EPT"Not only progamers, but professional athletes in every sports prove and showcase their skill through the game and by doing so entertain their fans."
Really? When LeBron James quit in game 4 of the finals, he didn't get disqualified...
GOMTV Announcement regarding NaNiWa - Page 81
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
"Not only progamers, but professional athletes in every sports prove and showcase their skill through the game and by doing so entertain their fans." Really? When LeBron James quit in game 4 of the finals, he didn't get disqualified... | ||
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iky43210
United States2099 Posts
MLG also didn't send 4 koreans to providence. | ||
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J.E.G.
United States389 Posts
On December 15 2011 12:58 iamthedave wrote: But Naniwa is still getting paid. It's not like he was in the position where he gets no money unless he gets out of his group. Or are we now saying it's acceptable for players to do the bare minimum they need to in order to get paid and can phone in literally everything that doesn't directly result in money? And how does that make the golfing analogy bad? Surely if the guy was playing for money him choosing to lose is punishment enough, right? He wiill earn less, those who choose to play will earn more. Why is it necessary to ban him? Their reason is identical to Gom's. That's not the sort of play they want to promote on their tour. Edit: Incorrect. Naniwa was asked by JP directly on Live on Three if he asked to forfeit the match and Naniwa said he never did. He never approached anybody from Gom at any point. I was saying Naniwa forfeited based off this tread: + Show Spoiler + On December 15 2011 06:39 tree.hugger wrote: What Happened?: In the second group of the  Blizzard Cup, NaNiwa and NesTea played in the ninth game, each having lost their first three matches. Therefore, both were eliminated from the tournament and could not advance. NaNiwa was unhappy about having to play a meaningless game after having lost all of his previous games, and apparently requested that he be allowed to forfeit the match. His request was denied, and was forced to play the match. Immediately upon loading the map, NaNiwa a-moved his first six probes to NesTea's base, and then removed his hand from the keyboard and watched as his probes all died to NesTea's drones, after which he gg'd and left the game. You can watch the VOD with a subscription here What was the initial drama yesterday? (Tuesday, December 13): Many starcraft fans had strong reactions to NaNiwa's actions. But the reaction was strongest and most negative among the Korean community. Below are listed a representative sample of reactions: Korea Progamers ThisIsGame (Korean Website) After the controversy broke, NaNiwa initially responded to the controversy in an interview with TeamLiquid. The controversy was also discussed on F%&# Slasher and State of the Game. What is the new drama today? (Wednesday, December 14): In response to the controversy, GOM decided to go back on their original plans to invite NaNiwa into Code S for GSL January. There is still some misunderstanding about whether NaNiwa was going to be invited on his own merits, or whether it was part of the league exchange program with MLG. This is what we believe the situation to be: Mr.Chae from GOM had this to say: (thanks to NHY for this). "We don't believe that winning games and getting prizes make you a pro-gamer. We think that pro-gaming as a vocation should be about gamers competing for the victory, for the audience so they would get excited, and in all that, players job is to compete for the victory through that. We gave the seed to Quantic Gaming's protoss pro-gamer NaNiwa, not the Swedish youth Johan Lucchesi who plays the game well." Because NaNiwa will now not be playing in Code S, the two foreign Code S invites for January have been announced to be Sen and IdrA. Reaction to this punishment was immediate and widespread. Listed below are a representative sample of opinions. Liquid`Jinro Liquid`Tyler DoA Many arguments have been made in the course of this controversy, regarding who was at fault and how the situation came about, what actions were justified, and so on. For a detailed rehash of the major arguments, please read this recap (Thanks ehMove) Latest developments: In response to the controversy, Quantic and NaNiwa released an apology. and GOM has released an official announcement clarifying their positions. Summary: Quantic and NaNiwa express their regret for what occurred, NaNi will stay in Korea but take GSL January off. GOM addresses that they did not deny NaNiwa a Code S spot that he had earned, but rather declined to consider him for the spot given his recent actions. Quantic and NaNiwa Apologize GOM Announcement regarding NaNiwa If this is incorrect, I apologize. | ||
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m0ck
4194 Posts
On December 15 2011 16:51 iky43210 wrote: MLG also didn't send 4 koreans to providence. Read the quotes | ||
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rogscorp
Korea (South)13 Posts
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xBillehx
United States1289 Posts
