On December 15 2011 07:21 Nexic wrote: So bullshit that GOM doesn't admit to any fault of their own for making a bad format.
No explicit apology on their behalf is very ****ed up, much less respect for them going forward.
Your definition of "bad format" is one in which fans get to see a huge grudge match between Nani and Nestea?
They could have easily manipulated the format in such a way all players would eventually play eachother with a financial incentive. I doubt either Naniwa nor Nestea gave a shit. Whole thing started cause Naniwa basically made obvious what most people would imply in his situation.
At MLG Columbus, the Top 3 non-Korean finishers will each be placed into GSL Code A. At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows:
Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, regardless of country of origin, who doesn't already have Code S status.
What's up?
Even if that was true Gom is entitled to terminate the current contractual relationship with naniwa
Contracts are not as simple as this - don't attempt to make a statement without backing it up with legalese. I'll give you a little example:
Contracts in Canada can be brought to an end in the following four ways (to simplify it): 1) Performance; 2) Mutual Agreement; 3) Frustration; 4) Breach. Performance relates to completion of the obligations under the contract. Mutual agreement is evident in itself, and frustration is when the parties cannot carry out the terms of the agreements because events beyond their control prevent them from doing so. The last, breach, is more relevant in this situation - it's a failure by a party to perform an obligation agreed to in the contract.
Progaming would likely fall under labor laws and that's not my area of expertise. So, the question is if an agreement was made between Naniwa and GOM and if it was an express contract or implied contract. I'm unaware if if there were verbal or written terms and conditions, so I'd assume this is an implied contract where parties indicate consensus through conduct.
I'm not saying any of this is enforceable because contracts aren't my expertise and South Korea certainly has a different legal system than Canada. I'd honestly be more concerned with Chae Jung Won's (he is not my superior, he will not be referred to as "mr") comments - it seems like Naniwa was given code S and he admitted that in his statement.
Anyways, I think this is an overreaction on GOM's part. This community has blown things out of proportion and instead of discussing the event intelligently, the trolls prevailed (as they always have). In my view: why waste a special strategy on a meaningless game? I would have walked out too for wasting my time - GOM is just mad about the views the match was going to attract.
Here come the flames...
okay dude keep in mind that if naniwa was in fact in a contract with gomtv to participate as code s this would be IN THE FUTURE
because GOMtv did not receive the service that they expected from Naniwa, GOMtv has the right to VOID any FUTURE contracts with the party
Also, farnham has already posted some stuff on korean law and he actually knows what he's talking about
Seems fair enough not to give the spot to Nani after all the drama and negative reactions from blizzard cup viewers, not necessarily the most fitting or suitable reaction to the probe rush, but not completely out of the realm of reason in my opinion ... A new year and format for GSL, excited to see IdrA and Sen join Code S for the new year.
Naniwa officially won the code S spot by coming second according to all news posts and announcements and was never denied until...yesterday? + Show Spoiler +
Ultimately he dropped the following four games, and despite not being crowned champion, Naniwa has presented one of the most captivating weeks imaginable, both in and out of the game. In the last week, Naniwa has rage quit of of a GSL match, flown half-way around the world, defeated the two most successful Korean Starcraft 2 players back-to-back, sparked a rivalry with Nestea, been the center of controversy in a rematch against Nestea, let a National Championship slip through his fingers and earned a seat in Code S.
Over the last few months, Naniwa has been training hard over in Korea to take his game to the next level, and his hard work appeared to pay off in Providence. The 2nd Place finish was good enough to earn him a Code S spot, so keep an eye on this MLG Champion as he goes toe-to-toe with the world's best during the offseason.
Naniwa, however, stayed focused on his goal. Amidst swirls of tabloid drama and misguided quotes, Naniwa kept his concentration on the task at hand. When his turn to enter the bracket finally rolled around, the Swedish Protoss defeated Nestea for the second time that weekend, and followed the feat with wins over Huk and DongRaeGu. In the end Naniwa failed to seal the deal as he lost four straight games against Leenock in the Grand Finals, but appeared to be a man with a renewed determination and a refined playstyle. With the pedigree Naniwa displayed over the weekend, it's hard not to be excited about Naniwa's 2012 prospects in Code S and at Major League Gaming Events.
Pro Circuit Players Competing in the GSL At MLG Columbus, the Top 3 non-Korean finishers will each be placed into GSL Code A. At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows: Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, within the Top 3, regardless of country of origin, who does not already have Code S status. Code S status will not be awarded if all of the players placing 1st-3rd already have Code S Status. Code A status will be awarded to the next three highest placing non-Korean players. If Code S status is awarded to a Korean player, or not awarded at all, Code A status also will be awarded to the 4th highest placing non-Korean player.
Naniwa was able to secure a huge victory and guarantee at least a Top 3 finish in Providence. That placement will gives him a chance to secure Code S and continues the run of world class players that Naniwa has defeated over the course of the championship weekend in Providence.
