EPTGOMTV Announcement regarding NaNiWa - Page 17
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bobthebo
101 Posts
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ggahSoO
United States191 Posts
On December 15 2011 07:18 HappyChris wrote: But they did allrdy announce it get it? They didnt announce MMA or DRG got a spot when they won there code S in the MLG exchange program Hihi: Your Official Announcement Pro Circuit Players Competing in the GSL At MLG Columbus, the Top 3 non-Korean finishers will each be placed into GSL Code A. At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows: Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, regardless of country of origin, who doesn't already have Code S status. this says it all Naniwa won a code S spot. Acording to there own rules. Because of this I have a hard time accepting GOMtv's official statement now. It says straight up that NaNi earned a Code S spot for his placing at MLG Providence | ||
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diophan
United States1018 Posts
On December 15 2011 07:21 Nexic wrote: So bullshit that GOM doesn't admit to any fault of their own for making a bad format. No explicit apology on their behalf is very ****ed up, much less respect for them going forward. Your definition of "bad format" is one in which fans get to see a huge grudge match between Nani and Nestea? | ||
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Xax
475 Posts
On December 15 2011 07:25 ReturnTrip wrote: 95% exactly my thoughts. But I don't think KeSPA would be better than GOM. I mean this bullshit by GOM sucks but with KeSPA it would be far worse. There. Was. No. Official. Statement. By. Gom. In. English. | ||
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FrostFire626
United States79 Posts
I also have no sympathy for people who have Naniwa's attitude. Even Idra knows not to pull stuff like this. | ||
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The Stapler
United States326 Posts
Naniwa broke no rules However, his actions did not match with GOMtv's interpretation of what makes a pro-gamer GOM took away something that he never really had in the first place got it lol | ||
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Nyarly
France1030 Posts
On December 15 2011 07:24 IceDice wrote: Jesus, are you blind ? At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition Yeah and ? Does that makes the rest of my post false ? No, yours ? yeah pretty much. | ||
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tenklavir
Slovakia116 Posts
On December 15 2011 07:25 uberMatt wrote: so you're penalizing everyone who does disrespectful ceremonies after they win, drops mules mid fight, does pylon hearts, etc right? unless you mean to argue that those actions are less unprofessional or less disrespectful than naniwa throwing a pointless match? They are. Ceremonies, mule bombs, scan clouds, etc. are entertaining. Throwing a highly anticipated game is not. | ||
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farnham
1378 Posts
On December 15 2011 07:26 Lazarusnpx wrote: Thanks for the good and honest statement from Gom, although this does still raise some questions i (as a SC2 fan) would like to see answered, first, isn't Gom taking any responsibility on the matter? The last statement saying you will look into better formats its something to short, but Gom does have the responsibility of creating the bad format that allowed this and should take a fair part of the blame, neither Naniwa or Nestea should have been put into that situation or atleast clearly Naniwa was mentally worn, and still he was thrown into the main stage, to me it doesn't sound like a very good way to treat your players. Someone should have been there and noticed that Naniwa was in no state to perform, because that's what you were asking of him, not to be a competitor but for that game to be a performer. Second, it seems that the ruling that Naniwa will no longer be considered for the code S spot is fair enough, seeing that, as you state Gom is chosing the players going in, rather then having some standard quantifiable way to do it. But that seems just like a bad way, that's not how it should work, everyone assumed Naniwa got it because he was the top foreigner qualified, but if rather, its just Gom chosing who the think its best isn't that a susceptible to bias system? also does that mean the arrangement with MLG is over or just being completly ignored? Both Nestea and Naniwa had the chance to forfeit their spots before entering the tournament they took the risk knowing the format and had to bear the consequences. | ||
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NeO)DarK
Canada37 Posts
On December 15 2011 07:05 farnham wrote: Even if that was true Gom is entitled to terminate the current contractual relationship with naniwa Contracts are not as simple as this - don't attempt to make a statement without backing it up with legalese. I'll give you a little example: Contracts in Canada can be brought to an end in the following four ways (to simplify it): 1) Performance; 2) Mutual Agreement; 3) Frustration; 4) Breach. Performance relates to completion of the obligations under the contract. Mutual agreement is evident in itself, and frustration is when the parties cannot carry out the terms of the agreements because events beyond their control prevent them from doing so. The last, breach, is more relevant in this situation - it's a failure by a party to perform an obligation agreed to in the contract. Progaming would likely fall under labor laws and that's not my area of expertise. So, the question is if an agreement was made between Naniwa and