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On December 15 2011 07:20 Michaels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 07:17 Nighthawks28 wrote:On December 15 2011 07:14 Kazeyonoma wrote:On December 15 2011 07:12 Eee wrote:On December 15 2011 07:04 Waxangel wrote:Hihi: Your Official AnnouncementPro Circuit Players Competing in the GSL
At MLG Columbus, the Top 3 non-Korean finishers will each be placed into GSL Code A.
At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows:
Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, regardless of country of origin, who doesn't already have Code S status. What's up? Yeah, how does GOM explain this? Because in the MLG agreement, they also state that they'll send over 4 korean invites every tournament in 2011 as well but did not in providence, maybe this assumed then that no LXG was going to happen as a result of Providence. That's the way I interpret it. Why is it that people are picking apart an agreement of GSL side but ignoring that MLG didn't do their part for that tournament either, and thus voided the LXG participation across the board for this tournament? MLG paid for Bomber, MMA, MVP, and MC for providence. http://pro.majorleaguegaming.com/news/mc-mma-bomber-and-mvp-to-mlg-providence They invite all their champions from past events.
MC didn't win an MLG. Huk did, but wasn't 'invited' by MLG as he wasn't Korean.
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On December 15 2011 07:01 pi_rate_pir_ate wrote:
*Edit* seemingly answered above. Can someone confirm? Did he actually A move without any micro? *Edit*
I have a question about the game NaNiWa played against Nestea.
Did he micro his probes or simply stop them by Nestea?
The reason that I ask this, is that if he tried to win with his probe rush, I fail to see the distinction between this and a discouraged player cheesing his way out of a tournament.
I saw the video. He completely took his hand off the keyboard, and rested his head against his right hand (keyboard hand). He sent his 6 probes to Nestea's base and he did not micro at all.
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On December 15 2011 07:18 HappyChris wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 07:16 JinDesu wrote:On December 15 2011 07:13 HappyChris wrote:On December 15 2011 07:13 JinDesu wrote:On December 15 2011 07:10 pi_rate_pir_ate wrote:On December 15 2011 07:02 JinDesu wrote:On December 15 2011 07:00 Derity wrote:
so why idra and sen?
why not stephano? did you even talk to him?
GomTv really failed to make clear that MLG Providence didn't give a Code S seed. I believe Stephano has made a point that he does not want to play in Korea (GSL) On December 15 2011 07:01 pi_rate_pir_ate wrote:
I have a question about the game NaNiWa played against Nestea.
Did he micro his probes or simply stop them by Nestea?
The reason that I ask this, is that if he tried to win with his probe rush, I fail to see the distinction between this and a discouraged player cheesing his way out of a tournament. He did not. He a-moved. At least Nestea went mineral drill to surround the probes. Thank you! I wish I could have watched the games. I'm still a little confused about whether he had already been awarded the Code S or whether it was "under consideration." If it had been awarded, then it is clearly a punishment and GomTV is lying. This would seem completely unnecessary, because obviously you can't have players deliberately throwing games because that would make match-fixing motive based rather than fact based. GomTV did mention this last point in their statement. So my remaining question: Had Code S been officially awarded to NaNiWa? Is there digital or hard proof of this fact? There has never been, as far as I know, a GOMTV announcement that Naniwa gets Code S. Read Waxangels post My point is: GOMTV, after MLG Providence, has never announced Naniwa to get the Code S. But they did allrdy announce it get it? They didnt announce MMA or DRG got a spot when they won there code S in the MLG exchange program Hihi: Your Official AnnouncementPro Circuit Players Competing in the GSL At MLG Columbus, the Top 3 non-Korean finishers will each be placed into GSL Code A. At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows: Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, regardless of country of origin, who doesn't already have Code S status. this says it all Naniwa won a code S spot. Acording to there own rules.
Oh but no, Mr. Chae is the boss of SC2 esports and can do whatever he wishes, in his own mind. Be that changing his rules, not putting them on contracts or telling anyone and still having them in effect, and using them arbitrarily instead of consistently.
