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On December 15 2011 13:33 Shortynut wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 13:08 diophan wrote:On December 15 2011 13:03 Shortynut wrote:On December 15 2011 12:44 teamsolid wrote:On December 15 2011 12:30 Golgotha wrote:On December 15 2011 12:23 bobohobo wrote:
GOM never released a statement saying that Naniwa got code S, it was always MLG that said it. People should stop crapping on GOM for what MLG said. We need to wait for MLG's official position on this matter to get the whole picture. It is entirely possible that there was miscommunication between GOM and MLG.
Second, GOM released their new GSL format back in OCTOBER which clearly indicates two international seed invites. Nowhere does it mention the exchange program with MLG. In any case, I'm leaning towards GOM and MLG not communication this well enough to the community rather than GOM lying about it. lol you helpless fools. if Naniwa never really had Code S status, then why did GOM stealth change some of their previous announcements just hours ago? Huh? huh? Yeah I thought so. Was there any proof of this ever happening? Huh? huh? Cuz I haven't seen any yet. Screenshots would be nice. Proof is hard to come by unless there's a copied & pasted version on another site BEFORE the changes, but yet i actually read the first article and it mentioned the comments about "money hunter" and "unprofessional". They were retracted several hours afterwards when the extreme amount of backlash became too overwhelming. If GOM had admittedly changed their statement and shown themselves to back down, they would've been backed into a corner and forced to change their decision. There is also the fact that on the Live stream during the Ro.6 on Wednesday (i will try to be as accurate as possible) Tastosis (Tasteless specifically) announced that "GSL have decided that Naniwa's Code S seed has been revoked for the start of GSL 2012 and he will no longer be allowed to compete in February". That isn't word for word because I honestly didn't expect such a massive shitstorm from a divided community and therefore did not even try to remember it, but you MIGHT be able to find it on some tube sight or even in the VODS from Wednesday night. I think their statement will validate GOM's initial response. No, they weren't retracted, it was mistranslated. The translator himself apologized. They were retracted AFTER the misinterpretation was realised DUE to the foreign community's rage at those remarks. If nobody had actually cared they probably wouldn't have gone as far as to correct it and formally apologise, but people were cut.
wtf are you talking about? gom didn't correct or retract anything. the guy who mistranslated it did.
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On December 15 2011 13:33 Shortynut wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 13:08 diophan wrote:On December 15 2011 13:03 Shortynut wrote:On December 15 2011 12:44 teamsolid wrote:On December 15 2011 12:30 Golgotha wrote:On December 15 2011 12:23 bobohobo wrote:
GOM never released a statement saying that Naniwa got code S, it was always MLG that said it. People should stop crapping on GOM for what MLG said. We need to wait for MLG's official position on this matter to get the whole picture. It is entirely possible that there was miscommunication between GOM and MLG.
Second, GOM released their new GSL format back in OCTOBER which clearly indicates two international seed invites. Nowhere does it mention the exchange program with MLG. In any case, I'm leaning towards GOM and MLG not communication this well enough to the community rather than GOM lying about it. lol you helpless fools. if Naniwa never really had Code S status, then why did GOM stealth change some of their previous announcements just hours ago? Huh? huh? Yeah I thought so. Was there any proof of this ever happening? Huh? huh? Cuz I haven't seen any yet. Screenshots would be nice. Proof is hard to come by unless there's a copied & pasted version on another site BEFORE the changes, but yet i actually read the first article and it mentioned the comments about "money hunter" and "unprofessional". They were retracted several hours afterwards when the extreme amount of backlash became too overwhelming. If GOM had admittedly changed their statement and shown themselves to back down, they would've been backed into a corner and forced to change their decision. There is also the fact that on the Live stream during the Ro.6 on Wednesday (i will try to be as accurate as possible) Tastosis (Tasteless specifically) announced that "GSL have decided that Naniwa's Code S seed has been revoked for the start of GSL 2012 and he will no longer be allowed to compete in February". That isn't word for word because I honestly didn't expect such a massive shitstorm from a divided community and therefore did not even try to remember it, but you MIGHT be able to find it on some tube sight or even in the VODS from Wednesday night. I think their statement will validate GOM's initial response. No, they weren't retracted, it was mistranslated. The translator himself apologized. They were retracted AFTER the misinterpretation was realised DUE to the foreign community's rage at those remarks. If nobody had actually cared they probably wouldn't have gone as far as to correct it and formally apologise, but people were cut.
