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On December 15 2011 13:51 Biane wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 13:49 Kryptic.610 wrote:On December 15 2011 10:50 OhYess wrote:On December 15 2011 06:43 Gin-san wrote:
That's actually a pretty lame response, just like i expected it. They think they're 100% correct and only blame NaNiwa. Hopefully Blizzard won't give the next SC2 contract to you but to KeSPA. If it was KeSPA who Naniwa did this too, his punishment would be MUCH more severe. KeSPA takes e-sports extremely seriously, and punish ruthlessly. Which I do like in a way. Wrong, Naniwa wouldn't have a chance to do this to KeSPA because they would actually have a proper ruleset and tournament structure. Having a bunch of rules doesn't mean a player won't decide to break them on a temporary whim/emotion outbreak. And knowing Naniwa's history of doing things, he has a higher chances than most people in doing so.
Yes, he does, but he specifically said that he didn't think about it beforehand and didn't realize at the time how it would upset people. If there had been a clear rule, he would have had to decide to break it, and then there'd be a clear reason to punish him -- he broke a rule. That makes everything much simpler and would avoid a lot of the drama here.
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On December 15 2011 13:52 Shortynut wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 13:38 teamsolid wrote:On December 15 2011 13:33 Shortynut wrote:On December 15 2011 13:08 diophan wrote:On December 15 2011 13:03 Shortynut wrote:On December 15 2011 12:44 teamsolid wrote:On December 15 2011 12:30 Golgotha wrote:On December 15 2011 12:23 bobohobo wrote:
GOM never released a statement saying that Naniwa got code S, it was always MLG that said it. People should stop crapping on GOM for what MLG said. We need to wait for MLG's official position on this matter to get the whole picture. It is entirely possible that there was miscommunication between GOM and MLG.
Second, GOM released their new GSL format back in OCTOBER which clearly indicates two international seed invites. Nowhere does it mention the exchange program with MLG. In any case, I'm leaning towards GOM and MLG not communication this well enough to the community rather than GOM lying about it. lol you helpless fools. if Naniwa never really had Code S status, then why did GOM stealth change some of their previous announcements just hours ago? Huh? huh? Yeah I thought so. Was there any proof of this ever happening? Huh? huh? Cuz I haven't seen any yet. Screenshots would be nice. Proof is hard to come by unless there's a copied & pasted version on another site BEFORE the changes, but yet i actually read the first article and it mentioned the comments about "money hunter" and "unprofessional". They were retracted several hours afterwards when the extreme amount of backlash became too overwhelming. If GOM had admittedly changed their statement and shown themselves to back down, they would've been backed into a corner and forced to change their decision. There is also the fact that on the Live stream during the Ro.6 on Wednesday (i will try to be as accurate as possible) Tastosis (Tasteless specifically) announced that "GSL have decided that Naniwa's Code S seed has been revoked for the start of GSL 2012 and he will no longer be allowed to compete in February". That isn't word for word because I honestly didn't expect such a massive shitstorm from a divided community and therefore did not even try to remember it, but you MIGHT be able to find it on some tube sight or even in the VODS from Wednesday night. I think their statement will validate GOM's initial response. No, they weren't retracted, it was mistranslated. The translator himself apologized. They were retracted AFTER the misinterpretation was realised DUE to the foreign community's rage at those remarks. If nobody had actually cared they probably wouldn't have gone as far as to correct it and formally apologise, but people were cut. Okay, now I know you're just making shit up to cause drama. GOM never translated anything, it was just another random guy from TL who made the mistranslation and apologized for it below: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=294943 ok clearly you are too ignorant to understand my point. I am not talking about any article currently or previously on TL.net. I am referring to the statement released by GOM after the incident BEFORE the 'Announcement regarding NaNiwa" thread which is currently up. If you didn't read it, be quiet about what was said in it! because you honestly don't know what you are talking about.
Since I've started reading all the threads, you are the only one who claimed to have seen this announcement. I'm leaning towards you don't know what you are talking about. But I'm willing to change my mind if someone has proof.
