On December 15 2011 06:59 Cathasaigh wrote: Well this statement did absolutely nothing to change my opinion of the situation regarding GOM especially since their only reasoning is Naniwa doesn't conform to their idea of a programer. It was a pointless show match that he shouldn't have had to play in the first place and because he didn't play it out and therefore doesn't fit their idea of a progamer he doesn't get to be in code S? Only thing this statement does is clear up some of the misinformation that most people had already figured out anyways.
Yeah seems like in GOM's eyes the skill that naniwa had when he was going to be given the spot was much higher than after the incident. Because, you know, doing a probe rush actually lessens your overall skill. True story.
On December 15 2011 07:01 pi_rate_pir_ate wrote: I have a question about the game NaNiWa played against Nestea.
Did he micro his probes or simply stop them by Nestea?
The reason that I ask this, is that if he tried to win with his probe rush, I fail to see the distinction between this and a discouraged player cheesing his way out of a tournament.
On December 15 2011 06:43 Gin-san wrote: That's actually a pretty lame response, just like i expected it. They think they're 100% correct and only blame NaNiwa. Hopefully Blizzard won't give the next SC2 contract to you but to KeSPA.
That is probably because factually they are 100% correct.
Having a "pointless" game in the tournament is not "good" but is not part of the issue. Naniwas unprofessional behaviour is.
And Naniwa takes 100% of the heat and GOMtv none. Naniwa is the villain who should apologize and have his balls clipped. All this did is further empower GOM as a league above all of SC2 esports, intentional or not, and fans/players are willing to sit back and take it.
GOM IS NOT AT FAULT.
Bitch all you want, but GOM IS NOT AT FAULT.
Thats why Naniwa/Quantic made an excuse and GOM is only writing an explanation.
GOM IS NOT AT FAULT.
Also: The punishment isn't really "hard".. A Korean probably would get a livetime ban for doing something like this...
GOM had no rules against it. They had inconsequential matches. This NEVER happened in GSL, because when a match goes 2-0 you don't play the third. The one time it did happen it was blatant match fixing and punished. They hyped the drama towards Naniwa. Naniwa/Quantic are making an excuse because they'll probably never fight with a league to save face with PR, but the fans aren't reserved to that luxury.
And I probably wouldn't agree with any punishment a Korean might have received.
Losing a match on purpose is against everything any competetive sport is, let alone a professional sport. He even got paid to play this match. If you need a written rule against matchfixing/dropping, i'm sorry for you.
No logical competitor would lose a match on purpose unless it didn't count for anything. Besides, Mr Chae doesn't care about competition. You can throw a match as long as it's entertaining; it perfectly fits his twisted definition of a pro gamer that completely encapsulates GOM's financial incentive as a business. Just ask Nestea who said he lost to HuK in an attempt to entertain fans that went wrong.
On December 15 2011 07:01 pi_rate_pir_ate wrote: *Edit* seemingly answered above. Can someone confirm? Did he actually A move without any micro? *Edit*
I have a question about the game NaNiWa played against Nestea.
Did he micro his probes or simply stop them by Nestea?
The reason that I ask this, is that if he tried to win with his probe rush, I fail to see the distinction between this and a discouraged player cheesing his way out of a tournament.
On December 15 2011 06:41 zeru wrote: Very confusing that you "changed" how code S seeds from MLG worked without telling anyone, especially MLG and every single news site which reported that he won a code S spot for january. Seems a little fishy.
I just want everything to work out! hope naniwa doesn't get too bitter about this, he did fuck up after all. What i really think is missing from this statement though is GOM acknowledging at least that there was a mistake on their part to put these players in such a shitty situation in the first place, playing games where nothing will come from it regardless of the outcome after they are out of the tournament can't be expected to produce quality games.
This clears up a lot actually. Hope everyone comes across this thread and reads it in its entirety.
TLDR: Naniwa didn't earn a codeS spot at MLG providence, rather he earned a spot to compete in the Blizzard Cup. He was being considered as one of the candidates for a code S seed into GSL January but those picks ultimately went to IdrA and Sen.
On December 15 2011 06:43 Gin-san wrote: That's actually a pretty lame response, just like i expected it. They think they're 100% correct and only blame NaNiwa. Hopefully Blizzard won't give the next SC2 contract to you but to KeSPA.
