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dacimvrl
Profile Joined December 2011
Vatican City State582 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 22:08:25
December 14 2011 22:07 GMT
#181
On December 15 2011 07:04 farnham wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 07:02 dacimvrl wrote:
Dude, who are you kidding. MLG outright advertised code S invitation as a prize. Hello?

The statement reads: He didn't break any rules, but he hurt my feelings. I personally have more power than the rules, and I am willing to bend the rules so I can punish whoever I want.

he did break contractual obligations according to the applicable law


He didn't break any rules according to Mr. Chae's statement aka original post.

GEE, I am not sure if I should trust you more or trust Mr. Chae's statement more. This is a toughy.

So much for the LuLz.
oban
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden18 Posts
December 14 2011 22:08 GMT
#182
Hilarious! Gom now admits he didn't break any rules, but that they felt butthurt that he forfeitet a pointless game. And all of a sudden they didn't really give him a code S spot in the first place so this punishment really isn't a punishment. He was just being considered.

Does anyone actually believe all the bullshit coming from this joke of an organization?
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10939 Posts
December 14 2011 22:08 GMT
#183
On December 15 2011 07:07 Swiv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 06:33 GOMTV wrote:
Not only progamers, but professional athletes in every sports prove and showcase their skill through the game and by doing so entertain their fans.

Original post: http://www.gomtv.net/forum/view.gom?topicid=212470&cid=0&kind=8

EURO League Football, this evening, big deal millions of people are watching. Haifa - Schalke 04. Schalke was already through the group phase as 1st, Haifa fought for their spot for the next rount or being completely eliminated from the tournament (lol wtf is losers bracket?!). Schalke conserved a LOT of good players including Farfan, Huntelaar and even Raul. no one really complains. just something to think about... and those situations happen again and again for "profootballers".


This is not nearly the same and if you don't see why you might should see a doctor or a person with a working brain.
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33677 Posts
December 14 2011 22:08 GMT
#184
On December 15 2011 07:06 Jackle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 07:04 Waxangel wrote:
Hihi: Your Official Announcement

Pro Circuit Players Competing in the GSL

At MLG Columbus, the Top 3 non-Korean finishers will each be placed into GSL Code A.
At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows:

Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, regardless of country of origin, who doesn't already have Code S status.


What's up?


Hihi: Source:


Show nested quote +
MLG is honored to announce a true game-changer for the world of competitive StarCraft 2. Beginning at MLG Columbus and continuing throughout the 2011 Season, Major League Gaming and the GOMTV Global StarCraft 2 League are establishing a League Exchange Program that will send the best MLG players to compete in the GSL, and allow top Korean talent to play live in the US.


Where were the 4 Korean invites to MLG Providence?


I love creative wording :D
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
WaSa
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden749 Posts
December 14 2011 22:08 GMT
#185
On December 15 2011 07:05 farnham wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 07:04 Waxangel wrote:
Hihi: Your Official Announcement

Pro Circuit Players Competing in the GSL

At MLG Columbus, the Top 3 non-Korean finishers will each be placed into GSL Code A.
At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows:

Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, regardless of country of origin, who doesn't already have Code S status.


What's up?

Even if that was true Gom is entitled to terminate the current contractual relationship with naniwa


fine. Just don't lie to the community of your blatant manipulations, double standard morally correct bullshit.
Flondra
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada56 Posts
December 14 2011 22:08 GMT
#186
Why didn't GOMTV clear up the misunderstanding with the Code S spot long time ago? Seems convenient that they let that "misunderstanding" flow through the community and only now clear it up.
SC2NeCro
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada507 Posts
December 14 2011 22:08 GMT
#187
On December 15 2011 07:04 Waxangel wrote:
Hihi: Your Official Announcement

Show nested quote +
Pro Circuit Players Competing in the GSL

At MLG Columbus, the Top 3 non-Korean finishers will each be placed into GSL Code A.
At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows:

Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, regardless of country of origin, who doesn't already have Code S status.


What's up?


Good on you for finding this mate. Thank you.
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superstartran
Profile Joined March 2010
United States4013 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 22:09:12
December 14 2011 22:08 GMT
#188
On December 15 2011 06:57 Chill wrote:
This whole thing makes me wish there were objective rules (points, ranking, etc.) to see who got the two Code S invites - I don't see why there aren't.