Please read what other people said carefully. There was no such statement at all where GOM said what you accuse of them saying. The person who translated it to TL apologized and admitted his mistake. You are delusional claiming that you actually read an article by GOM.
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On December 15 2011 13:34 diophan wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 13:31 ellirc wrote:On December 15 2011 13:25 sleigh bells wrote:
i don't know about other countries but in the US, most leagues have teams play some "meaningless games." teams might not try their absolute hardest but they still play the damn game. because people are still paying to watch. because they still need practice (like naniwa has better practice partners than nestea lol). maybe because they just like playing. even when they have an incentive to actually lose (the draft).
it's the nature of this league's format, which no one complained about beforehand for having the potential to create some meaningless games.
of course if gom lied about not giving him a code s spot, that sucks too. The "meaningless games" you are talking about cannot be compared to this situation at all. In football(US or EU) and hockey the matches are based on time, there is literally no way to cheese or worker rush. If there was a time limit in SC2 this whole situation would never happen at all. The nature of this league is unprecedented since for example up and down matches are never played if they bear no meaning as to who moves up or down... So you think if there was an option in hockey for a team to just give up immediately, or within 5 seconds, all the fans with season tickets, everyone else who went to the game, everyone watching on television, all the sponsors, etc. would be okay with this? It has nothing to do with time... it's all about people paying to see both sides honestly compete.
It's a useless comparison which is not worth discussing since that's not how hockey works(I watch my team several times a week).. If you want to see people honestly compete you need to watch a tournament that uses a format which doesn't force this type of situation.
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Regardless of whether or not Naniwa had actually won a Code S spot from MLG Providence (a lot of people seem to be very hung up on this since GomTV claims he didn't), he deserves the punishment. His actions were a disgrace to the eSports community. He was acting childish because things didn't go his way without any regard for the organization that had given him the opportunity to compete there in the first place or the thousands of fans that wanted to see a Naniwa vs. NesTea rematch. What he did was unfair to GomTV, NesTea and his fans.
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On December 15 2011 13:33 Shortynut wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 13:08 diophan wrote:On December 15 2011 13:03 Shortynut wrote:On December 15 2011 12:44 teamsolid wrote:On December 15 2011 12:30 Golgotha wrote:On December 15 2011 12:23 bobohobo wrote:
GOM never released a statement saying that Naniwa got code S, it was always MLG that said it. People should stop crapping on GOM for what MLG said. We need to wait for MLG's official position on this matter to get the whole picture. It is entirely possible that there was miscommunication between GOM and MLG.
Second, GOM released their new GSL format back in OCTOBER which clearly indicates two international seed invites. Nowhere does it mention the exchange program with MLG. In any case, I'm leaning towards GOM and MLG not communication this well enough to the community rather than GOM lying about it. lol you helpless fools. if Naniwa never really had Code S status, then why did GOM stealth change some of their previous announcements just hours ago? Huh? huh? Yeah I thought so. Was there any proof of this ever happening? Huh? huh? Cuz I haven't seen any yet. Screenshots would be nice. Proof is hard to come by unless there's a copied & pasted version on another site BEFORE the changes, but yet i actually read the first article and it mentioned the comments about "money hunter" and "unprofessional". They were retracted several hours afterwards when the extreme amount of backlash became too overwhelming. If GOM had admittedly changed their statement and shown themselves to back down, they would've been backed into a corner and forced to change their decision. There is also the fact that on the Live stream during the Ro.6 on Wednesday (i will try to be as accurate as possible) Tastosis (Tasteless specifically) announced that "GSL have decided that Naniwa's Code S seed has been revoked for the start of GSL 2012 and he will no longer be allowed to compete in February". That isn't word for word because I honestly didn't expect such a massive shitstorm from a divided community and therefore did not even try to remember it, but you MIGHT be able to find it on some tube sight or even in the VODS from Wednesday night. I think their statement will validate GOM's initial response. No, they weren't retracted, it was mistranslated. The translator himself apologized. They were retracted AFTER the misinterpretation was realised DUE to the foreign community's rage at those remarks. If nobody had actually cared they probably wouldn't have gone as far as to correct it and formally apologise, but people were cut.
Okay, now I know you're just making shit up to cause drama. GOM never translated anything, it was just another random guy from TL who made the mistranslation and apologized for it below:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=294943
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On December 15 2011 13:36 [AUS]Spirit wrote:
i will never buy another GOMTV pass again. Thats ridiculous and that statement is hypocritical :
We are not punishing him for the action, just removing him from the top of the list (ie: taking away his code S seed) and that was the only factor to it...
