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On December 15 2011 11:48 Peleus wrote:
Has GOM ever come out previously saying Naniwa has a code S spot or has it always been MLG?
GOM never confirmed any MLG player to get code A/S spot, it was always MLG.
HOWEVER saying that Naniwa didn't earn his spot in GSL 2012 January because of format change is the biggest bullshit in this whole drama. It is not a problem to save one of the 2 invite spots for the player who has earned it through agreement between GSL and MLG. MLG providence was a part of this agreement as 4 GSL players were sent to Providence to compete.
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On December 15 2011 11:51 mrtomjones wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 11:42 Tyrant0 wrote:On December 15 2011 11:39 FallDownMarigold wrote:On December 15 2011 11:35 skipgamer wrote:
This was bad PR GSL, you should have just come out and said "yes, we revoked Naniwa's code S status."
Now MLG/Quantic/Lawyers have a chance to fight back and say, "he earned his spot, he has to be let play."
This could get veeeery veeeery interesting Haven't bothered to check but is MLG/Quantic actually bringing legal action against Gom? Or is this just totally random/meaningless? It's completely speculation on what they COULD do. It's way too late, they'll never go back now. They're going to salvage whatever PR they can and take GOM up the ass, which sucks because GOM is basically standing firm over their fuck ups and aren't being held accountable. gom made vitually no fuckups.
Except for the lying about the Code S spot.
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On December 15 2011 11:50 chinese_paladin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 11:46 DeliCiousVP wrote:
Well now its official GOMTV looks down on foreigners, Who is more moneyhungry then Gom charging all the money in the world while having the "Free" view hours on the most inconvienent American hours? you think thats not intentional but maybe. This was an EMOTIONAL reaction from GOM.
Shame on you GOM be above the status quo. Don't talk about inconvienent hours when Dreamhack was on when i twas around 2-3 AM in the US. It seems Naniwa has a record of acting like a 5th grade brat.
12.2011-present Quantic
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I think I see your point Chinese Paladin
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I'd just like to state that the Indianapolis Colts were 14-0 last season, and "purposefully" pulled Payton Manning as QB that game (15th game). They "threw" the game. They lost that game, and went 14-1 after that "thrown game".
The NFL did not fine them. Fans were mad, but the team was smart enough to make a judgment call over a game that was meaningless. The team did not lose viewership whatsoever.
I hope you learn how to conduct yourself in a more "professional" manner next time, GOM. Wildly inappropriate decision by any business standpoints. You cannot name one professional sport which would follow your approach. Not one. A fiscal fine is the only thing that should be allowed. Anything else is sheer power-hungry dictatorial punishment.
Grow up, and learn how to expand you views outside of your Korean bubble of elite culture which strikes the hand of anybody who deviates from a fallacy of perfection. Coca and nAl_Ra would agree about what punishments they received in the Korean Weekly, and the SKY Proleague 2v2 matches, respectively. Stupid as fuck.
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On December 15 2011 11:52 BlindSight754 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 11:51 mrtomjones wrote:On December 15 2011 11:42 Tyrant0 wrote:On December 15 2011 11:39 FallDownMarigold wrote:On December 15 2011 11:35 skipgamer wrote:
This was bad PR GSL, you should have just come out and said "yes, we revoked Naniwa's code S status."
Now MLG/Quantic/Lawyers have a chance to fight back and say, "he earned his spot, he has to be let play."
This could get veeeery veeeery interesting Haven't bothered to check but is MLG/Quantic actually bringing legal action against Gom? Or is this just totally random/meaningless? It's completely speculation on what they COULD do. It's way too late, they'll never go back now. They're going to salvage whatever PR they can and take GOM up the ass, which sucks because GOM is basically standing firm over their fuck ups and aren't being held accountable. gom made vitually no fuckups. Except for the lying about the Code S spot.
they didn't lie, you should probably get your facts straight or wait for a statement from MLG before accusing a company of lying.
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@ SojuPrime: That pretty much provides a history of him not being able to get along with teams.
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On December 15 2011 11:52 Tyrant0 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 11:48 teamsolid wrote:On December 15 2011 11:46 DeliCiousVP wrote:
Well now its official GOMTV looks down on foreigners, Who is more moneyhungry then Gom charging all the money in the world while having the "Free" view hours on the most inconvienent American hours? you think thats not intentional but maybe. This was an EMOTIONAL reaction from GOM.
Shame on you GOM be above the status quo. Yea, because if a Korean player pulled the same stunt, he wouldn't have gotten banned straight out from GSL... sigh It's already happened, and that player has already been banned from participating in GSL. Naniwa on the other hand was playing a show match that had nothing to do with GSL. I doubt a korean would get the same punishment, and if they did there'd probably be just as much uproar from fans. They're treating it like he dropped a RO16 match in code s when it's nothing close to it.
