EPTGOMTV Announcement regarding NaNiWa - Page 85
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Jackle
Canada859 Posts
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YourmumisEZ
Romania22 Posts
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kcbgoku
Poland156 Posts
you said format creates a meaningless situation where both teams face each other with 0-3 record. Yes I did and yes it does. | ||
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Govou
Canada1072 Posts
On December 15 2011 18:38 kcbgoku wrote: If by "match is a match" you are really saying football match = sc2 match = volleyball match then this is just hopeless case or troll so i'll just pass. Yes I did and yes it does. what are you talking about? whether it is a soccer match, football match or rock paper scissor match, this format has possibility of creating the situation. Are you saying the ONLY reason there is no meaningless game in world cup is because they have to play it out? Have you even watched any world cup where players play for honor and professionalism? Besides, who decide it is a meaningless game? a group of fans? players? can you imagine a team in world cup not even trying because they are arelady 0-3 and facing another 0-3? No they at least owe it to audience, fans and spirit of the competition to play out well. what you say makes no sense when you say this format is flawed. | ||
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SoniStreet
Macedonia98 Posts
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Govou
Canada1072 Posts
On December 15 2011 18:51 SoniStreet wrote: This is so stupid beyond words, how do they even think so selfish. GOMTV does what they do for money, and it's not OK for Naniwa to think about money? There is no progamer with a secondary job so of course they think about making a living out of it too. Sadly the community is full of people who can't think outside the box and a little wall of text changes their minds oh so quickly. I would have done the same in Naniwa's place he practices hard every day and to loose 0-3 is not easy. If they wanted to have a fun game then they should re-think their system not kick out people of Code S which deserve their spot. There was never an agreement to give him code S. http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?id=940944&board=0&category=13438&subcategory=&page=4&best=&searchmode=title&search=&orderby=&token= article written just after MLG providence. Also it's called professional conduct bro. Something you dont seem to grasp. | ||
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Tofugrinder
Austria899 Posts
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Kettchup
United States1911 Posts
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Assirra
Belgium4169 Posts
On December 15 2011 18:55 Kettchup wrote: I have to disagree with GOM. Naniwa did not purposefully lose the match, he simply didn't care. And rightly so as it was nothing more than a showmatch. Players never reveal their best strategies in meaningless games, and thus never play their best. Naniwa was 100% right when he said he should have just 4-gated and no one would have cared. He didn't lose on purposefully? He clearly had zero intention to win and lost on purpose just to get it it over with. And no, its not a showmatch, it was still part of a serious tournament. | ||
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Kettchup
United States1911 Posts
On December 15 2011 18:59 Assirra wrote: He didn't lose on purposefully? He clearly had zero intention to win and lost on purpose just to get it it over with. And no, its not a showmatch, it was still part of a serious tournament. Everyone agrees that the match had absolutely no bearing outside of entertainment for the fans, that's the definition of a showmatch. I should correct myself though. Most showmatches actually have a small amount of money on the line, so this was even less important than a showmatch. The issue is 100% with GOM for not having anything on the line in a group stage format. Put a small amount of money on the line for each game, put GSL points on the line for each game or simply don't play it out like they do in the Up-and-Downs. There's no excuse for their system at all. | ||
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kcbgoku
Poland156 Posts
On December 15 2011 18:50 Govou wrote: what are you talking about? whether it is a soccer match, football match or rock paper scissor match, this format has possibility of creating the situation. Are you saying the ONLY reason there is no meaningless game in world cup is because they have to play it out? Have you even watched any world cup where players play for honor and professionalism? Besides, who decide it is a meaningless game? a group of fans? players? can you imagine a team in world cup not even trying because they are arelady 0-3 and facing another 0-3? No they at least owe it to audience, fans and spirit of the competition to play out well. what you say makes no sense when you say this format is flawed. I didn't say this format is flawed everywhere in our universe. It won't work in tournament like this. Noone decides it's meaningless. It just is. Even GOM said that. If you care or not that just depends on you or your team. And you try as hard as you care. You wan't to tell that every friendly match or match for "honor" is played out with 100% engagement? Please. Teams play with reserve players, pass balls with 0 aggression. And maybe that's not the only reason, but it's a big reason why they play pointless matches - because they have to. Also matches are scheduled for millions of wievers and with break between matches so you don't play exhausted or with bad mindset because you just lost 3 other matches 20 minutes ago. | ||