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On December 15 2011 13:52 Shortynut wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 13:38 teamsolid wrote:On December 15 2011 13:33 Shortynut wrote:On December 15 2011 13:08 diophan wrote:On December 15 2011 13:03 Shortynut wrote:On December 15 2011 12:44 teamsolid wrote:On December 15 2011 12:30 Golgotha wrote:On December 15 2011 12:23 bobohobo wrote:
GOM never released a statement saying that Naniwa got code S, it was always MLG that said it. People should stop crapping on GOM for what MLG said. We need to wait for MLG's official position on this matter to get the whole picture. It is entirely possible that there was miscommunication between GOM and MLG.
Second, GOM released their new GSL format back in OCTOBER which clearly indicates two international seed invites. Nowhere does it mention the exchange program with MLG. In any case, I'm leaning towards GOM and MLG not communication this well enough to the community rather than GOM lying about it. lol you helpless fools. if Naniwa never really had Code S status, then why did GOM stealth change some of their previous announcements just hours ago? Huh? huh? Yeah I thought so. Was there any proof of this ever happening? Huh? huh? Cuz I haven't seen any yet. Screenshots would be nice. Proof is hard to come by unless there's a copied & pasted version on another site BEFORE the changes, but yet i actually read the first article and it mentioned the comments about "money hunter" and "unprofessional". They were retracted several hours afterwards when the extreme amount of backlash became too overwhelming. If GOM had admittedly changed their statement and shown themselves to back down, they would've been backed into a corner and forced to change their decision. There is also the fact that on the Live stream during the Ro.6 on Wednesday (i will try to be as accurate as possible) Tastosis (Tasteless specifically) announced that "GSL have decided that Naniwa's Code S seed has been revoked for the start of GSL 2012 and he will no longer be allowed to compete in February". That isn't word for word because I honestly didn't expect such a massive shitstorm from a divided community and therefore did not even try to remember it, but you MIGHT be able to find it on some tube sight or even in the VODS from Wednesday night. I think their statement will validate GOM's initial response. No, they weren't retracted, it was mistranslated. The translator himself apologized. They were retracted AFTER the misinterpretation was realised DUE to the foreign community's rage at those remarks. If nobody had actually cared they probably wouldn't have gone as far as to correct it and formally apologise, but people were cut. Okay, now I know you're just making shit up to cause drama. GOM never translated anything, it was just another random guy from TL who made the mistranslation and apologized for it below: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=294943 ok clearly you are too ignorant to understand my point. I am not talking about any article currently or previously on TL.net. I am referring to the statement released by GOM after the incident BEFORE the 'Announcement regarding NaNiwa" thread which is currently up. If you didn't read it, be quiet about what was said in it! because you honestly don't know what you are talking about.
Okay, then clearly you're the only person on this planet that seems to know about this "secret" article that was posted on GOM. In that case, are you going to release this mysterious "statement" so we can all be as "informed" as you? Or are you just full of shit still.
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Just popping in to say GOM has lost a paying customer, what an incredibly bad way to react to a relatively minor incident.
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On December 15 2011 13:53 Elfian wrote:
In hockey you can still sit and do nothing to preserve energy instead of wasting it in a meaningless game. No?
Hockey games can't end in 5 minutes when one team destroys all the other's goalposts.
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On December 15 2011 13:55 teamsolid wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 13:52 Shortynut wrote:On December 15 2011 13:38 teamsolid wrote:On December 15 2011 13:33 Shortynut wrote:On December 15 2011 13:08 diophan wrote:On December 15 2011 13:03 Shortynut wrote:On December 15 2011 12:44 teamsolid wrote:On December 15 2011 12:30 Golgotha wrote:On December 15 2011 12:23 bobohobo wrote:
GOM never released a statement saying that Naniwa got code S, it was always MLG that said it. People should stop crapping on GOM for what MLG said. We need to wait for MLG's official position on this matter to get the whole picture. It is entirely possible that there was miscommunication between GOM and MLG.