And also: We didnt ever explain out international seed rule (edit: so we made them up...?)
What a load of crock. Naniwa is an extremely exciting foreign powerhouse and if GSL wants to be the best league in the world, then denying that player a chance that he earned is ridiculous.
-1 paying viewer
Naniwa is an extremely exciting foreign powerhouse who has gone 1W12L in the GSL, who will probably do another "BM(ly)" move again when he gets emotional (at least from looking at his history thus far), and probably piss off more korean players and fans than he does attracting foreign fans during his time there.
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On December 15 2011 13:31 iamthedave wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 13:28 Tyrant0 wrote:On December 15 2011 13:07 Sawofhackness wrote:
Why are people still attacking this decision?
Naniwa has accepted it and apologised.
Basically the player who created this storm in a teacup has admitted he shouldn't have acted like that and has accepted the GOM/GSL decision.
Because it's one step closer to kespa and they're allowed to get away with it. If it wasn't Naniwa and someone else, which it easily could have been, GOM would have gotten much more shit. No they wouldn't. They're getting so much shit because Naniwa is the current foreign darling, and don't even attempt to pretend that he's not. A lot of the bitching is going on from people blatantly upset that their favourite player isn't going to be in Code S. If it had been... oh I don't know... Polt, hardly anyone would have cared because he's not very popular.
You accuse people criticizing gom of bias when this statement in itself reeks of bias.
On December 15 2011 13:38 Achaia wrote:
Regardless of whether or not Naniwa had actually won a Code S spot from MLG Providence (a lot of people seem to be very hung up on this since GomTV claims he didn't), he deserves the punishment. His actions were a disgrace to the eSports community. He was acting childish because things didn't go his way without any regard for the organization that had given him the opportunity to compete there in the first place or the thousands of fans that wanted to see a Naniwa vs. NesTea rematch. What he did was unfair to GomTV, NesTea and his fans.
No, he doesn't deserve the punishment. CoCa got banned from GSL for match fixing. Naniwa felt down and quit a match that was meaningless. Is he savior now? Should he be hung? No. Quit the holier-than-thou knee jerk reactions.
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On December 15 2011 13:38 ellirc wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 13:34 diophan wrote:On December 15 2011 13:31 ellirc wrote:On December 15 2011 13:25 sleigh bells wrote:
i don't know about other countries but in the US, most leagues have teams play some "meaningless games." teams might not try their absolute hardest but they still play the damn game. because people are still paying to watch. because they still need practice (like naniwa has better practice partners than nestea lol). maybe because they just like playing. even when they have an incentive to actually lose (the draft).
it's the nature of this league's format, which no one complained about beforehand for having the potential to create some meaningless games.
of course if gom lied about not giving him a code s spot, that sucks too. The "meaningless games" you are talking about cannot be compared to this situation at all. In football(US or EU) and hockey the matches are based on time, there is literally no way to cheese or worker rush. If there was a time limit in SC2 this whole situation would never happen at all. The nature of this league is unprecedented since for example up and down matches are never played if they bear no meaning as to who moves up or down... So you think if there was an option in hockey for a team to just give up immediately, or within 5 seconds, all the fans with season tickets, everyone else who went to the game, everyone watching on television, all the sponsors, etc. would be okay with this? It has nothing to do with time... it's all about people paying to see both sides honestly compete. It's a useless comparison which is not worth discussing since that's not how hockey works(I watch my team several times a week).. If you want to see people honestly compete you need to watch a tournament that uses a format which doesn't force this type of situation.
What's useless about it? Does your team try to shoot the puck into the net from the red line and then refuse to do anything for the rest of the game when they're not in playoff contention anymore?
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Good call and handling by GOM. In fact I might consider buying a cheap pass just to watch forgg, something that has never occured to me before.
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On December 15 2011 13:36 JoeSchmoe wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 13:33 Shortynut wrote:On December 15 2011 13:08 diophan wrote:On December 15 2011 13:03 Shortynut wrote:On December 15 2011 12:44 teamsolid wrote:On December 15 2011 12:30 Golgotha wrote:On December 15 2011 12:23 bobohobo wrote:
GOM never released a statement saying that Naniwa got code S, it was always MLG that said it. People should stop crapping on GOM for what MLG said. We need to wait for MLG's official position on this matter to get the whole picture. It is entirely possible that there was miscommunication between GOM and MLG.
