this, is that if he tried to win with his probe rush, I fail to see the distinction between this and a discouraged player cheesing his way out of a tournament. He did not. He a-moved. At least Nestea went mineral drill to surround the probes. Thank you! I wish I could have watched the games. I'm still a little confused about whether he had already been awarded the Code S or whether it was "under consideration." If it had been awarded, then it is clearly a punishment and GomTV is lying. This would seem completely unnecessary, because obviously you can't have players deliberately throwing games because that would make match-fixing motive based rather than fact based. GomTV did mention this last point in their statement. So my remaining question: Had Code S been officially awarded to NaNiWa? Is there digital or hard proof of this fact? There has never been, as far as I know, a GOMTV announcement that Naniwa gets Code S. Read Waxangels post My point is: GOMTV, after MLG Providence, has never announced Naniwa to get the Code S.
they never have for any of them... it was awlays MLG who did it... so yeh stop trying to defend a lost cause..
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OP is a good post, but the fact that they suddenly say that Naniwa never had code S means that they're not comfortable with their own decision. Everyone knew Nani was code S and that Idra was going to the up and downs, it's sad you have to rewrite history in order to justify your actions.
Btw, if Idra was going to get a code S spot, I doubt GOM would have waited that much time to announce what is a potential mass ticket seller.
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