GOM and if it was an express contract or implied contract. I'm unaware if if there were verbal or written terms and conditions, so I'd assume this is an implied contract where parties indicate consensus through conduct. I'm not saying any of this is enforceable because contracts aren't my expertise and South Korea certainly has a different legal system than Canada. I'd honestly be more concerned with Chae Jung Won's (he is not my superior, he will not be referred to as "mr") comments - it seems like Naniwa was given code S and he admitted that in his statement. Anyways, I think this is an overreaction on GOM's part. This community has blown things out of proportion and instead of discussing the event intelligently, the trolls prevailed (as they always have). In my view: why waste a special strategy on a meaningless game? I would have walked out too for wasting my time - GOM is just mad about the views the match was going to attract. Here come the flames... | ||
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Soft`Soap
Canada865 Posts
KESPA was not only strict about what happened on their own tournaments but they were strict on what happened outside of tournaments so that the players can display the best games possible on television If this happened under KESPA naniwa would be 100% banned forever in any korean tournament | ||
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Namenlos
Germany96 Posts
On December 15 2011 07:26 GeriMage23 wrote: KeSPA would have banned Naniwa for life... Just saying.... KeSPA didnt care about throwing a full rice bowl at booths after winning, so you think KeSPA would change their mind on that behalf? | ||
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zeru
8156 Posts
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m0ck
4194 Posts
On December 15 2011 07:26 farnham wrote: http://thisisgame.com/board/view.php?id=896871&category=102 in this it says "시드는 총 10장이다. 우승자를 비롯해 8위까지 8명만이 차기 시즌 시드를 받는다. 여기에 후원사 시드 2장이 마련됐다. 후원사 시드는 해외 대회에서 좋은 활약을 펼친 선수들이나 두각을 드러내고 있는 외국인 선수들에게 돌아갈 가능성이 높다." There are 10 seeds. The Top 8 will get Seeds for the next Seasons. There will be 2 Sponsorship Seeds added to this. There is a high probability that Sponsorship Seeds will be awarded to Players that showed skill in Foreign tournaments or Foreign Players that have shown their skill otherwise. So the terminology no longer was MLG Seeds but Sponsorship Seeds. Should they have informed naniwa, the player affected, who's establishing himself in Korea on the basis that he plays codes S in January, that the rules have changed and that he is no longer directly qualified? It makes no sense. To believe GOM is to believe that they fundamentally changed their system and went back on an agreement, yet didn't inform any of the parties involved. | ||
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leo23
United States3075 Posts
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littleroc2nd
China4 Posts
maybe Naniwa would say sorry for his fans, but nothing must to be applogized for his "so called" unprofessional action, i like this guy, when he bitted those eyes above head korean players, but very sorry, these koreans beared away his oppotunity becuase their weak self-esteem has been injured. totally joking. | ||
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oban
Sweden18 Posts
On December 15 2011 07:22 Xax wrote: Wow, sometimes I really wonder about how some people percieve the world. Ok, but do you have a point at all with your post? I don't see it. | ||
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whereyouat
United States65 Posts
On December 15 2011 07:21 Jamial wrote: Still think this is beyond stupid. He left a retarded game that should never have to be played. You wouldn't have done this if he had done a halfassed fucking fourgate without trying. And no, I'm not a fan of NaNiwa. Why should it not have been played? Because there was no money involved? Did anyone seriously expect nani and nestea to go 0-3? shit happens, adapt and be professional and that is what naniwa did not do. he chose the immature baby route and is now being punished for it. if you dont like watching games for the sake of watching games and only watch it to see who wins 30,000$ then skip every match until the last game of the finals or watch poker. | ||
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GeriMage23
United States14 Posts
[QUOTE]On December 15 2011 07:21 itsjustatank wrote: [QUOTE]On December 15 2011 06:33 GOMTV wrote: Both Korean as well as international fans are important to us. We hope that no one gets the wrong picture and believes that NaNiWa is being treated disadvantageously because he is a foreigner. On the contrary, if a Korean had been involved in a similar incident, it is possible that a much harsher reaction would have followed. It is also very likely that the player's team would have taken firm action before the GSL could have even reacted to it. [/QUOTE] I would strongly urge you to revise this statement. The way that it is worded leaves the perception that your organization is making a snide comment about the nature of Naniwa's foreigner representation vis-a-vis your stated examples of the Korean model. This vagueness can be chalked up to inadequacies in translation, but should be addressed. My emphasis added in the quote.[/QUOTE] How is it vague? They told the truth. If a Korean would have done, they would have been banned for months and got kicked out of their team house (CoCa).... I don't see how this is a vague statement... | ||
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MildSeven
Canada311 Posts
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