Second, GOM released their new GSL format back in OCTOBER which clearly indicates two international seed invites. Nowhere does it mention the exchange program with MLG. In any case, I'm leaning towards GOM and MLG not communication this well enough to the community rather than GOM lying about it. lol you helpless fools. if Naniwa never really had Code S status, then why did GOM stealth change some of their previous announcements just hours ago? Huh? huh? Yeah I thought so. Was there any proof of this ever happening? Huh? huh? Cuz I haven't seen any yet. Screenshots would be nice. Proof is hard to come by unless there's a copied & pasted version on another site BEFORE the changes, but yet i actually read the first article and it mentioned the comments about "money hunter" and "unprofessional". They were retracted several hours afterwards when the extreme amount of backlash became too overwhelming. If GOM had admittedly changed their statement and shown themselves to back down, they would've been backed into a corner and forced to change their decision. There is also the fact that on the Live stream during the Ro.6 on Wednesday (i will try to be as accurate as possible) Tastosis (Tasteless specifically) announced that "GSL have decided that Naniwa's Code S seed has been revoked for the start of GSL 2012 and he will no longer be allowed to compete in February". That isn't word for word because I honestly didn't expect such a massive shitstorm from a divided community and therefore did not even try to remember it, but you MIGHT be able to find it on some tube sight or even in the VODS from Wednesday night. I think their statement will validate GOM's initial response. No, they weren't retracted, it was mistranslated. The translator himself apologized. They were retracted AFTER the misinterpretation was realised DUE to the foreign community's rage at those remarks. If nobody had actually cared they probably wouldn't have gone as far as to correct it and formally apologise, but people were cut. wtf are you talking about? gom didn't correct or retract anything. the guy who mistranslated it did.
I am talking about the official statement on the website, read my original post before start going "wtf no".
if u actually saw the statement when it was first released on GOMs page the other night, you would've noticed it much shorter and in a different context to the one that you can currently read on there now. If you didn't see that original statement, don't call those who did liars and start questioning them
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This smells rotten. Someone should investigate this whole thing. I dont buy the mistranslation argument.
I actually kinda liked GOM before but after reading this ...
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On December 15 2011 13:46 Weson wrote:
This smells rotten. Someone should investigate this whole thing. I dont buy the mistranslation argument.
I actually kinda liked GOM before but after reading this ...
You can investigate yourself, the apology of the translator is in the first few pages of:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=294943
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On December 15 2011 10:50 OhYess wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 06:43 Gin-san wrote:
That's actually a pretty lame response, just like i expected it. They think they're 100% correct and only blame NaNiwa. Hopefully Blizzard won't give the next SC2 contract to you but to KeSPA. If it was KeSPA who Naniwa did this too, his punishment would be MUCH more severe. KeSPA takes e-sports extremely seriously, and punish ruthlessly. Which I do like in a way.
Wrong, Naniwa wouldn't have a chance to do this to KeSPA because they would actually have a proper ruleset and tournament structure.
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On December 15 2011 13:43 Shortynut wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 13:36 JoeSchmoe wrote:On December 15 2011 13:33 Shortynut wrote:On December 15 2011 13:08 diophan wrote:On December 15 2011 13:03 Shortynut wrote:On December 15 2011 12:44 teamsolid wrote:On December 15 2011 12:30 Golgotha wrote:On December 15 2011 12:23 bobohobo wrote:
GOM never released a statement saying that Naniwa got code S, it was always MLG that said it. People should stop crapping on GOM for what MLG said. We need to wait for MLG's official position on this matter to get the whole picture. It is entirely possible that there was miscommunication between GOM and MLG.
