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On December 15 2011 17:11 bobohobo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 16:56 Uracil wrote:On December 15 2011 16:51 iky43210 wrote:On December 15 2011 16:49 m0ck wrote:On December 15 2011 16:42 xBillehx wrote:On December 15 2011 16:35 m0ck wrote:On December 15 2011 16:31 xBillehx wrote:
Why do people who bring up the league exchange thing always quote one side and completely ignore that the MLG side wasn't exactly fulfilled itself? MVP had to fight his way through the open bracket guys, this actually happened. Didn't the league exchange rules say Koreans would be seeded? But if we are to believe that was has happened is that GOM didn't accept MLGs upholding of their end of the bargain, to seed four players in to the group-stage (well, there were none), how come they didn't contact MLG or anyone else involved to inform them, that Naniwa was in fact not qualified for a code S spot? To me that a major hole in that theory. I don't know if they didn't accept MLG's upholding of the exchange program, but a lot of things that were supposed to happen didn't, so it leads me to believe that the MLG-GSL exchange program was either not fully in effect (i.e with some changes, no korean seeds in MLG and winner/runner up being invited to Blizzard Cup instead) or didn't apply to the event at all. Well, MLG certainly wasn't aware. MLG also didn't send 4 koreans to providence. they did. http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/mc-mma-bomber-and-mvp-to-mlg-providence They were supposed to go anyway based on points (top 16 gets to go). MVP also didn't get seeded into championship bracket like he was supposed to be if MLG held up their end of the bargain.
My point is, why should MLG pay for 4 koreans to come and get nothing in return.
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even though it was not guaranteed, I would assume, Naniwa was the first choice for GOM.
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And nowhere do you ever mention YOUR mistake in this? Having a format that forces players to play out meaningless matches will never result in top perfomances. Was it correct from Naniwa to do what he did? No. Understandable? I think so. Is it really any different than going for 4 gate or something else half heartedly? Maybe in all your "effort" to improve you should be critical of yourselfs as well.
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Hmm... so it appears that at least in Korea there were some that knew that Naniwa wasn't guaranteed a seed, but all the information coming from MLG speaks of it as if it was a done deal. There still has to be some explaining why this wasn't common knowledge, and why the opposite was viewed as common knowledge without it being contested whatsoever.
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On December 15 2011 17:18 Uracil wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 17:11 bobohobo wrote:On December 15 2011 16:56 Uracil wrote:On December 15 2011 16:51 iky43210 wrote:On December 15 2011 16:49 m0ck wrote:On December 15 2011 16:42 xBillehx wrote:On December 15 2011 16:35 m0ck wrote:On December 15 2011 16:31 xBillehx wrote:
Why do people who bring up the league exchange thing always quote one side and completely ignore that the MLG side wasn't exactly fulfilled itself? MVP had to fight his way through the open bracket guys, this actually happened. Didn't the league exchange rules say Koreans would be seeded? But if we are to believe that was has happened is that GOM didn't accept MLGs upholding of their end of the bargain, to seed four players in to the group-stage (well, there were none), how come they didn't contact MLG or anyone else involved to inform them, that Naniwa was in fact not qualified for a code S spot? To me that a major hole in that theory. I don't know if they didn't accept MLG's upholding of the exchange program, but a lot of things that were supposed to happen didn't, so it leads me to believe that the MLG-GSL exchange program was either not fully in effect (i.e with some changes, no korean seeds in MLG and winner/runner up being invited to Blizzard Cup instead) or didn't apply to the event at all. Well, MLG certainly wasn't aware. MLG also didn't send 4 koreans to providence. they did. http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/mc-mma-bomber-and-mvp-to-mlg-providence They were supposed to go anyway based on points (top 16 gets to go). MVP also didn't get seeded into championship bracket like he was supposed to be if MLG held up their end of the bargain. My point is, why should MLG pay for 4 koreans to come and get nothing in return.
They get 4 Koreans to come, which we the fans want. Which provides better atmosphere, hype and overall, better tournament.
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On December 15 2011 17:17 rogscorp wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 17:14 m0ck wrote:Interesting, it seems to support the view that GOM never intended for there to be a spot for Providence (although google-translate is hard to really trust). It does however leave the pretty ugly situation of players playing at Providence for a prize that wasn't there. I agree that it wasn't clear enough about Code S spot. But I think the prize for Providence was two spots for Blizzard Cup.
Well, I really hope this is the case, as it would mean my suspicions have been baseless and that GOM has not acted dishonestly in their presentation of the case. We're better off that way. Hopefully the situation will be cleared up today, after MLG and GOM talks it over, and they can explain what went wrong.
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On December 15 2011 17:21 Luhrg wrote:
And nowhere do you ever mention YOUR mistake in this? Having a format that forces players to play out meaningless matches will never result in top perfomances. Was it correct from Naniwa to do what he did? No. Understandable? I think so. Is it really any different than going for 4 gate or something else half heartedly? Maybe in all your "effort" to improve you should be critical of yourselfs as well.