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I would like to see a statement from MLG on the matter. It seems that they're being bypassed completely with GOM arbitrarily changing the terms of the league-exchange system. I can't imagine that they're happy with it.
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On December 15 2011 07:16 JinDesu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 07:13 HappyChris wrote:On December 15 2011 07:13 JinDesu wrote:On December 15 2011 07:10 pi_rate_pir_ate wrote:On December 15 2011 07:02 JinDesu wrote:On December 15 2011 07:00 Derity wrote:
so why idra and sen?
why not stephano? did you even talk to him?
GomTv really failed to make clear that MLG Providence didn't give a Code S seed. I believe Stephano has made a point that he does not want to play in Korea (GSL) On December 15 2011 07:01 pi_rate_pir_ate wrote:
I have a question about the game NaNiWa played against Nestea.
Did he micro his probes or simply stop them by Nestea?
The reason that I ask this, is that if he tried to win with his probe rush, I fail to see the distinction between this and a discouraged player cheesing his way out of a tournament. He did not. He a-moved. At least Nestea went mineral drill to surround the probes. Thank you! I wish I could have watched the games. I'm still a little confused about whether he had already been awarded the Code S or whether it was "under consideration." If it had been awarded, then it is clearly a punishment and GomTV is lying. This would seem completely unnecessary, because obviously you can't have players deliberately throwing games because that would make match-fixing motive based rather than fact based. GomTV did mention this last point in their statement. So my remaining question: Had Code S been officially awarded to NaNiWa? Is there digital or hard proof of this fact? There has never been, as far as I know, a GOMTV announcement that Naniwa gets Code S. Read Waxangels post My point is: GOMTV, after MLG Providence, has never announced Naniwa to get the Code S.
But they were going to send him based on 'performance,' citing he was only a candidate when they KNOW he was getting sent, and are now pulling it last second as a punishment.
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Just because you write a long statement doesn't make it right.
You made a knee-jerk reaction and are now trying to justify it.
There IS a class of culture here because in the rest of the world it's NOT alright for organisations to bully people around.
Imagine how Naniwa feels right now? If he had any idea his actions would result in this he of course would not have done that.
You should have thought of a way to make it right without jumping to the harshest level.
And the joke is you replaced him with IdrA! Oh the irony.
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Thanks for the (much needed) statement. At least everything is cleared up now.
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Nice announcement by GOM, I'm sure we'll all be able to move past this. Hopefully Naniwa won't give up on trying to compete in future GSL seasons.
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On December 15 2011 07:20 oban wrote:
The fact that GOM can pull out such an utter LIE to the community and get away with it says a lot about how corrupt this scene is. Why can't a decent company take the place of these clowns instead? They are lying straight to our faces.
Wow, sometimes I really wonder about how some people percieve the world.
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Too few people care about sportmanship in western esports it seems....
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On December 15 2011 07:20 Michaels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 07:17 Nighthawks28 wrote:On December 15 2011 07:14 Kazeyonoma wrote:On December 15 2011 07:12 Eee wrote:On December 15 2011 07:04 Waxangel wrote:Hihi: Your Official AnnouncementPro Circuit Players Competing in the GSL
At MLG Columbus, the Top 3 non-Korean finishers will each be placed into GSL Code A.
At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows:
Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, regardless of country of origin, who doesn't already have Code S status. What's up? Yeah, how does GOM explain this? Because in the MLG agreement, they also state that they'll send over 4 korean invites every tournament in 2011 as well but did not in providence, maybe this assumed then that no LXG was going to happen as a result of Providence. That's the way I interpret it. Why is it that people are picking apart an agreement of GSL side but ignoring that MLG didn't do their part for that tournament either, and thus voided the LXG participation across the board for this tournament? MLG paid for Bomber, MMA, MVP, and MC for providence. http://pro.majorleaguegaming.com/news/mc-mma-bomber-and-mvp-to-mlg-providence They invite all their champions from past events.