Naniwa fucked himself. He could of just 4 gated or proxy 2 gate. It's a game that's being streamed to a ton of people and not an off stage consolation match.
Imagine if a Korean had done this. His team would probably take him out of the GSL for a Season or so and tried to punish the player themselves.
Naniwa and everyone else will learn from it. Sure the situation was ass but he should of made the best of it at the time and then complained after it was all over with.
He would of saved himself a ton of trouble, probably would of got the Code S spot over Sen, and even could of brought up the point of the match being pointless and starting a discussion about why the format was setup that way.
We promise that we will work hard to provide tournament formats that will lead players to do their best in every match and to create a GSL that will allow fans to enjoy and experience the competition as something that has more to it than just professionals trying to make a living.
How about you punish your staff first for creating a pitiful, retarded tournament format that allows for meaningless games to take place... it's clearly you people did not perform to the best of your abilities, according the standards you use to judge other people's performances. This is tyranny I say.
Because of the last sentence I'm assuming you're trolling, but they have already stated that group stage of GSL going forward will be BO3 and that they are taking additional days to cast every game, yet the entire last year was BO1 and people didn't hate on it until WCG did the same thing AND after this shitfest started. If you're going to throw shit at an organization at least be consistent.
First, it's not BO1s what is the problem here. You could make a BO1 format in which every game counts -- MSL and OSL have been doing this for years in their survivor and OGN prelims tournaments -- second, if you are gonna accuse anyone of something, at least read proof what they state before making an a$$ out of yourself.
Naniwa officially won the code S spot by coming second according to all news posts and announcements and was never denied until...yesterday? + Show Spoiler +
Ultimately he dropped the following four games, and despite not being crowned champion, Naniwa has presented one of the most captivating weeks imaginable, both in and out of the game. In the last week, Naniwa has rage quit of of a GSL match, flown half-way around the world, defeated the two most successful Korean Starcraft 2 players back-to-back, sparked a rivalry with Nestea, been the center of controversy in a rematch against Nestea, let a National Championship slip through his fingers and earned a seat in Code S.
Over the last few months, Naniwa has been training hard over in Korea to take his game to the next level, and his hard work appeared to pay off in Providence. The 2nd Place finish was good enough to earn him a Code S spot, so keep an eye on this MLG Champion as he goes toe-to-toe with the world's best during the offseason.
Naniwa, however, stayed focused on his goal. Amidst swirls of tabloid drama and misguided quotes, Naniwa kept his concentration on the task at hand. When his turn to enter the bracket finally rolled around, the Swedish Protoss defeated Nestea for the second time that weekend, and followed the feat with wins over Huk and DongRaeGu. In the end Naniwa failed to seal the deal as he lost four straight games against Leenock in the Grand Finals, but appeared to be a man with a renewed determination and a refined playstyle. With the pedigree Naniwa displayed over the weekend, it's hard not to be excited about Naniwa's 2012 prospects in Code S and at Major League Gaming Events.
Pro Circuit Players Competing in the GSL At MLG Columbus, the Top 3 non-Korean finishers will each be placed into GSL Code A. At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows: Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, within the Top 3, regardless of country of origin, who does not already have Code S status. Code S status will not be awarded if all of the players placing 1st-3rd already have Code S Status. Code A status will be awarded to the next three highest placing non-Korean players. If Code S status is awarded to a Korean player, or not awarded at all, Code A status also will be awarded to the 4th highest placing non-Korean player.
Naniwa was able to secure a huge victory and guarantee at least a Top 3 finish in Providence. That placement will gives him a chance to secure Code S and continues the run of world class players that Naniwa has defeated over the course of the championship weekend in Providence.
u guys are so retarded. gom HAD to take action for this reason.
By tolerating such behavior, purposefully losing might be deemed as a legitimate action and we might see more of such matches in the future, which is something that surely neither the fans nor the players would appreciate.
if u guys dont see it, you guys must be dumb. dont let the door hit u on ur way out of gom. they got plenty of other viewers and dont need retards like u guys watching their programs anyways.
On December 15 2011 07:26 Honeybadger wrote: Does anyone else not care about MLG seeds because MLG is overpriced and a general waste of money, when held against the GSL, IPL, NASL, dreamhack, etc?
How is MLG over priced? It's $20-25 to spectate the 3 day event, it's $80 to participate, and it's $30 for the year to watch all events in HD. Plus, SD is free.
On December 15 2011 07:21 Nexic wrote: So bullshit that GOM doesn't admit to any fault of their own for making a bad format.
No explicit apology on their behalf is very ****ed up, much less respect for them going forward.
Your definition of "bad format" is one in which fans get to see a huge grudge match between Nani and Nestea?
It wouldn't have been exciting at all. Two players that have just lost 3 matches in a row and are eliminated from the tournament. Both players would be frustrated and neither cares much at that point and neither will give their best.