Kind of hard to say they weren't aware of not seeding MVP themselves no? I mean the format was obviously different so the stipulations for it would have to be changed either way, and if we're to say a change of format means it's okay to change stipulations then you'll have to be okay with GSL changing it's format/stipulations too. | ||
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Uracil
Germany422 Posts
On December 15 2011 16:51 iky43210 wrote: MLG also didn't send 4 koreans to providence. they did. http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/mc-mma-bomber-and-mvp-to-mlg-providence | ||
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rormc
Netherlands11 Posts
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kazie
258 Posts
On December 15 2011 17:03 rormc wrote: I don't agree on the conclusion that Naniwa's action was "disrespectful". As he didn't feel like giving his best he just gave the match up. It isn't some fake wrestling showmatch. Apperantly the Koreans are very fast insulted or something. Man up Korean dudes! don't be all QQ about it, Naniwa did not brake any rules and it seems the Koreans are making new rules up as they go along, and that is not fair! I am very dissapoint in GOM!! couldnt resist.. User was warned for this post | ||
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Govou
Canada1072 Posts
here I found a article from ThisisGame, written november 21st just after MLG providence http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ko&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?id=940944&board=0&category=13438&subcategory=&page=4&best=&searchmode=title&search=&orderby=&token= this is google translate version.. but it's pretty clearly written that Naniwa's code S seed was not guaranteed from Providence | ||
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rogscorp
Korea (South)13 Posts
On December 15 2011 17:03 rormc wrote: I don't agree on the conclusion that Naniwa's action was "disrespectful". As he didn't feel like giving his best he just gave the match up. It isn't some fake wrestling showmatch. Apperantly the Koreans are very fast insulted or something. Man up Korean dudes! don't be all QQ about it, Naniwa did not brake any rules and it seems the Koreans are making new rules up as they go along, and that is not fair! I am very dissapoint in GOM!! As MC said, let's assume it was MC(3-0) and Naniwa(0-3) in the same group. In the final match between them, MC doesn't feel like giving the best and just do probe rush. Isn't it disrespectful? Can progamers freely throw a game away whenever they don't feel like giving their best then? | ||
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SilverLeagueElite
United States626 Posts
On December 15 2011 16:56 Uracil wrote: they did. http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/mc-mma-bomber-and-mvp-to-mlg-providence They all got spots from earning points through the regular season?  | ||
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rogscorp
Korea (South)13 Posts
On December 15 2011 17:04 Govou wrote: http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?id=940944&board=0&category=13438&subcategory=&page=4&best=&searchmode=title&search=&orderby=&token= here I found a article from ThisisGame, written november 21st just after MLG providence http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ko&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?id=940944&board=0&category=13438&subcategory=&page=4&best=&searchmode=title&search=&orderby=&token= this is google translate version.. but it's pretty clearly written that Naniwa's code S seed was not guaranteed from Providence True. The title of article is "Would Naniwa get Code S?" and the answer is "Not decided" | ||
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Skyreaper
70 Posts
On December 15 2011 17:04 Govou wrote: http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?id=940944&board=0&category=13438&subcategory=&page=4&best=&searchmode=title&search=&orderby=&token= here I found a article from ThisisGame, written november 21st just after MLG providence http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ko&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?id=940944&board=0&category=13438&subcategory=&page=4&best=&searchmode=title&search=&orderby=&token= this is google translate version.. but it's pretty clearly written that Naniwa's code S seed was not guaranteed from Providence Nice job. | ||
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m0ck
4194 Posts
On December 15 2011 16:49 rogscorp wrote: I'm from Korea and it's the first time I write in TL even though I visit here almost everyday. It hurts to see people being divided like it's the end of E-Sport or something. I think calming down a bit is always good when you discuss something. From my knowledge, most of Korean fans knew that Providence does not guarantee Code S spot. And I definitely remember that there was discussion about Providence Code S issue in TL before somewhere in LR thread I guess. So it was NOT a settled matter. But it's also true Naniwa was the first contender for the spot. Koreans thought like that too. So why did GOM tell you about this explicitly? I thought they did in GSL tour 2012 plan. Code S have two sponsor tickets. It's not a MLG ticket or something as it used to be. So it's not like it came out of blue. You already knew GSL 2012 plan. I think the reason GOM didn't tell that Naniwa wouldn't get Code S before is it might well be Naniwa through sponsorship ticket as they stated