Second, GOM released their new GSL format back in OCTOBER which clearly indicates two international seed invites. Nowhere does it mention the exchange program with MLG. In any case, I'm leaning towards GOM and MLG not communication this well enough to the community rather than GOM lying about it. lol you helpless fools. if Naniwa never really had Code S status, then why did GOM stealth change some of their previous announcements just hours ago? Huh? huh? Yeah I thought so. Was there any proof of this ever happening? Huh? huh? Cuz I haven't seen any yet. Screenshots would be nice. Proof is hard to come by unless there's a copied & pasted version on another site BEFORE the changes, but yet i actually read the first article and it mentioned the comments about "money hunter" and "unprofessional". They were retracted several hours afterwards when the extreme amount of backlash became too overwhelming. If GOM had admittedly changed their statement and shown themselves to back down, they would've been backed into a corner and forced to change their decision. There is also the fact that on the Live stream during the Ro.6 on Wednesday (i will try to be as accurate as possible) Tastosis (Tasteless specifically) announced that "GSL have decided that Naniwa's Code S seed has been revoked for the start of GSL 2012 and he will no longer be allowed to compete in February". That isn't word for word because I honestly didn't expect such a massive shitstorm from a divided community and therefore did not even try to remember it, but you MIGHT be able to find it on some tube sight or even in the VODS from Wednesday night. I think their statement will validate GOM's initial response. No, they weren't retracted, it was mistranslated. The translator himself apologized. They were retracted AFTER the misinterpretation was realised DUE to the foreign community's rage at those remarks. If nobody had actually cared they probably wouldn't have gone as far as to correct it and formally apologise, but people were cut. Okay, now I know you're just making shit up to cause drama. GOM never translated anything, it was just another random guy from TL who made the mistranslation and apologized for it below: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=294943 ok clearly you are too ignorant to understand my point. I am not talking about any article currently or previously on TL.net. I am referring to the statement released by GOM after the incident BEFORE the 'Announcement regarding NaNiwa" thread which is currently up. If you didn't read it, be quiet about what was said in it! because you honestly don't know what you are talking about. Okay, then clearly you're the only person on this planet that seems to know about this "secret" article that was posted on GOM. In that case, are you going to release this mysterious "statement" so we can all be as "informed" as you? Or are you just full of shit still.
I think what happened is GOM sent a statement to Shortynut because he is special. of course no one saw it! how convenient.
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RIGHT TIME FOR SOME RECAP ON ALREADY ESTABLISHED THINGS.
On December 15 2011 07:28 zeru wrote:So... Summary of code S spot: MLG invited and paid for 4 korean players to providence. http://pro.majorleaguegaming.com/news/mc-mma-bomber-and-mvp-to-mlg-providenceNaniwa officially won the code S spot by coming second according to all news posts and announcements and was never denied until...yesterday? + Show Spoiler +From MLG own site news: http://pro.majorleaguegaming.com/news/naniwas-ascension Ultimately he dropped the following four games, and despite not being crowned champion, Naniwa has presented one of the most captivating weeks imaginable, both in and out of the game. In the last week, Naniwa has rage quit of of a GSL match, flown half-way around the world, defeated the two most successful Korean Starcraft 2 players back-to-back, sparked a rivalry with Nestea, been the center of controversy in a rematch against Nestea, let a National Championship slip through his fingers and earned a seat in Code S. http://pro.majorleaguegaming.com/news/going-out-with-a-bang-mlg-providence-starcraft-2-recap Over the last few months, Naniwa has been training hard over in Korea to take his game to the next level, and his hard work appeared to pay off in Providence. The 2nd Place finish was good enough to earn him a Code S spot, so keep an eye on this MLG Champion as he goes toe-to-toe with the world's best during the offseason. http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/top-5-stories-from-mlg-providence Naniwa, however, stayed focused on his goal. Amidst swirls of tabloid drama and misguided quotes, Naniwa kept his concentration on the task at hand. When his turn to enter the bracket finally rolled around, the Swedish Protoss defeated Nestea for the second time that weekend, and followed the feat with wins over Huk and DongRaeGu. In the end Naniwa failed to seal the deal as he lost four straight games against Leenock in the Grand Finals, but appeared to be a man with a renewed determination and a refined playstyle. With the pedigree Naniwa displayed over the weekend, it's hard not to be excited about Naniwa's 2012 prospects in Code S and at Major League Gaming Events. http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/mlg-and-the-gsl-create-groundbreaking-player-exchange-program Pro Circuit Players Competing in the GSL At MLG Columbus, the Top 3 non-Korean finishers will each be placed into GSL Code A. At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows: Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, within the Top 3, regardless of country of origin, who does not already have Code S status. Code S status will not be awarded if all of the players placing 1st-3rd already have Code S Status. Code A status will be awarded to the next three highest placing non-Korean players. If Code S status is awarded to a Korean player, or not awarded at all, Code A status also will be awarded to the 4th highest placing non-Korean player. From Complexity, his team at the time: http://www.complexitygaming.com/news/3270/ Be sure to watch the GSL's Code S tournament as Naniwa secured himself a spot thanks to the MLG/GSL exchange program. http://esfiworld.com/sc2/news/naniwa-secures-top-3-finish-victory-over-huk Naniwa was able to secure a huge victory and guarantee at least a Top 3 finish in Providence. That placement will gives him a chance to secure Code S and continues the run of world class players that Naniwa has defeated over the course of the championship weekend in Providence. Edit: http://myeg.net/team/surprises-and-sadness-mlg-providence-day-3/ NaNiwa has finally reestablished himself firmly as one of the world’s top Protoss – and earned himself a Code S spot to boot. http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/nc8g6/naniwa_loses_code_s_spot/c37zdqgGOM now claims providence never actually was for a code S spot, basically breaking the agreement they had with MLG and try to cover it up with lies. also note that GOM NEVER makes announcements for the MLG code S winner. Man up and be honest GOM. This has to stop.