If you think KeSPA would have had a less severe punishment for Naniwa, you're living in a fantasy world.
On December 15 2011 07:01 pi_rate_pir_ate wrote: I have a question about the game NaNiWa played against Nestea.
Did he micro his probes or simply stop them by Nestea?
The reason that I ask this, is that if he tried to win with his probe rush, I fail to see the distinction between this and a discouraged player cheesing his way out of a tournament.
On December 15 2011 06:43 Gin-san wrote: That's actually a pretty lame response, just like i expected it. They think they're 100% correct and only blame NaNiwa. Hopefully Blizzard won't give the next SC2 contract to you but to KeSPA.
That is probably because factually they are 100% correct.
Having a "pointless" game in the tournament is not "good" but is not part of the issue. Naniwas unprofessional behaviour is.
So you only see that the issue lies within Naniwa's unprofessional behaviour, and no issue with the very obvious fact that none of this would have occurred if the Blizzard Cup didn't have such a horrible layout?
I'm not disagreeing with you. But you are being ignorant just like GOM, by trying to understand and respond to the situation correctly without even considering perhaps they are not 100% correct and that maybe they themselves deserve to carry some of the blame.
I call bullshit. According to the MLG staffer posts in the other thread they didnt even know whats going on and they even distanced themselves from slashers comments! It made it apparent they thought Nani had a code S Spot.
Gom Is just reaaranging everythign the way they please and interpreting rules on the fly as they like. This is BS ....
A lot of people share the opinion that NaNiWa has not broken any rules and should therefore not receive any punishment.
It is true that NaNiWa has not taken actions that break any explicit rules, like for example using a cheat to gain an unfair advantage. NaNiWa has however purposefully not tried his best and shown this in a disrespectful manner. This was not only disappointing for his opponent NesTea and the GSL, but also for the many fans who had anticipated a great match. This behavior does not match with the definition of a progamer as laid out in the paragraph above.
So he broke no rule, they admit it themselves!! I cant even compute .... Everyone and I mean everyone thought Nani had a Code S secured from MLG providence and now after this "incident" all of the sudden he hasnt? ... BS
I'm sorry but this is a blantant lie. According to the mlg exchange program agreement: "At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows: Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, within the Top 3, regardless of country of origin, who does not already have Code S status."
Blizzard cup is not code S. It is an additional tournament outside of the league exchange program which you invited naniwa too because of his recent tournament results. Not because of the league exchange program.
MLG Providence was a pro circuit 2011 event. Naniwa earned a code S spot and you revoked it.
At MLG Columbus, the Top 3 non-Korean finishers will each be placed into GSL Code A. At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows:
Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, regardless of country of origin, who doesn't already have Code S status.
[QUOTE]On December 15 2011 06:53 Kazeyonoma wrote: [QUOTE]On December 15 2011 06:49 trucane wrote: Bad statement because of the following.
1. No apology for slandering naniwa live 2. The whole giving seed to Sen/Idra based on performance when we know its because of their fan base ( stop lying and be honest for once) 3. Lying about the whole Naniwa Providence Seed part ( if you never gave him a code S spot then how the heck can you punish him by taking it away).
Sorry but there is no way i will ever support GOM in the future. I for one will vote with my wallet and not buy anymore tickets and I will tell all my friends to avoid it as well[/QUOTE]
I hate people like this, who just jump at the situation without doing adequate research beforehand.
1. There was no slandering of naniwa live. It was faulty translation.
2. Sen/Idra have been performing well recently. It's really got nothing to do with their fan base, and even if it was, the decision would be justified by the fact that they have the skill level to compete at this tournament.
3. Are you illiterate? They awarded the code S spot based on his recent achievements.
Do some research before you go off spewing falsehood
On December 15 2011 07:02 dacimvrl wrote: Dude, who are you kidding. MLG outright advertised code S invitation as a prize. Hello?
The statement reads: He didn't break any rules, but he hurt my feelings. I personally have more power than the rules, and I am willing to bend the rules so I can punish whoever I want.
he did break contractual obligations according to the applicable law
At MLG Columbus, the Top 3 non-Korean finishers will each be placed into GSL Code A. At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows:
Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, regardless of country of origin, who doesn't already have Code S status.
What's up?
Even if that was true Gom is entitled to terminate the current contractual relationship with naniwa
EPT