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Durin
Sweden9 Posts
Straight up punishing a player for something that he when he did it had no idea was against there rules is just sad and shows how bad they are at explaining there rules and system to players they invite to player games for them. | ||
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ladyumbra
Canada1699 Posts
Also what if the internal invite rankings had changed ( again without us knowing of this invite system change) what if Sen had won dreamhack winter and then NASL and Idra did incredibly well in WCG? Shouldn't that boost them to the top two spots of the invitee list. How confused would people have been if prior to the blizzard cup suddenly Gom came out and was like " Yeah so Naniwa never really had a code S spot and we were gonna give him one but then these players won more stuff, sorry we didn't tell you sooner that we changed how invites work". How many people can honestly say they'd be like "Oh well please communicate better next time, no harm no foul." I'm all for the new invite system especially because it rewards tournaments other than just MLG but it seems like ( this time) somewhere along the way communication broke down. Gom failed to alert MLG to their change in plans, MLG failed to double check before writing articles and no one apparently felt it was a good idea to make sure everyone was on the same page with regards to what then complexity and Naniwa thought was supposed to happen. I'm not saying people should start a witch hunt but someone on gom or MLG's side needs to step forward and explain how this misrepresentation of a siutation was allowed to happen. | ||
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Fjodorov
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Full.tilt
United Kingdom1709 Posts
edit: to post below, no they haven't replied to any of my support emails. | ||
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zanmat0
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felisconcolori
United States6169 Posts
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Govou
Canada1072 Posts
On December 15 2011 19:13 kcbgoku wrote: I didn't say this format is flawed everywhere in our universe. It won't work in tournament like this. Noone decides it's meaningless. It just is. Even GOM said that. If you care or not that just depends on you or your team. And you try as hard as you care. You wan't to tell that every friendly match or match for "honor" is played out with 100% engagement? Please. Teams play with reserve players, pass balls with 0 aggression. And maybe that's not the only reason, but it's a big reason why they play pointless matches - because they have to. Also matches are scheduled for millions of wievers and with break between matches so you don't play exhausted or with bad mindset because you just lost 3 other matches 20 minutes ago. nice so let's ignore sc2 viewers who wanted to see that scheduled match because they are not important. btw there was a break in between the game. if you followed what people were saying, they werent even asking for 80% game. if he 4 gated or cannon rushed, I would have been fine. Also there is no meaningless game on televised game where sponsors pay big money. To just throw away the game in Naniwa's fashion is hugely unprofessional. Did you even read Naniwa's statement? He only thought of himself and was selfish. man I wont waste my time anymore on guys like you who think professional can just quit whenever they like if they find it stupid. I have better things to do. | ||
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The Void
Germany428 Posts
On December 15 2011 19:10 Kettchup wrote: Everyone agrees that the match had absolutely no bearing outside of entertainment for the fans, that's the definition of a showmatch. I should correct myself though. Most showmatches actually have a small amount of money on the line, so this was even less important than a showmatch. The issue is 100% with GOM for not having anything on the line in a group stage format. Put a small amount of money on the line for each game, put GSL points on the line for each game or simply don't play it out like they do in the Up-and-Downs. There's no excuse for their system at all. absolutely right. there is never an excuse for matches that doesn't matter at all in any tournament. the people who organize it are to blame. also i think there are no MOVES in the game, by PLAYING the game that actually can offend someone. it is in the players hand what they do and nobody is allowed to judge on that. if your not idra and type something like "fuck you", nobody should be punished because he move units like he wants to. | ||
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EpicNine
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