disclaimer: I am not advocating naniwa to regain his code S spot, however it's evident that there is a clear misunderstanding between GOM and MLG. Right now I'm inclined to trust GOM less but there are some clarification we want.
Also if the thing was so clear and cut MLG LEE would not be even be investigating the issue. They would merely say, yes there was no code S spot. However it's clear from their articles that it is not so and thus the confusion.
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On December 15 2011 13:54 dormer wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 13:51 Biane wrote:On December 15 2011 13:49 Kryptic.610 wrote:On December 15 2011 10:50 OhYess wrote:On December 15 2011 06:43 Gin-san wrote:
That's actually a pretty lame response, just like i expected it. They think they're 100% correct and only blame NaNiwa. Hopefully Blizzard won't give the next SC2 contract to you but to KeSPA. If it was KeSPA who Naniwa did this too, his punishment would be MUCH more severe. KeSPA takes e-sports extremely seriously, and punish ruthlessly. Which I do like in a way. Wrong, Naniwa wouldn't have a chance to do this to KeSPA because they would actually have a proper ruleset and tournament structure. Having a bunch of rules doesn't mean a player won't decide to break them on a temporary whim/emotion outbreak. And knowing Naniwa's history of doing things, he has a higher chances than most people in doing so. Yes, he does, but he specifically said that he didn't think about it beforehand and didn't realize at the time how it would upset people. If there had been a clear rule, he would have had to decide to break it, and then there'd be a clear reason to punish him -- he broke a rule. That makes everything much simpler and would avoid a lot of the drama here.
you can't write a rule for everything.. nor can you prepare a rule for everything
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On December 15 2011 13:55 teamsolid wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 13:52 Shortynut wrote:On December 15 2011 13:38 teamsolid wrote:On December 15 2011 13:33 Shortynut wrote:On December 15 2011 13:08 diophan wrote:On December 15 2011 13:03 Shortynut wrote:On December 15 2011 12:44 teamsolid wrote:On December 15 2011 12:30 Golgotha wrote:On December 15 2011 12:23 bobohobo wrote:
GOM never released a statement saying that Naniwa got code S, it was always MLG that said it. People should stop crapping on GOM for what MLG said. We need to wait for MLG's official position on this matter to get the whole picture. It is entirely possible that there was miscommunication between GOM and MLG.