Nothing to do with GSL? If GOM hosts a tournament that people pay to watch and they players refuse to play their scheduled games that doesn't affect the GSL?
Further, what makes you so confident the Korean wouldn't get the same punishment, other than nothing, since Koreans are punished very harshly for not being sportsmanlike.
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On December 15 2011 11:48 teamsolid wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 11:46 DeliCiousVP wrote:
Well now its official GOMTV looks down on foreigners, Who is more moneyhungry then Gom charging all the money in the world while having the "Free" view hours on the most inconvienent American hours? you think thats not intentional but maybe. This was an EMOTIONAL reaction from GOM.
Shame on you GOM be above the status quo. Yea, because if a Korean player pulled the same stunt, he wouldn't have gotten banned straight out from GSL... sigh
First of all, you aren't following this issue quite informatively because naniwa isnt banned. He ended up being reconsidered a Code S sponsor spot which they were CONTEMPLATING On giving him.
Naniwa WASNT a Code S player neither before or after the event...
And he wouldn't have been banned from the GSL?
Outside of the fact that he wasn't banned...That's your own personal opinion...
So essentially what you're implying is that koreans are highly biased because of the fact that he's different nationalities..
Are you really bringing up the race card?
You make me sick.
Before you take that giant sigh, you might want to re-evaluate what post and what you want to say because this is the sort of posts which riles up people, ends up creating unnecessary drama in this forum. What you stated is such ignorant illogical/irrational comment...*shakes head*
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On December 15 2011 11:54 gulati wrote:
I'd just like to state that the Indianapolis Colts were 14-0 last season, and "purposefully" pulled Payton Manning as QB that game (15th game). They "threw" the game. They lost that game, and went 14-1 after that "thrown game".
The NFL did not fine them. Fans were mad, but the team was smart enough to make a judgment call over a game that was meaningless. The team did not lose viewership whatsoever.
I hope you learn how to conduct yourself in a more "professional" manner next time, GOM. Wildly inappropriate decision by any business standpoints. You cannot name one professional sport which would follow your approach. Not one. A fiscal fine is the only thing that should be allowed. Anything else is sheer power-hungry dictatorial punishment.
Grow up, and learn how to expand you views outside of your Korean bubble of elite culture which strikes the hand of anybody who deviates from a fallacy of perfection. Coca and nAl_Ra would agree about what punishments they received in the Korean Weekly, and the SKY Proleague 2v2 matches, respectively. Stupid as fuck.
I can name 2 sports off the top of my head that would act in a similar fashion. Golf and Tennis.
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On December 15 2011 11:55 LighT. wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 11:48 teamsolid wrote:On December 15 2011 11:46 DeliCiousVP wrote:
Well now its official GOMTV looks down on foreigners, Who is more moneyhungry then Gom charging all the money in the world while having the "Free" view hours on the most inconvienent American hours? you think thats not intentional but maybe. This was an EMOTIONAL reaction from GOM.
Shame on you GOM be above the status quo. Yea, because if a Korean player pulled the same stunt, he wouldn't have gotten banned straight out from GSL... sigh First of all, you aren't following this issue quite informatively because naniwa isnt banned. He ended up being reconsidered a Code S sponsor spot which they were CONTEMPLATING On giving him. Naniwa WASNT a Code S player neither before or after the event... And he wouldn't have been banned from the GSL? Outside of the fact that he wasn't banned...That's your own personal opinion... So essentially what you're implying is that koreans are highly biased because of the fact that he's different nationalities.. Are you really bringing up the race card? You make me sick. Before you take that giant sigh, you might want to re-evaluate what post and what you want to say because this is the sort of posts which riles up people, ends up creating unnecessary drama in this forum. What you stated is such ignorant illogical/irrational comment...*shakes head*
the comment you were responding to was sarcastic.
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On December 15 2011 11:52 BlindSight754 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 11:51 mrtomjones wrote:On December 15 2011 11:42 Tyrant0 wrote:On December 15 2011 11:39 FallDownMarigold wrote:On December 15 2011 11:35 skipgamer wrote:
This was bad PR GSL, you should have just come out and said "yes, we revoked Naniwa's code S status."
Now MLG/Quantic/Lawyers have a chance to fight back and say, "he earned his spot, he has to be let play."