I know but they specifically paid for those 4 koreans due to the exchange program (and MC wasn't a champion but highest korean in Orlando)
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On December 15 2011 07:21 NanaCry wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 07:18 HappyChris wrote:On December 15 2011 07:16 JinDesu wrote:On December 15 2011 07:13 HappyChris wrote:On December 15 2011 07:13 JinDesu wrote:On December 15 2011 07:10 pi_rate_pir_ate wrote:On December 15 2011 07:02 JinDesu wrote:On December 15 2011 07:00 Derity wrote:
so why idra and sen?
why not stephano? did you even talk to him?
GomTv really failed to make clear that MLG Providence didn't give a Code S seed. I believe Stephano has made a point that he does not want to play in Korea (GSL) On December 15 2011 07:01 pi_rate_pir_ate wrote:
I have a question about the game NaNiWa played against Nestea.
Did he micro his probes or simply stop them by Nestea?
The reason that I ask this, is that if he tried to win with his probe rush, I fail to see the distinction between this and a discouraged player cheesing his way out of a tournament. He did not. He a-moved. At least Nestea went mineral drill to surround the probes. Thank you! I wish I could have watched the games. I'm still a little confused about whether he had already been awarded the Code S or whether it was "under consideration." If it had been awarded, then it is clearly a punishment and GomTV is lying. This would seem completely unnecessary, because obviously you can't have players deliberately throwing games because that would make match-fixing motive based rather than fact based. GomTV did mention this last point in their statement. So my remaining question: Had Code S been officially awarded to NaNiWa? Is there digital or hard proof of this fact? There has never been, as far as I know, a GOMTV announcement that Naniwa gets Code S. Read Waxangels post My point is: GOMTV, after MLG Providence, has never announced Naniwa to get the Code S. But they did allrdy announce it get it? They didnt announce MMA or DRG got a spot when they won there code S in the MLG exchange program Hihi: Your Official AnnouncementPro Circuit Players Competing in the GSL At MLG Columbus, the Top 3 non-Korean finishers will each be placed into GSL Code A. At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows: Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, regardless of country of origin, who doesn't already have Code S status. this says it all Naniwa won a code S spot. Acording to there own rules. So MLG Dallas 2025 will award a Code-S Spot too? Stop being blind, the partnership is over, or atleast in this form. GOM was about to explain it to us (as they said in this thread that you apparently didn't read). If you fail to read or refuse to believe them, it's your problem but that doesn't make your statement right.
What part of the number 2011 in the phrase "every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition ..." is too hard for you to understand?
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On December 15 2011 07:20 thatsundowner wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 07:18 HappyChris wrote:On December 15 2011 07:16 JinDesu wrote:On December 15 2011 07:13 HappyChris wrote:On December 15 2011 07:13 JinDesu wrote:On December 15 2011 07:10 pi_rate_pir_ate wrote:On December 15 2011 07:02 JinDesu wrote:On December 15 2011 07:00 Derity wrote:
so why idra and sen?
why not stephano? did you even talk to him?
GomTv really failed to make clear that MLG Providence didn't give a Code S seed. I believe Stephano has made a point that he does not want to play in Korea (GSL) On December 15 2011 07:01 pi_rate_pir_ate wrote:
I have a question about the game NaNiWa played against Nestea.
Did he micro his probes or simply stop them by Nestea?
