EPTOn December 15 2011 17:37 kcbgoku wrote:
Govou o_O
Name me one.
Govou o_O
Name me one.
ever heard of
World Cup?
I know I blew your mind. I'm sorry.
GOMTV Announcement regarding NaNiWa - Page 83
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Govou
Canada1072 Posts
ever heard of World Cup? I know I blew your mind. I'm sorry. | ||
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{ToT}ColmA
Japan3260 Posts
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kcbgoku
Poland156 Posts
I didn't realise they've changed their rules in groups and now they play to golden goal. | ||
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wunsun
Canada622 Posts
On December 15 2011 17:37 kcbgoku wrote: Govou o_O Name me one. Basically all sports are similar... NFL, NHL, NBA and MLB all basically have a similar format, in the sense that at the end of the season, there are a lot of games don't matter. Teams can be mathematically be eliminated with over 5 games to go. Yet the players still play hard for those games, maybe not as hard, but they don't roll over. | ||
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kazie
258 Posts
On December 15 2011 17:21 Luhrg wrote: And nowhere do you ever mention YOUR mistake in this? Having a format that forces players to play out meaningless matches will never result in top perfomances. Was it correct from Naniwa to do what he did? No. Understandable? I think so. Is it really any different than going for 4 gate or something else half heartedly? Maybe in all your "effort" to improve you should be critical of yourselfs as well. understandable? he's literally the only one i can think of right now who would do such a thing. no it's not really understandable | ||
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Govou
Canada1072 Posts
On December 15 2011 17:41 kcbgoku wrote: Yes I have heard of World Cup. I didn't realise they've changed their rules in groups and now they play to golden goal. I dont know what you are getting at. But you can be rest assured World Cup use exact same Bo1 group stage followed by the knockout tournamet. | ||
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LION`
Sweden19 Posts
On December 15 2011 17:44 kazie wrote: understandable? he's literally the only one i can think of right now who would do such a thing. no it's not really understandable Yet IdrA have been seen skipping alot of placement games. | ||
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Neptuneajax
Australia206 Posts
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droxe
Germany95 Posts
On December 15 2011 17:47 LION` wrote: Yet IdrA have been seen skipping alot of placement games. Are you trolling? There's a huge difference between a placement game and a game in a tournament vs Nestea that is being broadcasted... | ||
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Veldril
Thailand1817 Posts
On December 15 2011 17:47 LION` wrote: Yet IdrA have been seen skipping alot of placement games. IdrA skipping games also drew some flaks on him too, although not this much. However, the scale is totally different here. | ||
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Skyreaper
70 Posts
On December 15 2011 17:49 Neptuneajax wrote: What would Boxer say? Bet ya he's never chucked a "pointless" game before. Not just Boxer, every PRO-GAMER would say something like that. | ||
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oBlade
United States5592 Posts
On December 15 2011 17:36 rogscorp wrote: Do you think it's ok for pro-gamers to deliberately lose if they want? Like forfeiting? It's not the business of the tournament. If a player loses games on purpose just for the hell of it (not for some external reason like match-fixing which subverts earning money by doing well with earning money by doing badly), the only people who should care are his team/sponsors. At all. Casters shouldn't speak in a disappointed tone about it, netizens shouldn't flame about it, nobody should apologize for it. The only thing we should do is briefly laugh at an absurd and very rare (because of being self-defeating, as I will explain in the next paragraph) event. Marvel at the novelty of it. The same way we might cherish draw games or 6pools on huge stages. They're just cool because they're unique. I will explain this in terms of BW because the incentive structure is a lot more obvious. If a guy loses a PL game the way Naniwa did, it's going to be a long time if ever before he plays another because his team (i.e., his sponsors) wouldn't give him another appearance. Now suppose you do it in a meaningless game in SC2, well, the damage is basically minimal. But it's much more likely that you would quit this way in a game you're playing after already being eliminated than say in a finals match. That's because there's actual prize money at stake, so everyone's going to play seriously. WCG BW always had those huge groups, but they didn't broadcast every group game, especially not the ones being played between people who were already eliminated and at the bottom of their groups. As far as common sense goes, GOM is at fault here, not Naniwa. If a player wants to forfeit a match that's his own prerogative. I consider it a special treat if we get to see something unique like a televised probe rush in the process. | ||
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Master_Blaster
United Kingdom269 Posts
On December 15 2011 17:52 Skyreaper wrote: Not just Boxer, every PRO-GAMER would say something like that. Every person says hello on the street but we don't throw rocks at those who don't. GOM exaggerated by a mile since the circumstances allowed for such behavior. | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
The whole system of inviting foreigners based on "general results" is absurd, they can as well invite people that the daughter of GOM's cleaning lady likes the most. | ||
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The Void
Germany428 Posts
"I am sorry GOMTV, I have been a loyal customer since Season 1 as you can see from my account. I bought every single season pass but I am not gonna support you anymore. Your statment is really clear and extremely disappointing. The decision to revoke his Code S seeds shows that you are acting like an eomtional individual rather than a serious professional organization. By applying a rule in this matter you are creating a double standard that makes you loose credibility as an eSPORTS institution. Maybe we won't be the majority but you lost a lot of loyal fans, like me. Regards," "The truth however is that NaNiWa has received the right to compete in the Blizzard Cup for his 2nd place achievement at MLG Providence." Bullshit. i like how you change the rules afterwards to fit your purpose. GG WP  I'm sorry but this is a blantant lie. According to the mlg exchange program agreement: "At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows: Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, within the Top 3, regardless of country of origin, who does not already have Code S status." You don't have any grounds according to your terms of the agreement to make alterations from Code S to BLIZZARD CUP. Two completely different tournaments. http://www.gomtv.net/forum/view.gom?topicid=212470&cid=0&kind=8 i think theese fans and customers are right. | ||
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kcbgoku
Poland156 Posts
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Govou
Canada1072 Posts
On December 15 2011 17:54 The Void wrote: The reactions on the GOM Forums mostly point out the an issue that is not really adressed by GOM. http://www.gomtv.net/forum/view.gom?topicid=212470&cid=0&kind=8 i think theese fans and customers are right. please refer to bottom of page 81 | ||
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naidem
Portugal26 Posts
On December 15 2011 17:30 kcbgoku wrote: To everyone who says he's offended by Nani because you paid for ticket and didn't see high quality game. You pay to GOM so you expect quality service from them. It's their job to create high quality competition so you are satisfied. You pay for the best quality sc2 matches to GOM. They should motivate players enough to get them for you and that is not going to happend when games are meaningless. Simple as that. Don't feel offended by player in this situation. Would you expect the best quality games if GSL was series of showmatches with no prize and any bracket? NO. Because noone would play it and noone would watch it. There would be 0 motivation to give your best. this 100% what naniwa did was bad, but after losing those games and having to play a final meaningless one, i can somewhat understand his fustration and give him a discount. the format for the tournament was BAD.. and that was GOM mistake and not naniwas.. i also would like to know the details for choosing idra and sen.. cause i cant really understand it.. are they the best foreign players? | ||
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smashedpotato
Australia9 Posts
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Ponchey
Sweden89 Posts
On December 15 2011 17:59 naidem wrote: i also would like to know the details for choosing idra and sen.. cause i cant really understand it.. are they the best foreign players? They probably wanted to invite Stephano, except he didn't want to stay in Korea. And that is a big aspect actually; with the two month GSL seasons of 2012, invites will pretty much be limited to foreigners who could consider moving to or already living in Korea. And I think someone moving to Korea just for the duration of GSL will always perform worse than someone who has been living there for an extended period. | ||
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