This could get veeeery veeeery interesting Haven't bothered to check but is MLG/Quantic actually bringing legal action against Gom? Or is this just totally random/meaningless? It's completely speculation on what they COULD do. It's way too late, they'll never go back now. They're going to salvage whatever PR they can and take GOM up the ass, which sucks because GOM is basically standing firm over their fuck ups and aren't being held accountable. gom made vitually no fuckups. Except for the lying about the Code S spot.
I don't get why people think they're lying. Naniwa himself said GOM never told him he had a Code S spot, meanwhile they informed Idra a week ago that he had one. Seems like they were kind of on the edge of deciding for Naniwa and this whole thing blew him off the list. I'm kinda just waiting for MLG to speak up since they were the only ones who told everyone Naniwa was getting a spot.
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On December 15 2011 11:54 gulati wrote:
I'd just like to state that the Indianapolis Colts were 14-0 last season, and "purposefully" pulled Payton Manning as QB that game (15th game). They "threw" the game.
Not putting out your star QB is equivalent to not using your super secret awesome builds. Having a 10 year old play as your quarterback is the equivalent of using your mouse once to issue an a-move probe attack and then stare at the screen refusing to micro.
The Colts didn't put Manning out cause he might get injured. If Nani doesn't want his builds to get injured/stolen, then just use a standard build or a timing attack.
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On December 15 2011 11:52 DrGreen wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 11:48 Peleus wrote:
Has GOM ever come out previously saying Naniwa has a code S spot or has it always been MLG? GOM never confirmed any MLG player to get code A/S spot, it was always MLG. HOWEVER saying that Naniwa didn't earn his spot in GSL 2012 January because of format change is the biggest bullshit in this whole drama. It is not a problem to save one of the 2 invite spots for the player who has earned it through agreement between GSL and MLG. MLG providence was a part of this agreement as 4 GSL players were sent to Providence to compete.
no it wasn't. stop bringing up this issue before we get clarifications from MLG. No korean player was seeded directly into championship pool by MLG. everyone was in there because of accumulated seed points.
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On December 15 2011 11:54 hunts wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 11:52 BlindSight754 wrote:On December 15 2011 11:51 mrtomjones wrote:On December 15 2011 11:42 Tyrant0 wrote:On December 15 2011 11:39 FallDownMarigold wrote:On December 15 2011 11:35 skipgamer wrote:
This was bad PR GSL, you should have just come out and said "yes, we revoked Naniwa's code S status."
Now MLG/Quantic/Lawyers have a chance to fight back and say, "he earned his spot, he has to be let play."
This could get veeeery veeeery interesting Haven't bothered to check but is MLG/Quantic actually bringing legal action against Gom? Or is this just totally random/meaningless? It's completely speculation on what they COULD do. It's way too late, they'll never go back now. They're going to salvage whatever PR they can and take GOM up the ass, which sucks because GOM is basically standing firm over their fuck ups and aren't being held accountable. gom made vitually no fuckups. Except for the lying about the Code S spot. they didn't lie, you should probably get your facts straight or wait for a statement from MLG before accusing a company of lying.
It's clear from the announcements that GOM promised a Code S spot from all Pro Circuit competitions in 2011.
No they are suddenly saying there was no Code S spot on the line at Providence.
That is lying.
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On December 15 2011 11:54 gulati wrote:
I'd just like to state that the Indianapolis Colts were 14-0 last season, and "purposefully" pulled Payton Manning as QB that game (15th game). They "threw" the game. They lost that game, and went 14-1 after that "thrown game".
The NFL did not fine them. Fans were mad, but the team was smart enough to make a judgment call over a game that was meaningless. The team did not lose viewership whatsoever.
I hope you learn how to conduct yourself in a more "professional" manner next time, GOM. Wildly inappropriate decision by any business standpoints. You cannot name one professional sport which would follow your approach. Not one. A fiscal fine is the only thing that should be allowed. Anything else is sheer power-hungry dictatorial punishment.
Grow up, and learn how to expand you views outside of your Korean bubble of elite culture which strikes the hand of anybody who deviates from a fallacy of perfection. Coca and nAl_Ra would agree about what punishments they received in the Korean Weekly, and the SKY Proleague 2v2 matches, respectively. Stupid as fuck.
seriously? this is completely different the colts were qualified for the playoffs and didnt want to risk injuring anyone. in football you have an incredibly high rate of injury. had peyton manning been injured in one of the last two games you can believe that there would have been screams of furious anger.
in naniwa's case he refused to play a single game that would probably be less then 40 minutes and had basically no risk. sorry but you are a complete idiot.
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On December 15 2011 11:55 LighT. wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 11:48 teamsolid wrote:On December 15 2011 11:46 DeliCiousVP wrote:
Well now its official GOMTV looks down on foreigners, Who is more moneyhungry then Gom charging all the money in the world while having the "Free" view hours on the most inconvienent American hours? you think thats not intentional but maybe. This was an EMOTIONAL reaction from GOM.