The reason that I ask this, is that if he tried to win with his probe rush, I fail to see the distinction between this and a discouraged player cheesing his way out of a tournament. He did not. He a-moved. At least Nestea went mineral drill to surround the probes. Thank you! I wish I could have watched the games. I'm still a little confused about whether he had already been awarded the Code S or whether it was "under consideration." If it had been awarded, then it is clearly a punishment and GomTV is lying. This would seem completely unnecessary, because obviously you can't have players deliberately throwing games because that would make match-fixing motive based rather than fact based. GomTV did mention this last point in their statement. So my remaining question: Had Code S been officially awarded to NaNiWa? Is there digital or hard proof of this fact? There has never been, as far as I know, a GOMTV announcement that Naniwa gets Code S. Read Waxangels post My point is: GOMTV, after MLG Providence, has never announced Naniwa to get the Code S. But they did allrdy announce it get it? They didnt announce MMA or DRG got a spot when they won there code S in the MLG exchange program Hihi: Your Official AnnouncementPro Circuit Players Competing in the GSL At MLG Columbus, the Top 3 non-Korean finishers will each be placed into GSL Code A. At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows: Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, regardless of country of origin, who doesn't already have Code S status. this says it all Naniwa won a code S spot. Acording to there own rules. the new GSL format didn't specify a code S seed for somebody in the top 3 at MLG who wasn't already in Code S, it specified two code s seeds, nothing about MLG that's the thing about agreements, they can change. we have to wait for MLG to make a statement on this before we know for sure
Should they have informed naniwa, the player affected, who's establishing himself in Korea on the basis that he plays codes S in January, that the rules have changed and that he is no longer directly qualified? It makes no sense. To believe GOM is to believe that they fundamentally changed their system and went back on an agreement, yet didn't inform any of the parties involved.
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I don't like the statement at all. How come everyone was under the impression that top placing non-Code S player at any MLG event will recieve a Code S slot? Because that's what was being said. If you would change it now, and it would affect next season it would be fine. I think it's disrespectful to Naniwa, Quantic, MLG and frankly the entire western SC2 community. Did he purposely break a rule? Was the rule obvious and 100% correct to what happen? Neither of those question's answer is true.
A warning would have been fine, you have enough status to be able to say "we won't tolerate that again", then noone will ever do it. Making an example of a player is completely unnecessary. Also, you might want to look into playing unnecessary games, unless it's clearly stated as "Friendly showgame", or anything like that. Would the game be good either way? Definately not. Two players playing with nothing to gain, probably just want to get home or get the previous games out of their mind.
I really don't agree with how you managed this, and i actually hope that you take back this statement and instead hand out a warning to Naniwa, aswell as stating that MLG seeds is no longer 100%, rather it depends on who you want to pick. This also makes MLG less valuable in my eyes, since the best part with last MLG was a non-korean competing in Code S, and a swedish aswell as protoss player.
I don't get why you take Idra either. He is a great player for sure, but he hasn't posted the results and i don't get why you forget what happened last time he played in the GSL. He left in the middle of a season (i've heard rumours that you wanted him to leave during the middle and not before, but i don't know if it's true and i will treat it like you didn't communicate). Now you invite him back giving him a Code S slot, over a player who was promised a slot, both according to MLG and GSL, just because you had rules that wasn't clear enough?
I think this will have a negative impact on GSL, i don't know for how long. But i got less interested in buying a season ticket, which i have been doing for about half the seasons. Both because Naniwa aint no longer in it and i wanted to follow his progress seeing as he deserved this code S spot in so many ways. Also since you handled this very poorly in my eyes. I just hope you won't stick with being this stuck up...
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On December 15 2011 07:20 Cush wrote:
So many people here making up stuff to back Naniwa lol.
they ahvent though GOMTV hasnt actually said anything true... 4 koreans gotpaid togo to Prov which MLGposted on their own site... so if the was no agreement in case for a code ss why did MLG pay for 4 koreans to come over... it all smellslike dog poo...lol
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On December 15 2011 07:22 Klive5ive wrote:
Just because you write a long statement doesn't make it right.
You made a knee-jerk reaction and are now trying to justify it.
There IS a class of culture here because in the rest of the world it's NOT alright for organisations to bully people around.
Imagine how Naniwa feels right now? If he had any idea his actions would result in this he of course would not have done that.
You should have thought of a way to make it right without jumping to the harshest level.
And the joke is you replaced him with IdrA! Oh the irony.
You can read on another thread how Naniwa feels about this. He wrote that he will not compete in the coming GSL out of regret.
