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Metron
Profile Joined October 2011
Canada2 Posts
December 14 2011 22:12 GMT
#221
I think GOM is being fair. As long as NaNiwa is not banned from the GSL, I think losing consideration for a Code S seed, that was not 100% guaranteed to him, is understandable. It will definitely help prevent situations like this from occurring in future tournaments.
Kamikiri
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1319 Posts
December 14 2011 22:12 GMT
#222
First of all what I have to say is, if GSL has some sort of conduct they want to stand by, so be it. There should have been better rules in place but it is their decision to make and I agree that what Naniwa did was wrong, they hosted the tournament for people to watch the games which is why there was "meaningless games" Naniwa was an invite to the tournament, He should have been more respectful. Naniwa was told by the Admins he HAD to play, period he purposely through the game, he deserved to be punished, how hard? Not for anyone but gom to say.

I will continue watching GSL and everyone throwing a hissy fit on how Gom is like Kespa, honestly you need to stop talking you clearly have no idea what you are talking about and you were probably not a part of the BW scene.

Now here is what I have a problem with, Gomtv changing the way the Code S seeds worked magically, I read the announcement before and it was quite clear highest placed player in MLG gets a code S seed, This would be Naniwa that would be how he got his seed, now they are changing it which turns a good proffessional stand from gom into something shady that needs to be addressed.

Like i said i still support gom and will continue to watch but this needs to be addressed. Once again Gom is nothing like KeSPA.
superstartran
Profile Joined March 2010
United States4013 Posts
December 14 2011 22:13 GMT
#223
On December 15 2011 07:10 101998 wrote:
Thanks for making my decision not to ever watch a GOM event again easy. I was going back and forth on it but this post seals the deal.

Also, I love how in GSL October Up and Down group C you didn't have the last two matches played because they wouldn't have effected the result but you go ahead and have Naniwa and Nestea play under the same situtation. GOM showing who the true joke trounament is.




Because they have many more matches to play in GSL; this tournament is an invitational that consisted of 8 players showcasing the most skilled players in all of Starcraft 2 (arguably the most talented player pool ever gathered). It is both a tournament and a showcase of skill and entertainment. Obviously Naniwa missed that point, thus the incident.
guch
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden18 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 22:18:22
December 14 2011 22:13 GMT
#224
Totally weird how MLG Providence was no longer how he earned his code S spot. I've been under the impression that good placings in MLG will reward Code A/S spots. I guess I was wrong.

Personally, and I think I'm not the only one feeling this way. But one of the main ingredients for a good game, is to have it matter. A game that does not matter does not entertain me. Everybody knows that in a game that doesn't matter, the players wont give their 110%(if they say they do, I'd call it a lie), if the players don't play their absolute best, what's the point?

It's not fun to watch a "fun game", its fun to watch serious matches.
JinDesu
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3990 Posts
December 14 2011 22:13 GMT
#225
On December 15 2011 07:10 pi_rate_pir_ate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 07:02 JinDesu wrote:
On December 15 2011 07:00 Derity wrote:
so why idra and sen?
why not stephano? did you even talk to him?

GomTv really failed to make clear that MLG Providence didn't give a Code S seed.


I believe Stephano has made a point that he does not want to play in Korea (GSL)

On December 15 2011 07:01 pi_rate_pir_ate wrote:
I have a question about the game NaNiWa played against Nestea.


Did he micro his probes or simply stop them by Nestea?


The reason that I ask this, is that if he tried to win with his probe rush, I fail to see the distinction between this and a discouraged player cheesing his way out of a tournament.


He did not. He a-moved. At least Nestea went mineral drill to surround the probes.



Thank you! I wish I could have watched the games. I'm still a little confused about whether he had already been awarded the Code S or whether it was "under consideration." If it had been awarded, then it is clearly a punishment and GomTV is lying. This would seem completely unnecessary, because obviously you can't have players deliberately throwing games because that would make match-fixing motive based rather than fact based. GomTV did mention this last point in their statement.

So my remaining question:

Had Code S been officially awarded to NaNiWa? Is there digital or hard proof of this fact?


There has never been, as far as I know, a GOMTV announcement that Naniwa gets Code S.
Yargh
jhk0219
Profile Joined March 2011
United States189 Posts
December 14 2011 22:13 GMT
#226
On December 15 2011 07:10 101998 wrote:
Thanks for making my decision not to ever watch a GOM event again easy. I was going back and forth on it but this post seals the deal.