This is what happens when you have no governing body over a sport. Basically tournaments are given discretion to do whatever they want.
diophan
Profile Joined September 2011
United States1018 Posts
December 14 2011 22:09 GMT
#189
On December 15 2011 07:03 Tyrant0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 06:59 Velr wrote:
On December 15 2011 06:56 Tyrant0 wrote:
On December 15 2011 06:52 Velr wrote:
On December 15 2011 06:50 Tyrant0 wrote:
On December 15 2011 06:47 Velr wrote:
On December 15 2011 06:43 Gin-san wrote:
That's actually a pretty lame response, just like i expected it. They think they're 100% correct and only blame NaNiwa. Hopefully Blizzard won't give the next SC2 contract to you but to KeSPA.



That is probably because factually they are 100% correct.


Having a "pointless" game in the tournament is not "good" but is not part of the issue. Naniwas unprofessional behaviour is.


And Naniwa takes 100% of the heat and GOMtv none. Naniwa is the villain who should apologize and have his balls clipped. All this did is further empower GOM as a league above all of SC2 esports, intentional or not, and fans/players are willing to sit back and take it.



GOM IS NOT AT FAULT.

Bitch all you want, but GOM IS NOT AT FAULT.

Thats why Naniwa/Quantic made an excuse and GOM is only writing an explanation.

GOM IS NOT AT FAULT.


Also: The punishment isn't really "hard".. A Korean probably would get a livetime ban for doing something like this...


GOM had no rules against it. They had inconsequential matches. This NEVER happened in GSL, because when a match goes 2-0 you don't play the third. The one time it did happen it was blatant match fixing and punished. They hyped the drama towards Naniwa. Naniwa/Quantic are making an excuse because they'll probably never fight with a league to save face with PR, but the fans aren't reserved to that luxury.

And I probably wouldn't agree with any punishment a Korean might have received.


Losing a match on purpose is against everything any competetive sport is, let alone a professional sport. He even got paid to play this match.
If you need a written rule against matchfixing/dropping, i'm sorry for you.


No logical competitor would lose a match on purpose unless it didn't count for anything. Besides, Mr Chae doesn't care about competition. You can throw a match as long as it's entertaining; it perfectly fits his twisted definition of a pro gamer that completely encapsulates GOM's financial incentive as a business. Just ask Nestea who said he lost to HuK in an attempt to entertain fans that went wrong.


I'm glad you're in the unique position to psychoanalyze Mr. Chae. Nestea tried to win in an entertaining way and ended up losing because of it... I'm pretty sure he got embarrassed by that. Nani made a statement by refusing to use his keyboard, click all his probes over to his opponents base, and then stared at the screen with disinterest. I don't know what to say if you can't see the difference.
Euronyme
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden3804 Posts
December 14 2011 22:09 GMT
#190
So now they bend the rules to remove players they don't like? Oh great, that's some professionalism right there.
I bet i can maı̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̨̨̨̨̨̨ke you wipe your screen.
deezy
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30 Posts
December 14 2011 22:09 GMT
#191
On December 15 2011 07:08 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 07:06 Jackle wrote:
On December 15 2011 07:04 Waxangel wrote:
Hihi: Your Official Announcement

Pro Circuit Players Competing in the GSL

At MLG Columbus, the Top 3 non-Korean finishers will each be placed into GSL Code A.
At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows:

Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, regardless of country of origin, who doesn't already have Code S status.


What's up?


Hihi: Source:


MLG is honored to announce a true game-changer for the world of competitive StarCraft 2. Beginning at MLG Columbus and continuing throughout the 2011 Season, Major League Gaming and the GOMTV Global StarCraft 2 League are establishing a League Exchange Program that will send the best MLG players to compete in the GSL, and allow top Korean talent to play live in the US.


Where were the 4 Korean invites to MLG Providence?


I love creative wording :D



Thanks for pointing this out WaxAngel. I can't believe people are just overlooking this.
merz
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Sweden2760 Posts
December 14 2011 22:09 GMT
#192
On December 15 2011 06:43 Gin-san wrote:
That's actually a pretty lame response, just like i expected it. They think they're 100% correct and only blame NaNiwa. Hopefully Blizzard won't give the next SC2 contract to you but to KeSPA.



Haha, really, people throw around so much crap and don't have a clue about what they are asking for. KeSPA, as an organisation who have helped e-sports grow and mature in Korea, is GREAT.