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On December 15 2011 07:20 Michaels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 07:17 Nighthawks28 wrote:On December 15 2011 07:14 Kazeyonoma wrote:On December 15 2011 07:12 Eee wrote:On December 15 2011 07:04 Waxangel wrote:Hihi: Your Official AnnouncementPro Circuit Players Competing in the GSL
At MLG Columbus, the Top 3 non-Korean finishers will each be placed into GSL Code A.
At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows:
Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, regardless of country of origin, who doesn't already have Code S status. What's up? Yeah, how does GOM explain this? Because in the MLG agreement, they also state that they'll send over 4 korean invites every tournament in 2011 as well but did not in providence, maybe this assumed then that no LXG was going to happen as a result of Providence. That's the way I interpret it. Why is it that people are picking apart an agreement of GSL side but ignoring that MLG didn't do their part for that tournament either, and thus voided the LXG participation across the board for this tournament? MLG paid for Bomber, MMA, MVP, and MC for providence. http://pro.majorleaguegaming.com/news/mc-mma-bomber-and-mvp-to-mlg-providence They invite all their champions from past events.
You should read before just nonchalantly dismissing this. It proves this was part of the exchange and the "4 Korean" invites.
"As the last Korean player standing in Orlando, MC has earned a League Exchange Invitation to Providence."
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On December 15 2011 07:20 Jinsho wrote:
Second, why wasn't Nestea punished for his abysmal games versus MVP then in the Code S finals at Blizzcon? Are you kidding me? How is that not a double standard? What about the incredibly bad games of Top who got 4-0d? Yeah they all "tried", so what? There was price money on the line and the GSL reputation.
First of all, mvp and nestea didn't play in the code s finals at blizzcon, get your facts straight
and second of all, are you talking about the super long game that involved every unit in the terran and zerg arsenal?
You are comparing THAT to the 1 hand no micro 1 minute and 20 second game between nestea and naniwa?
Come on dude, stop being so ignorant
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On December 15 2011 07:18 Jackle wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 07:16 illsick wrote:On December 15 2011 07:09 JinDesu wrote:On December 15 2011 07:08 Waxangel wrote:On December 15 2011 07:06 Jackle wrote:On December 15 2011 07:04 Waxangel wrote:Hihi: Your Official AnnouncementPro Circuit Players Competing in the GSL
At MLG Columbus, the Top 3 non-Korean finishers will each be placed into GSL Code A.
At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows:
Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, regardless of country of origin, who doesn't already have Code S status. What's up? Hihi: Source:MLG is honored to announce a true game-changer for the world of competitive StarCraft 2. Beginning at MLG Columbus and continuing throughout the 2011 Season, Major League Gaming and the GOMTV Global StarCraft 2 League are establishing a League Exchange Program that will send the best MLG players to compete in the GSL, and allow top Korean talent to play live in the US. Where were the 4 Korean invites to MLG Providence? I love creative wording :D It is an exchange program though. there were 4 MLG's and the Providence one these are the GSL seeds awarded: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/GSL-MLG_Exchange_ProgramMLG has been sending more koreans to MLG than GSL has sent foreigners That's not updated. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_Global_StarCraft_II_League_August/Code_AThorzain, Naniwa, Fenix and Sase were invited to August. Sjow, Naniwa, Select and Sase were invited to October
look at Columbus... which includes thorzain, fenix, naniwa
sase got his seed through CPL china and by winning some sweden tournament that sent him out to Korea to participate in code A
sjow and select got it from anaheim
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On December 15 2011 07:23 Tommylew wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 07:20 Cush wrote:
So many people here making up stuff to back Naniwa lol. they ahvent though GOMTV hasnt actually said anything true... 4 koreans gotpaid togo to Prov which MLGposted on their own site... so if the was no agreement in case for a code ss why did MLG pay for 4 koreans to come over... it all smellslike dog poo...lol
New GSL Format, read the OP.
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