Also, I love how in GSL October Up and Down group C you didn't have the last two matches played because they wouldn't have effected the result but you go ahead and have Naniwa and Nestea play under the same situtation. GOM showing who the true joke trounament is.


Whether or not players did not have to play in GSL October is irrelevant. Watch the video. Do you see how disappointed and irritated Nestea looks? If you're a professional player, you shouldn't be playing just for the money, and even if you are, you need to recognize that there are other players that want to project their efforts. Nestea probably practiced tens, if not hundreds, of hours to prepare for BlizzCup. Naniwa was disrespecting Nestea and his efforts when he threw that game and showed no interest in competition at all.
HappyChris
Profile Joined October 2011
1534 Posts
December 14 2011 22:13 GMT
#227
On December 15 2011 07:11 Kazeyonoma wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 07:08 Flondra wrote:
Why didn't GOMTV clear up the misunderstanding with the Code S spot long time ago? Seems convenient that they let that "misunderstanding" flow through the community and only now clear it up.

Because Gom is supposed to address every rumor that flies around? Gom never publicly stated Naniwa was given a Code S, speculation did.


they did read what Waxangel wrote:

Hihi: Your Official Announcement

Pro Circuit Players Competing in the GSL

At MLG Columbus, the Top 3 non-Korean finishers will each be placed into GSL Code A.
At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows:

Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, regardless of country of origin, who doesn't already have Code S status.

Jackle
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada859 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 22:14:49
December 14 2011 22:13 GMT
#228
On December 15 2011 07:08 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 07:06 Jackle wrote:
On December 15 2011 07:04 Waxangel wrote:
Hihi: Your Official Announcement

Pro Circuit Players Competing in the GSL

At MLG Columbus, the Top 3 non-Korean finishers will each be placed into GSL Code A.
At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows:

Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, regardless of country of origin, who doesn't already have Code S status.


What's up?


Hihi: Source:


MLG is honored to announce a true game-changer for the world of competitive StarCraft 2. Beginning at MLG Columbus and continuing throughout the 2011 Season, Major League Gaming and the GOMTV Global StarCraft 2 League are establishing a League Exchange Program that will send the best MLG players to compete in the GSL, and allow top Korean talent to play live in the US.


Where were the 4 Korean invites to MLG Providence?


I love creative wording :D


Not really creative

MLG Announcement

GSL Pro Players Competing on the MLG Pro Circuit

MLG will invite four Korean pro players to each Pro Circuit Live Competition.

You called down the thunder, now reap the whirlwind.
staavros
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands32 Posts
December 14 2011 22:13 GMT
#229
At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows:

Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, regardless of country of origin, who doesn't already have Code S status.


MLG Providence was a 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition.

Pro Circuit Live Competitions grant Code S status. NOT invites to any particular tournament, be it Blizzard cup or anything else.

I expect either GOM or MLG, preferrably the latter, to explain to me and many others of the same opinion what of the above is wrong. For me that concludes the discussion about GOM simply deciding to NOT OFFER naniwa code S, versus TAKING IT AWAY from him.

On a side note, just an observation: Naniwa's code S status was announced by virtually EVERY party involved in starcraft 2 those previous weeks. Shouldn't GOM clarify that this is not true?

I am sorry, but no matter how much I try to rationalize it driven by my love for starcraft, it still seems absolutely clear that the rules changed overnight. I will still, with great hope, anticipate a statement that sets things straight.
SC2NeCro
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada507 Posts
December 14 2011 22:13 GMT
#230
There is no rumour that NaNiWa was to be awarded a code s spot for what he did, it was written in stone. Come on people, stop providing misinformation. MLG clearly stated it themselves. Not Slasher.
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PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
December 14 2011 22:13 GMT
#231
Ugh seriously? People really need to loosen up a little. What Nani did was retarded, but no, it shouldn't have been punished.

The shit thrown at him from the internet is enough.
Hello
LiamTheZerg
Profile Joined March 2011
United States523 Posts
December 14 2011 22:13 GMT
#232
I am proud to say i am quite a fan of GSL and this decision. I respect you for enforcing your beliefs and hope you continue to act professionally in the future
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HappyChris
Profile Joined October 2011
1534 Posts
December 14 2011 22:13 GMT
#233
On December 15 2011 07:13 JinDesu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 07:10 pi_rate_pir_ate wrote:
On December 15 2011 07:02 JinDesu wrote:
On December 15 2011 07:00 Derity wrote:
so why idra and sen?
why not stephano? did you even talk to him?