Second, GOM released their new GSL format back in OCTOBER which clearly indicates two international seed invites. Nowhere does it mention the exchange program with MLG. In any case, I'm leaning towards GOM and MLG not communication this well enough to the community rather than GOM lying about it. lol you helpless fools. if Naniwa never really had Code S status, then why did GOM stealth change some of their previous announcements just hours ago? Huh? huh? Yeah I thought so. Was there any proof of this ever happening? Huh? huh? Cuz I haven't seen any yet. Screenshots would be nice. Proof is hard to come by unless there's a copied & pasted version on another site BEFORE the changes, but yet i actually read the first article and it mentioned the comments about "money hunter" and "unprofessional". They were retracted several hours afterwards when the extreme amount of backlash became too overwhelming. If GOM had admittedly changed their statement and shown themselves to back down, they would've been backed into a corner and forced to change their decision. There is also the fact that on the Live stream during the Ro.6 on Wednesday (i will try to be as accurate as possible) Tastosis (Tasteless specifically) announced that "GSL have decided that Naniwa's Code S seed has been revoked for the start of GSL 2012 and he will no longer be allowed to compete in February". That isn't word for word because I honestly didn't expect such a massive shitstorm from a divided community and therefore did not even try to remember it, but you MIGHT be able to find it on some tube sight or even in the VODS from Wednesday night. I think their statement will validate GOM's initial response. No, they weren't retracted, it was mistranslated. The translator himself apologized. They were retracted AFTER the misinterpretation was realised DUE to the foreign community's rage at those remarks. If nobody had actually cared they probably wouldn't have gone as far as to correct it and formally apologise, but people were cut. Okay, now I know you're just making shit up to cause drama. GOM never translated anything, it was just another random guy from TL who made the mistranslation and apologized for it below: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=294943 ok clearly you are too ignorant to understand my point. I am not talking about any article currently or previously on TL.net. I am referring to the statement released by GOM after the incident BEFORE the 'Announcement regarding NaNiwa" thread which is currently up. If you didn't read it, be quiet about what was said in it! because you honestly don't know what you are talking about. Okay, then clearly you're the only person on this planet that seems to know about this "secret" article that was posted on GOM. In that case, are you going to release this mysterious "statement" so we can all be as "informed" as you? Or are you just full of shit still.
Clearly everybody came running straight to TL.net to get the news and see if anyone had started hate threads. I can understand why the moderators are being stricter than usual so i won't go any further on it, ill have to sit alone on this one.
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On December 15 2011 13:54 dormer wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 13:51 Biane wrote:On December 15 2011 13:49 Kryptic.610 wrote:On December 15 2011 10:50 OhYess wrote:On December 15 2011 06:43 Gin-san wrote:
That's actually a pretty lame response, just like i expected it. They think they're 100% correct and only blame NaNiwa. Hopefully Blizzard won't give the next SC2 contract to you but to KeSPA. If it was KeSPA who Naniwa did this too, his punishment would be MUCH more severe. KeSPA takes e-sports extremely seriously, and punish ruthlessly. Which I do like in a way. Wrong, Naniwa wouldn't have a chance to do this to KeSPA because they would actually have a proper ruleset and tournament structure. Having a bunch of rules doesn't mean a player won't decide to break them on a temporary whim/emotion outbreak. And knowing Naniwa's history of doing things, he has a higher chances than most people in doing so. Yes, he does, but he specifically said that he didn't think about it beforehand and didn't realize at the time how it would upset people. If there had been a clear rule, he would have had to decide to break it, and then there'd be a clear reason to punish him -- he broke a rule. That makes everything much simpler and would avoid a lot of the drama here.
I don't deny GOM could have done better to avoid this scenario. Of course what Naniwa did is still undeniably unacceptable but its hard to find the middle ground here when people are trying to argue fully in one way or the other.
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On December 15 2011 13:41 Tyrant0 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 13:31 iamthedave wrote:On December 15 2011 13:28 Tyrant0 wrote:On December 15 2011 13:07 Sawofhackness wrote:
Why are people still attacking this decision?
Naniwa has accepted it and apologised.
Basically the player who created this storm in a teacup has admitted he shouldn't have acted like that and has accepted the GOM/GSL decision.
Because it's one step closer to kespa and they're allowed to get away with it. If it wasn't Naniwa and someone else, which it easily could have been, GOM would have gotten much more shit. No they wouldn't. They're getting so much shit because Naniwa is the current foreign darling, and don't even attempt to pretend that he's not. A lot of the bitching is going on from people blatantly upset that their favourite player isn't going to be in Code S. If it had been... oh I don't know... Polt, hardly anyone would have cared because he's not very popular. You accuse people criticizing gom of bias when this statement in itself reeks of bias.
It's ridiculous to claim that if 'any other player' had this happen to them then Gom would be getting MORE shit. This is because Naniwa is popular. If this was done to an unpopular or just a player people had no care about, nobody would give a crap.
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On December 15 2011 14:00 iamthedave wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 13:41 Tyrant0 wrote:On December 15 2011 13:31 iamthedave wrote:On December 15 2011 13:28 Tyrant0 wrote:On December 15 2011 13:07 Sawofhackness wrote:
Why are people still attacking this decision?
Naniwa has accepted it and apologised.
Basically the player who created this storm in a teacup has admitted he shouldn't have acted like that and has accepted the GOM/GSL decision.