Spinning a clear established fact ("NaNiWas Code S spot") in order not to burn bridges and not to intentionally lose face or expose another person to a face loss is a typical Asian thing and nicely displayed in the opener.
It seems like a lot of people have been under the impression that NaNiWa has received a Code S seed for taking 2nd place at MLG Providence. The truth however is that NaNiWa has received the right to compete in the Blizzard Cup for his 2nd place achievement at MLG Providence.
MLG mentioned several times in posts that Naniwa has earned a Code S Spot. Either you need to work on your communication with MLG, they clearly thought he had Code S. Or you need to make rules more clear to everyone. Because everyone thought he had Code S and not a seed in some random tournament we didn't even know about at Providence.
Naniwa officially won the code S spot by coming second according to all news posts and announcements and was never denied until...yesterday? + Show Spoiler +
Ultimately he dropped the following four games, and despite not being crowned champion, Naniwa has presented one of the most captivating weeks imaginable, both in and out of the game. In the last week, Naniwa has rage quit of of a GSL match, flown half-way around the world, defeated the two most successful Korean Starcraft 2 players back-to-back, sparked a rivalry with Nestea, been the center of controversy in a rematch against Nestea, let a National Championship slip through his fingers and earned a seat in Code S.
Over the last few months, Naniwa has been training hard over in Korea to take his game to the next level, and his hard work appeared to pay off in Providence. The 2nd Place finish was good enough to earn him a Code S spot, so keep an eye on this MLG Champion as he goes toe-to-toe with the world's best during the offseason.
Naniwa, however, stayed focused on his goal. Amidst swirls of tabloid drama and misguided quotes, Naniwa kept his concentration on the task at hand. When his turn to enter the bracket finally rolled around, the Swedish Protoss defeated Nestea for the second time that weekend, and followed the feat with wins over Huk and DongRaeGu. In the end Naniwa failed to seal the deal as he lost four straight games against Leenock in the Grand Finals, but appeared to be a man with a renewed determination and a refined playstyle. With the pedigree Naniwa displayed over the weekend, it's hard not to be excited about Naniwa's 2012 prospects in Code S and at Major League Gaming Events.
Pro Circuit Players Competing in the GSL At MLG Columbus, the Top 3 non-Korean finishers will each be placed into GSL Code A. At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows: Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, within the Top 3, regardless of country of origin, who does not already have Code S status. Code S status will not be awarded if all of the players placing 1st-3rd already have Code S Status. Code A status will be awarded to the next three highest placing non-Korean players. If Code S status is awarded to a Korean player, or not awarded at all, Code A status also will be awarded to the 4th highest placing non-Korean player.
Naniwa was able to secure a huge victory and guarantee at least a Top 3 finish in Providence. That placement will gives him a chance to secure Code S and continues the run of world class players that Naniwa has defeated over the course of the championship weekend in Providence.
This is fucking pathetic. Fuck you GOM, you lying pieces of shit. You can't award a player a Code S seed, tell everyone that you're awarding him a Code S seed, and then switch it to an invitation to the tournament he just GOT KNOCKED OUT OF, just because you don't like how he played. That's the single most stupid reason to do anything I've ever heard of. "Oh, we don't think he showed enough progamer spirit, so fuck 'em". What a bunch of candy-asses. I hope MLG fucks GOMTV up for that, I'm sure there was a legal agreement signed, and if NaNiWa can't compete in the tournament he qualified for by placing highest non-Code S player at MLG Providence, MLG should sue, and from where I'm standing, they would win. Of course, there could have been some stupid, secret fine-print shenanigans, but I seriously doubt it. Why else would MLG put on their own homepage that NaNi was seeded into Code S if they knew otherwise?
The people who own/run GOMTV are a bunch of candy-assed weasels who are not only hurting themselves and NaNi, but eSports as a whole.
On December 15 2011 06:43 Gin-san wrote: That's actually a pretty lame response, just like i expected it. They think they're 100% correct and only blame NaNiwa. Hopefully Blizzard won't give the next SC2 contract to you but to KeSPA.
KeSPA would have banned Naniwa for life... Just saying....
Haha exactly. Naniwa wouldn't have even been in this situation with kespa because he would have been banned for his no gg rage quit against lucky in code a.
On December 15 2011 07:21 Nexic wrote: So bullshit that GOM doesn't admit to any fault of their own for making a bad format.
No explicit apology on their behalf is very ****ed up, much less respect for them going forward.
Your definition of "bad format" is one in which fans get to see a huge grudge match between Nani and Nestea?
It wouldn't have been exciting at all. Two players that have just lost 3 matches in a row and are eliminated from the tournament. Both players would be frustrated and neither cares much at that point and neither will give their best.
Well GOM presumably put it at the end because they thought it would make it that much more important... not predicting they'd both go 0-3. What is GOM supposed to do? Cancel the match they scheduled cause one of the players refuses to try if he can't win it all?
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