Shame on you GOM be above the status quo. Yea, because if a Korean player pulled the same stunt, he wouldn't have gotten banned straight out from GSL... sigh First of all, you aren't following this issue quite informatively because naniwa isnt banned. He ended up being reconsidered a Code S sponsor spot which they were CONTEMPLATING On giving him. Naniwa WASNT a Code S player neither before or after the event... And he wouldn't have been banned from the GSL? Outside of the fact that he wasn't banned...That's your own personal opinion... So essentially what you're implying is that koreans are highly biased because of the fact that he's different nationalities.. Are you really bringing up the race card? You make me sick. Before you take that giant sigh, you might want to re-evaluate what post and what you want to say because this is the sort of posts which riles up people, ends up creating unnecessary drama in this forum. What you stated is such ignorant illogical/irrational comment...*shakes head*
Wasn't the quote sarcasm in response to a conspiracy theory? 
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I dunno how these kids whining on TL didn't see this before, it was unprofessional & immature behavior, there was never a problem whatsoever with GOM's response. It was warranted, I'm sure anyone that has an education can see the merit in GOM's decision it's just PLAINLY obvious. When I see tons of responses crying foul, they seem to come from the reaction of children, not to say they are children. Just childish mindset, supporting Naniwa's amateur behavior.
How can any of you defend Naniwa, and still expect outsiders to see the legitimacy of SC2 as an e-Sport please tell me children, would this type of behavior ever be acceptable in any LEGITIMATE competition?? It's disrespectful plain and simple.
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On December 15 2011 11:54 gulati wrote:
I'd just like to state that the Indianapolis Colts were 14-0 last season, and "purposefully" pulled Payton Manning as QB that game (15th game). They "threw" the game. They lost that game, and went 14-1 after that "thrown game".
The NFL did not fine them. Fans were mad, but the team was smart enough to make a judgment call over a game that was meaningless. The team did not lose viewership whatsoever.
I hope you learn how to conduct yourself in a more "professional" manner next time, GOM. Wildly inappropriate decision by any business standpoints. You cannot name one professional sport which would follow your approach. Not one. A fiscal fine is the only thing that should be allowed. Anything else is sheer power-hungry dictatorial punishment.
Grow up, and learn how to expand you views outside of your Korean bubble of elite culture which strikes the hand of anybody who deviates from a fallacy of perfection. Coca and nAl_Ra would agree about what punishments they received in the Korean Weekly, and the SKY Proleague 2v2 matches, respectively. Stupid as fuck.
This is a similar situations that many MLB teams have in the end of the seasons. Teams will occasionally take out their best players, and replace them with second-string players to either see how they perform under game conditions or to rest their starters.
But there is a translation of that into Starcraft 2 - strategy. If a player knows he's out of a tournament, he could easily play a second-rate strategy and/or not put much effort into it. It's a way of letting the player rest while avoiding flat-out not playing.
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On December 15 2011 11:55 LighT. wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 11:48 teamsolid wrote:On December 15 2011 11:46 DeliCiousVP wrote:
Well now its official GOMTV looks down on foreigners, Who is more moneyhungry then Gom charging all the money in the world while having the "Free" view hours on the most inconvienent American hours? you think thats not intentional but maybe. This was an EMOTIONAL reaction from GOM.
Shame on you GOM be above the status quo. Yea, because if a Korean player pulled the same stunt, he wouldn't have gotten banned straight out from GSL... sigh First of all, you aren't following this issue quite informatively because naniwa isnt banned. He ended up being reconsidered a Code S sponsor spot which they were CONTEMPLATING On giving him. Naniwa WASNT a Code S player neither before or after the event... And he wouldn't have been banned from the GSL? Outside of the fact that he wasn't banned...That's your own personal opinion... So essentially what you're implying is that koreans are highly biased because of the fact that he's different nationalities.. Are you really bringing up the race card? You make me sick. Before you take that giant sigh, you might want to re-evaluate what post and what you want to say because this is the sort of posts which riles up people, ends up creating unnecessary drama in this forum. What you stated is such ignorant illogical/irrational comment...*shakes head*
The post you replied to went very, very far over your head. Knee-jerk reactions are bad on the internet, don't do it so much.
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GOM gets mad respect from me for this decision. No regrets purchasing a premium+ ticket.
I'm really enjoying the butthurt from people who think throwing a game is cool. No, it isn't. Your favorite player is not only a bad sport, your favorite player has to re-qualify for the GSL. I love it.
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