Because it's one step closer to kespa and they're allowed to get away with it. If it wasn't Naniwa and someone else, which it easily could have been, GOM would have gotten much more shit. No they wouldn't. They're getting so much shit because Naniwa is the current foreign darling, and don't even attempt to pretend that he's not. A lot of the bitching is going on from people blatantly upset that their favourite player isn't going to be in Code S. If it had been... oh I don't know... Polt, hardly anyone would have cared because he's not very popular. You accuse people criticizing gom of bias when this statement in itself reeks of bias. It's ridiculous to claim that if 'any other player' had this happen to them then Gom would be getting MORE shit. This is because Naniwa is popular. If this was done to an unpopular or just a player people had no care about, nobody would give a crap.
So in other words you're saying, this drama is here/so huge primarily not because GOM made a "shifty" decision (depending on your opinion) though of course this is still one of the arguing points, but because their favourite player is under fire (fan boyism whatever).
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On December 15 2011 14:00 iamthedave wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 13:41 Tyrant0 wrote:On December 15 2011 13:31 iamthedave wrote:On December 15 2011 13:28 Tyrant0 wrote:On December 15 2011 13:07 Sawofhackness wrote:
Why are people still attacking this decision?
Naniwa has accepted it and apologised.
Basically the player who created this storm in a teacup has admitted he shouldn't have acted like that and has accepted the GOM/GSL decision.
Because it's one step closer to kespa and they're allowed to get away with it. If it wasn't Naniwa and someone else, which it easily could have been, GOM would have gotten much more shit. No they wouldn't. They're getting so much shit because Naniwa is the current foreign darling, and don't even attempt to pretend that he's not. A lot of the bitching is going on from people blatantly upset that their favourite player isn't going to be in Code S. If it had been... oh I don't know... Polt, hardly anyone would have cared because he's not very popular. You accuse people criticizing gom of bias when this statement in itself reeks of bias. It's ridiculous to claim that if 'any other player' had this happen to them then Gom would be getting MORE shit. This is because Naniwa is popular. If this was done to an unpopular or just a player people had no care about, nobody would give a crap.
Naniwa is lucky that he's a foreigner. If a korean did that... the backlash he'd get from koreans .. poor guy
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On December 15 2011 13:59 Crisco wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 13:54 dormer wrote:On December 15 2011 13:51 Biane wrote:On December 15 2011 13:49 Kryptic.610 wrote:On December 15 2011 10:50 OhYess wrote:On December 15 2011 06:43 Gin-san wrote:
That's actually a pretty lame response, just like i expected it. They think they're 100% correct and only blame NaNiwa. Hopefully Blizzard won't give the next SC2 contract to you but to KeSPA. If it was KeSPA who Naniwa did this too, his punishment would be MUCH more severe. KeSPA takes e-sports extremely seriously, and punish ruthlessly. Which I do like in a way. Wrong, Naniwa wouldn't have a chance to do this to KeSPA because they would actually have a proper ruleset and tournament structure. Having a bunch of rules doesn't mean a player won't decide to break them on a temporary whim/emotion outbreak. And knowing Naniwa's history of doing things, he has a higher chances than most people in doing so. Yes, he does, but he specifically said that he didn't think about it beforehand and didn't realize at the time how it would upset people. If there had been a clear rule, he would have had to decide to break it, and then there'd be a clear reason to punish him -- he broke a rule. That makes everything much simpler and would avoid a lot of the drama here. you can't write a rule for everything.. nor can you prepare a rule for everything
That's true. But you can't expect players to follow a certain code of conduct if you don't communicate it to them (for example, with rules).
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On December 15 2011 14:00 iamthedave wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 13:41 Tyrant0 wrote:On December 15 2011 13:31 iamthedave wrote:On December 15 2011 13:28 Tyrant0 wrote:On December 15 2011 13:07 Sawofhackness wrote:
Why are people still attacking this decision?
Naniwa has accepted it and apologised.
Basically the player who created this storm in a teacup has admitted he shouldn't have acted like that and has accepted the GOM/GSL decision.