Second, GOM released their new GSL format back in OCTOBER which clearly indicates two international seed invites. Nowhere does it mention the exchange program with MLG. In any case, I'm leaning towards GOM and MLG not communication this well enough to the community rather than GOM lying about it. lol you helpless fools. if Naniwa never really had Code S status, then why did GOM stealth change some of their previous announcements just hours ago? Huh? huh? Yeah I thought so. Was there any proof of this ever happening? Huh? huh? Cuz I haven't seen any yet. Screenshots would be nice. Proof is hard to come by unless there's a copied & pasted version on another site BEFORE the changes, but yet i actually read the first article and it mentioned the comments about "money hunter" and "unprofessional". They were retracted several hours afterwards when the extreme amount of backlash became too overwhelming. If GOM had admittedly changed their statement and shown themselves to back down, they would've been backed into a corner and forced to change their decision. There is also the fact that on the Live stream during the Ro.6 on Wednesday (i will try to be as accurate as possible) Tastosis (Tasteless specifically) announced that "GSL have decided that Naniwa's Code S seed has been revoked for the start of GSL 2012 and he will no longer be allowed to compete in February". That isn't word for word because I honestly didn't expect such a massive shitstorm from a divided community and therefore did not even try to remember it, but you MIGHT be able to find it on some tube sight or even in the VODS from Wednesday night. I think their statement will validate GOM's initial response. No, they weren't retracted, it was mistranslated. The translator himself apologized. They were retracted AFTER the misinterpretation was realised DUE to the foreign community's rage at those remarks. If nobody had actually cared they probably wouldn't have gone as far as to correct it and formally apologise, but people were cut. wtf are you talking about? gom didn't correct or retract anything. the guy who mistranslated it did. I am talking about the official statement on the website, read my original post before start going "wtf no". if u actually saw the statement when it was first released on GOMs page the other night, you would've noticed it much shorter and in a different context to the one that you can currently read on there now. If you didn't see that original statement, don't call those who did liars and start questioning them
nothing in your original post mentions a statement on GOM's website. all you mentioned were the mistranslations of CryingPoo's friend. lets see the statement then because the "ooh it got taken down" excuse is not going to fly.
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On December 15 2011 13:49 Kryptic.610 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 10:50 OhYess wrote:On December 15 2011 06:43 Gin-san wrote:
That's actually a pretty lame response, just like i expected it. They think they're 100% correct and only blame NaNiwa. Hopefully Blizzard won't give the next SC2 contract to you but to KeSPA. If it was KeSPA who Naniwa did this too, his punishment would be MUCH more severe. KeSPA takes e-sports extremely seriously, and punish ruthlessly. Which I do like in a way. Wrong, Naniwa wouldn't have a chance to do this to KeSPA because they would actually have a proper ruleset and tournament structure.
Having a bunch of rules doesn't mean a player won't decide to not break them on a temporary whim/emotion outbreak. And knowing Naniwa's history of doing things, he has a higher chances than most people in doing so.
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On December 15 2011 13:42 diophan wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 13:38 ellirc wrote:On December 15 2011 13:34 diophan wrote:On December 15 2011 13:31 ellirc wrote:On December 15 2011 13:25 sleigh bells wrote:
i don't know about other countries but in the US, most leagues have teams play some "meaningless games." teams might not try their absolute hardest but they still play the damn game. because people are still paying to watch. because they still need practice (like naniwa has better practice partners than nestea lol). maybe because they just like playing. even when they have an incentive to actually lose (the draft).
it's the nature of this league's format, which no one complained about beforehand for having the potential to create some meaningless games.
of course if gom lied about not giving him a code s spot, that sucks too. The "meaningless games" you are talking about cannot be compared to this situation at all. In football(US or EU) and hockey the matches are based on time, there is literally no way to cheese or worker rush. If there was a time limit in SC2 this whole situation would never happen at all. The nature of this league is unprecedented since for example up and down matches are never played if they bear no meaning as to who moves up or down... So you think if there was an option in hockey for a team to just give up immediately, or within 5 seconds, all the fans with season tickets, everyone else who went to the game, everyone watching on television, all the sponsors, etc. would be okay with this? It has nothing to do with time... it's all about people paying to see both sides honestly compete. It's a useless comparison which is not worth discussing since that's not how hockey works(I watch my team several times a week).. If you want to see people honestly compete you need to watch a tournament that uses a format which doesn't force this type of situation. What's useless about it? Does your team try to shoot the puck into the net from the red line and then refuse to do anything for the rest of the game when they're not in playoff contention anymore?
Hockey games are 60 minutes long. SC2 ends when someone GGs. If there were a set minimum time limit on a game and Naniwa just sat there doing nothing or killing his own units, then it would be a valid comparison. As it is, yes, it is useless. You can make your argument without comparing it to other things, especially things that it doesn't actually relate to.
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was always under the impression that mlg providence was for code S. don't remember gom saying anything different until now. they should just let him in code S for the next gsl after January's, since they already gave sen the spot for the coming season.