How about you read the OP?
We promise that we will work hard to provide tournament formats that will lead players to do their best in every match and to create a GSL that will allow fans to enjoy and experience the competition as something that has more to it than just professionals trying to make a living.
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Mr. Chae is trying to save himself from the foreign community with this post. He was incredibly disrespectful for calling Naniwa a money hunter (or whatever it was) without actually knowing how ****ing hard Naniwa works at this game. I thought Naniwa got taken out from that rule they had, now it's not even that, what's going on? They're continuously changing their answers.
I also have a problem with them making it sound like getting into Code S is incredibly easy "he just has to qualify again", he's been trying for a while now and the one time he gets in, they take the spot away from him.
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Terrible and arrogant decision by Gom. If a player chooses to deliberately play a match in a way that guarantees a loss, that's his decision to make - not Gom's. It is Gom's fault that a player is put in a position where such a decision can be made without adversely affecting that player's standing/rank within the tournament.
If there was a reason for Naniwa to -try- to win, he would have. As mentioned in the original article, Naniwa did not break any rules. If no rules are broken, no punishment should be exacted upon him.
Reverse your decision, and implement changes to your tournament structure that prevents players from being in a "nothing to lose" situation in the future.
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We, the people from the west, are used to living in freedom. I guess in Korea is an other culture where you have to obey and work hard for the people above you. Yes, it is a clash of cultures.
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To everyone who says he's offended by Nani because you paid for ticket and didn't see high quality game. You pay to GOM so you expect quality service from them. It's their job to create high quality competition so you are satisfied. You pay for the best quality sc2 matches to GOM. They should motivate players enough to get them for you and that is not going to happend when games are meaningless.
Simple as that. Don't feel offended by player in this situation.
Would you expect the best quality games if GSL was series of showmatches with no prize and any bracket? NO. Because noone would play it and noone would watch it. There would be 0 motivation to give your best.
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I appreciate the statement, but still everyone was thinking (even MLG) that he earned a Code S Spot at Providence. And also why dont u revoke the seeds of every Terran who 2Raxed or 1/1/1 into Code S aswell? I think these games were also disrespectful. Make clearer rules or stand to your word but NEVER change the rules as u want and like. Srsly get ur stuff together and until then i wont watch and/or support any of GOMs Products/Leagues.
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On December 15 2011 17:29 hahaimhenry wrote:
Mr. Chae is trying to save himself from the foreign community with this post. He was incredibly disrespectful for calling Naniwa a money hunter (or whatever it was) without actually knowing how ****ing hard Naniwa works at this game. I thought Naniwa got taken out from that rule they had, now it's not even that, what's going on? They're continuously changing their answers.
I also have a problem with them making it sound like getting into Code S is incredibly easy "he just has to qualify again", he's been trying for a while now and the one time he gets in, they take the spot away from him.
He never called him that, that was a mistranslation by someone on the forums.
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On December 15 2011 17:29 hahaimhenry wrote:
Mr. Chae is trying to save himself from the foreign community with this post. He was incredibly disrespectful for calling Naniwa a money hunter (or whatever it was) without actually knowing how ****ing hard Naniwa works at this game. I thought Naniwa got taken out from that rule they had, now it's not even that, what's going on? They're continuously changing their answers.
I also have a problem with them making it sound like getting into Code S is incredibly easy "he just has to qualify again", he's been trying for a while now and the one time he gets in, they take the spot away from him.
you don't even read a thread do you? Mr.Chae never said those words. Someone from TL already apologized for misinforming about what Chae said based on what his friend told him.
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A lot of major sporting events around the world use the same 'Bo1 group stage -> tournament' format
I doubt the format is the problem. Players not willing to fulfill his due maybe.
god seriously, GOM should hire me as a community monitoring personnel or something. :p
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On December 15 2011 17:30 lFrost wrote:
Terrible and arrogant decision by Gom. If a player chooses to deliberately play a match in a way that guarantees a loss, that's his decision to make - not Gom's.
Do you think it's ok for pro-gamers to deliberately lose if they want?
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On December 15 2011 17:36 rogscorp wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 17:30 lFrost wrote:
Terrible and arrogant decision by Gom. If a player chooses to deliberately play a match in a way that guarantees a loss, that's his decision to make - not Gom's. Do you think it's ok for pro-gamers to deliberately lose if they want?
I think if they hide it well, it's ok.
It's like skipping work due to being sick. If you are a good lier, you will get a pass.
if you go like 'I'm getting off work because this work is just fucking stupid', you will likely be fired on the spot
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On December 15 2011 17:37 kcbgoku wrote:
Govou o_O
Name me one.
Esports.
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EPT