Because it's one step closer to kespa and they're allowed to get away with it. If it wasn't Naniwa and someone else, which it easily could have been, GOM would have gotten much more shit. No they wouldn't. They're getting so much shit because Naniwa is the current foreign darling, and don't even attempt to pretend that he's not. A lot of the bitching is going on from people blatantly upset that their favourite player isn't going to be in Code S. If it had been... oh I don't know... Polt, hardly anyone would have cared because he's not very popular. You accuse people criticizing gom of bias when this statement in itself reeks of bias. It's ridiculous to claim that if 'any other player' had this happen to them then Gom would be getting MORE shit. This is because Naniwa is popular. If this was done to an unpopular or just a player people had no care about, nobody would give a crap.
No one would give a crap because GOM wouldn't be able to do it without a backlash. Community is already divided over Naniwa. Imagine if it happened to someone less controversial.
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i dont even know why gomtv had to argue whether or not he was supposed to be given a Code S spot at all. They have the power and the justification to punish Naniwa by removing his Code S spot, for his actions.
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On December 15 2011 14:03 Biane wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 14:00 iamthedave wrote:On December 15 2011 13:41 Tyrant0 wrote:On December 15 2011 13:31 iamthedave wrote:On December 15 2011 13:28 Tyrant0 wrote:On December 15 2011 13:07 Sawofhackness wrote:
Why are people still attacking this decision?
Naniwa has accepted it and apologised.
Basically the player who created this storm in a teacup has admitted he shouldn't have acted like that and has accepted the GOM/GSL decision.
Because it's one step closer to kespa and they're allowed to get away with it. If it wasn't Naniwa and someone else, which it easily could have been, GOM would have gotten much more shit. No they wouldn't. They're getting so much shit because Naniwa is the current foreign darling, and don't even attempt to pretend that he's not. A lot of the bitching is going on from people blatantly upset that their favourite player isn't going to be in Code S. If it had been... oh I don't know... Polt, hardly anyone would have cared because he's not very popular. You accuse people criticizing gom of bias when this statement in itself reeks of bias. It's ridiculous to claim that if 'any other player' had this happen to them then Gom would be getting MORE shit. This is because Naniwa is popular. If this was done to an unpopular or just a player people had no care about, nobody would give a crap. So in other words you're saying, this drama is here/so huge primarily not because GOM made a "shifty" decision (depending on your opinion) though of course this is still one of the arguing points, but because their favourite player is under fire (fan boyism whatever).
It's so HUGE because of that, yes. It would be here in some form anyway, but it wouldn't be half as big. Naniwa's the big foreigner of doom right now because of his MLG performance and lots of people are hyped to see how he does in Code S. I don't think it's coincidental that almost every poster from Sweden is angry over this and there are tons of posts about how this is a slap in the face to 'the entire foreigner community' despite the fact GOM bend over backwards to make foreigners' lives easier when they go to Korea.
On December 15 2011 14:05 Tyrant0 wrote:
No one would give a crap because GOM wouldn't be able to do it without a backlash. Community is already divided over Naniwa. Imagine if it happened to someone less controversial.
Actually no, they could do it, BECAUSE NO-ONE WOULD CARE. If this was a Korean who wasn't huge in the foreigner community - like Polt or Rain or someone who's never really made an impact - there'd be tons of posts along the lines of 'seems harsh but I don't care to see him play anyway'.
The foreign community would not weigh in heavily for an unpopular Korean, the way they will for a popular - though controversial - foreigner who has the complete backing of the Swedish SC2 population (by the looks of things, at least).
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talk about showing disrespect to the fans and viewers by blatantly "retconning" and lying to the fanbase. So naniwas arguable disrespect gets severely punished and GOM responds to the backlash with lies and more disresoect.
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On December 15 2011 07:12 KAkos MAgos wrote:
ok here i got a question. why idra and sen ? i mean puma, stephano are better in results then the one GSL has chosen. why not take them ? or some other european guys ?
...they have better GSL points than all the other europeans 
plus puma already tried for Code A, and stephano had only one big tournament, whereas Idra has placed very highly at MLG, DH, and IEM. Sen just tears apart all Pacific/Asian players on the Eastern servers that aren't top level koreans
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On December 15 2011 14:07 latan wrote:
talk about showing disrespect to the fans and viewers by blatantly "retconning" and lying to the fanbase. So naniwas arguable disrespect gets severely punished and GOM responds to the backlash with lies and more disresoect.
'retconning'? 'disreoect'? what in the hell is that?
tell me where GOM lied. and Naniwa started all this, go blame him.
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