GomTv really failed to make clear that MLG Providence didn't give a Code S seed.


I believe Stephano has made a point that he does not want to play in Korea (GSL)

On December 15 2011 07:01 pi_rate_pir_ate wrote:
I have a question about the game NaNiWa played against Nestea.


Did he micro his probes or simply stop them by Nestea?


The reason that I ask this, is that if he tried to win with his probe rush, I fail to see the distinction between this and a discouraged player cheesing his way out of a tournament.


He did not. He a-moved. At least Nestea went mineral drill to surround the probes.



Thank you! I wish I could have watched the games. I'm still a little confused about whether he had already been awarded the Code S or whether it was "under consideration." If it had been awarded, then it is clearly a punishment and GomTV is lying. This would seem completely unnecessary, because obviously you can't have players deliberately throwing games because that would make match-fixing motive based rather than fact based. GomTV did mention this last point in their statement.

So my remaining question:

Had Code S been officially awarded to NaNiWa? Is there digital or hard proof of this fact?


There has never been, as far as I know, a GOMTV announcement that Naniwa gets Code S.


Read Waxangels post
Tommylew
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Wales2717 Posts
December 14 2011 22:14 GMT
#234
On December 15 2011 07:11 Kazeyonoma wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 07:08 Flondra wrote:
Why didn't GOMTV clear up the misunderstanding with the Code S spot long time ago? Seems convenient that they let that "misunderstanding" flow through the community and only now clear it up.

Because Gom is supposed to address every rumor that flies around? Gom never publicly stated Naniwa was given a Code S, speculation did.


yeh but their PARTNER did. on their own site they say EVERY tournament in 2011(which prov was) would generate a code s seed and now they say that wasnt the case... link is like 3 pages back to PROOF of that post on gom's website...
Live and Let Die!
Baum
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany1010 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 22:14:57
December 14 2011 22:14 GMT
#235
GomTV should get their facts straight. As mentioned we "weren't just under the impression" that Naniwa earned a seed by winning MLG it was told to us by MLG and various other sources and GomTV never corrected it. Now that there is some controversy they suddenly come out to say it was different all together. Also GomTV admits that Naniwa hasn't broken any rules still they take away his spot and claim it shouldn't be seen as a punishment. This statement doesn't clear anything up it just confirms what we already assumed that GomTV doesn't judge players by set rules but just makes up rules on the fly..
I want to be with those who share secret things or else alone.
the bruvler
Profile Joined January 2009
16 Posts
December 14 2011 22:14 GMT
#236
Ashamed to have supported GOMTV for over a year to have them pull this kneejerk bullshit. Great job twisting wording and rules to kick out a guy on pure emotion. Feels good to save some money for once.
Kazeyonoma
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2912 Posts
December 14 2011 22:14 GMT
#237
On December 15 2011 07:12 Eee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 07:04 Waxangel wrote:
Hihi: Your Official Announcement

Pro Circuit Players Competing in the GSL

At MLG Columbus, the Top 3 non-Korean finishers will each be placed into GSL Code A.
At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows:

Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, regardless of country of origin, who doesn't already have Code S status.


What's up?

Yeah, how does GOM explain this?



Because in the MLG agreement, they also state that they'll send over 4 korean invites every tournament in 2011 as well but did not in providence, maybe this assumed then that no LXG was going to happen as a result of Providence. That's the way I interpret it. Why is it that people are picking apart an agreement of GSL side but ignoring that MLG didn't do their part for that tournament either, and thus voided the LXG participation across the board for this tournament?
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Hubris
Profile Joined November 2010
United States113 Posts
December 14 2011 22:14 GMT
#238
Thank you GOM for upholding a standard that players should live by to compete in your events. You've gained a lot of respect in my eyes, and I look forward to your events in the future knowing you're keeping players in line to provide the best entertainment possible for Sc2 viewers. This sport is about more than money.
Wut?
zeru
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
8156 Posts
December 14 2011 22:15 GMT
#239
--- Nuked ---
LoCaD
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1634 Posts
December 14 2011 22:15 GMT
#240
So the Naniwa Drama will hopefully End with this Decision, how undeserved the Severity from GOM maybe cause losing Code S is no small Punishment, and there are other Players out there who don't care about the Viewer Experience, in what they view as unimportant Matches.

However there may come something good out of this for the Viewer. With the Treat of Punishment for not caring for all your Matches hopefully the Quality and Lenghts of the Games increase witch leads to GSL being even better thats what I pay for in the End.
I give up, I just don't know what to write here.
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