But KeSPA is also very strict and overly fucking protective of what they do. Had this been KeSPA, Naniwa would've been banned from any further competition in the GSL in the blink of an eye. So no, you should be thanking your lucky star that KeSPA is not running the show.
Winners never quit, quitters never win.
Namenlos
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany96 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 22:15:24
December 14 2011 22:09 GMT
#193
So all the news on complexity website, the mlg website etc that NaNiWa earned a code s spot right after his 2nd place were overlooked by gomtv? Are you thinking we are retarded?


addition: I always thought I get to see the best players when i watched code s and wasnt really happy about the exchange programm but bending rules that hard is simply ridiculous. I hope standing by your words means not that little to all koreans and its just mr chae who chose to do so.
JinDesu
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3990 Posts
December 14 2011 22:09 GMT
#194
On December 15 2011 07:08 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 07:06 Jackle wrote:
On December 15 2011 07:04 Waxangel wrote:
Hihi: Your Official Announcement

Pro Circuit Players Competing in the GSL

At MLG Columbus, the Top 3 non-Korean finishers will each be placed into GSL Code A.
At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows:

Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, regardless of country of origin, who doesn't already have Code S status.


What's up?


Hihi: Source:


MLG is honored to announce a true game-changer for the world of competitive StarCraft 2. Beginning at MLG Columbus and continuing throughout the 2011 Season, Major League Gaming and the GOMTV Global StarCraft 2 League are establishing a League Exchange Program that will send the best MLG players to compete in the GSL, and allow top Korean talent to play live in the US.


Where were the 4 Korean invites to MLG Providence?


I love creative wording :D


It is an exchange program though.
Yargh
Nyarly
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
France1030 Posts
December 14 2011 22:10 GMT
#195
I really fail to see why people are so angry against GSL. Every single argument they use are proven wrong..
Good job GOM, keep the fair play and competitive spirit in E-Sport Starcraft 2 !
SC2NeCro
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada507 Posts
December 14 2011 22:10 GMT
#196
On December 15 2011 07:08 oban wrote:
Hilarious! Gom now admits he didn't break any rules, but that they felt butthurt that he forfeitet a pointless game. And all of a sudden they didn't really give him a code S spot in the first place so this punishment really isn't a punishment. He was just being considered.

Does anyone actually believe all the bullshit coming from this joke of an organization?


Already scores of them do, which is unfortunate. I really hope people see what kind of an organization this is. NaNiWa should have not had his Code S spot revoked.
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Honeybadger
Profile Joined August 2010
United States821 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 22:10:34
December 14 2011 22:10 GMT
#197
God, Team Liquid posters yet again define emotional, knee-jerk reactions.
"I like to tape my thumbs to my hands to see what it would be like to be a dinosaur."
taLbuk
Profile Joined April 2010
Madagascar1879 Posts
December 14 2011 22:10 GMT
#198
I think the punishment IS reasonable however it feels like a cop out to simple state that the MLG did not award code S seed when it was plastered EVERYWHERE and is a major draw to watching MLG.

I really want to know if MLG even knew this, sounds like they didn't to me.

Jackle
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada859 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 22:11:45
December 14 2011 22:10 GMT
#199
On December 15 2011 07:07 zeru wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 07:06 Jackle wrote:
On December 15 2011 07:04 Waxangel wrote:
Hihi: Your Official Announcement

Pro Circuit Players Competing in the GSL

At MLG Columbus, the Top 3 non-Korean finishers will each be placed into GSL Code A.
At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows:

Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, regardless of country of origin, who doesn't already have Code S status.


What's up?


Hihi:

MLG is honored to announce a true game-changer for the world of competitive StarCraft 2. Beginning at MLG Columbus and continuing throughout the 2011 Season, Major League Gaming and the GOMTV Global StarCraft 2 League are establishing a League Exchange Program that will send the best MLG players to compete in the GSL, and allow top Korean talent to play live in the US.


Where were the 4 Korean invites to MLG Providence?

no, but it states that code S spot will be awarded at every MLG in 2011, no exceptions. doesnt matter if 4 koreans were sent or not. read what he linked.


MLG Announcement

"GSL Pro Players Competing on the MLG Pro Circuit

MLG will invite four Korean pro players to each Pro Circuit Live Competition."
You called down the thunder, now reap the whirlwind.
101998
Profile Joined December 2010
United States318 Posts
December 14 2011 22:10 GMT
#200
Thanks for making my decision not to ever watch a GOM event again easy. I was going back and forth on it but this post seals the deal.

Also, I love how in GSL October Up and Down group C you didn't have the last two matches played because they wouldn't have effected the result but you go ahead and have Naniwa and Nestea play under the same situtation. GOM showing who the true joke trounament is.
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