here. Hope it will settle well. Thanks for the Korean perspective. You might be right, that GOM never intended for there to a code S seed at providence at all. That leaves a pretty messy up situation, though, where the two organizations have failed in a major way in their communication, but where ultimately the players pay the prize. The spot they thought was available really isn't. Remember, MLG thought there was a direct seed to code S until they read otherwise when GOM made their statement yesterday. Maybe GOM thought that it wasn't worth correcting, since the qualified player would still receive his spot through the invite program. That is, until the drama started. That was probably not the smartest decision. I must also note, that I have not heard of the sponsor-invite spots until GOM explained their system yesterday. I would also say, that if it turns out that your description of the situation is correct, I expect of the two organizations to apologize both to the players in general, and naniwa in particular, because in that case they were competing in for something in Providence that weren't actually there. And that is a pretty big deal, in my opinion. | ||
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bobohobo
Canada69 Posts
On December 15 2011 16:56 Uracil wrote: they did. http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/mc-mma-bomber-and-mvp-to-mlg-providence They were supposed to go anyway based on points (top 16 gets to go). MVP also didn't get seeded into championship bracket like he was supposed to be if MLG held up their end of the bargain. | ||
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figq
12519 Posts
On December 15 2011 16:49 rogscorp wrote: Liquipedia (in article about Providence, not GSL!) says: I'm from Korea and it's the first time I write in TL even though I visit here almost everyday. It hurts to see people being divided like it's the end of E-Sport or something. I think calming down a bit is always good when you discuss something. From my knowledge, most of Korean fans knew that Providence does not guarantee Code S spot. And I definitely remember that there was discussion about Providence Code S issue in TL before somewhere in LR thread I guess. So it was NOT a settled matter. But it's also true Naniwa was the first contender for the spot. Koreans thought like that too. So why did GOM tell you about this explicitly? I thought they did in GSL tour 2012 plan. Code S have two sponsor tickets. It's not a MLG ticket or something as it used to be. So it's not like it came out of blue. You already knew GSL 2012 plan. I think the reason GOM didn't tell that Naniwa wouldn't get Code S before is it might well be Naniwa through sponsorship ticket as they stated here. Hope it will settle well. "NaNiwa will be awarded a GSL Code S spot as part of the GSL-MLG Exchange Program" based on MLG articles: http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/naniwas-ascension http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/top-5-stories-from-mlg-providence/ that say: "let a National Championship slip through his fingers and earned a seat in Code S. " "hard not to be excited about Naniwa's 2012 prospects in Code S" So, at the very least, it was assumed immediately after Providence that Naniwa gets Code S, whether by automatic rule, or by invitation. But an invitation should require some delay, if it was not based on applying automatic rule. | ||
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m0ck
4194 Posts
On December 15 2011 17:04 Govou wrote: http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?id=940944&board=0&category=13438&subcategory=&page=4&best=&searchmode=title&search=&orderby=&token= here I found a article from ThisisGame, written november 21st just after MLG providence http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ko&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?id=940944&board=0&category=13438&subcategory=&page=4&best=&searchmode=title&search=&orderby=&token= this is google translate version.. but it's pretty clearly written that Naniwa's code S seed was not guaranteed from Providence Interesting, it seems to support the view that GOM never intended for there to be a spot for Providence (although google-translate is hard to really trust). It does however leave the pretty ugly situation of players playing at Providence for a prize that wasn't there. | ||
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kazie
258 Posts
On December 15 2011 16:50 GreEny K wrote: I think this is ridiculous... "Not only progamers, but professional athletes in every sports prove and showcase their skill through the game and by doing so entertain their fans." Really? When LeBron James quit in game 4 of the finals, he didn't get disqualified... naniwa didnt get disqualified either... | ||
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rogscorp
Korea (South)13 Posts
On December 15 2011 17:14 m0ck wrote: Interesting, it seems to support the view that GOM never intended for there to be a spot for Providence (although google-translate is hard to really trust). It does however leave the pretty ugly situation of players playing at Providence for a prize that wasn't there. I agree that it wasn't clear enough about Code S spot. But I think the prize for Providence was two spots for Blizzard Cup. | ||
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