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On December 15 2011 13:38 teamsolid wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 13:33 Shortynut wrote:On December 15 2011 13:08 diophan wrote:On December 15 2011 13:03 Shortynut wrote:On December 15 2011 12:44 teamsolid wrote:On December 15 2011 12:30 Golgotha wrote:On December 15 2011 12:23 bobohobo wrote:
GOM never released a statement saying that Naniwa got code S, it was always MLG that said it. People should stop crapping on GOM for what MLG said. We need to wait for MLG's official position on this matter to get the whole picture. It is entirely possible that there was miscommunication between GOM and MLG.
Second, GOM released their new GSL format back in OCTOBER which clearly indicates two international seed invites. Nowhere does it mention the exchange program with MLG. In any case, I'm leaning towards GOM and MLG not communication this well enough to the community rather than GOM lying about it. lol you helpless fools. if Naniwa never really had Code S status, then why did GOM stealth change some of their previous announcements just hours ago? Huh? huh? Yeah I thought so. Was there any proof of this ever happening? Huh? huh? Cuz I haven't seen any yet. Screenshots would be nice. Proof is hard to come by unless there's a copied & pasted version on another site BEFORE the changes, but yet i actually read the first article and it mentioned the comments about "money hunter" and "unprofessional". They were retracted several hours afterwards when the extreme amount of backlash became too overwhelming. If GOM had admittedly changed their statement and shown themselves to back down, they would've been backed into a corner and forced to change their decision. There is also the fact that on the Live stream during the Ro.6 on Wednesday (i will try to be as accurate as possible) Tastosis (Tasteless specifically) announced that "GSL have decided that Naniwa's Code S seed has been revoked for the start of GSL 2012 and he will no longer be allowed to compete in February". That isn't word for word because I honestly didn't expect such a massive shitstorm from a divided community and therefore did not even try to remember it, but you MIGHT be able to find it on some tube sight or even in the VODS from Wednesday night. I think their statement will validate GOM's initial response. No, they weren't retracted, it was mistranslated. The translator himself apologized. They were retracted AFTER the misinterpretation was realised DUE to the foreign community's rage at those remarks. If nobody had actually cared they probably wouldn't have gone as far as to correct it and formally apologise, but people were cut. Okay, now I know you're just making shit up to cause drama. GOM never translated anything, it was just another random guy from TL who made the mistranslation and apologized for it below: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=294943
ok clearly you are too ignorant to understand my point. I am not talking about any article currently or previously on TL.net. I am referring to the statement released by GOM after the incident BEFORE the 'Announcement regarding NaNiwa" thread which is currently up. If you didn't read it, be quiet about what was said in it! because you honestly don't know what you are talking about.
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On December 15 2011 13:42 diophan wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 13:38 ellirc wrote:On December 15 2011 13:34 diophan wrote:On December 15 2011 13:31 ellirc wrote:On December 15 2011 13:25 sleigh bells wrote:
i don't know about other countries but in the US, most leagues have teams play some "meaningless games." teams might not try their absolute hardest but they still play the damn game. because people are still paying to watch. because they still need practice (like naniwa has better practice partners than nestea lol). maybe because they just like playing. even when they have an incentive to actually lose (the draft).
it's the nature of this league's format, which no one complained about beforehand for having the potential to create some meaningless games.
of course if gom lied about not giving him a code s spot, that sucks too. The "meaningless games" you are talking about cannot be compared to this situation at all. In football(US or EU) and hockey the matches are based on time, there is literally no way to cheese or worker rush. If there was a time limit in SC2 this whole situation would never happen at all. The nature of this league is unprecedented since for example up and down matches are never played if they bear no meaning as to who moves up or down... So you think if there was an option in hockey for a team to just give up immediately, or within 5 seconds, all the fans with season tickets, everyone else who went to the game, everyone watching on television, all the sponsors, etc. would be okay with this? It has nothing to do with time... it's all about people paying to see both sides honestly compete. It's a useless comparison which is not worth discussing since that's not how hockey works(I watch my team several times a week).. If you want to see people honestly compete you need to watch a tournament that uses a format which doesn't force this type of situation. What's useless about it? Does your team try to shoot the puck into the net from the red line and then refuse to do anything for the rest of the game when they're not in playoff contention anymore?
The comparison simply doesn't work. Team game vs indivdual. Season vs single BO1 elimination. If you don't get it I have nothing more to say I'm afraid.
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In hockey you can still sit and do nothing to preserve energy instead of wasting it in a meaningless game. No?
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