EPTHere is to Naniwa making it to the finals of Code S and then throwing the final match :D
Edit: Glad that Idra got his spot at least... here is to Naniwa throwing the finals vs Idra :D
GOMTV Announcement regarding NaNiWa - Page 65
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Ephemerality
United States203 Posts
Here is to Naniwa making it to the finals of Code S and then throwing the final match :D Edit: Glad that Idra got his spot at least... here is to Naniwa throwing the finals vs Idra :D | ||
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Voltaire
United States1485 Posts
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Elfian
United States28 Posts
On December 15 2011 11:40 FieryBalrog wrote: The MLB doesn't pay the salaries of players, each team does. Just like Quantic and Naniwa. Plus they paid him to play in this tourney | ||
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uSnAmplified
United States1029 Posts
On December 15 2011 11:35 oBlade wrote: I honestly cant tell if you are arguing for or against me, you might want to review my stance on the issue in the previous post or reword yours to be a little more clear...It matters a great deal how he did it. Virtually anything other than a-moving probes while resting your chin on your keyboard arm (and even a-moving probes might have some value in countering 6pool or something, although I'm just extrapolating BW ideas here) has some winning chances. Since they have winning chances, it's impossible to judge the person's intention just by how he moves his units. I might go 1 base carrier with the sole purpose of trying to kill my opponent, but then I happen to lose and get blamed for throwing a game. But beforehand it's impossible to tell the difference. What business is it of anyone's what build or strategy I use? Really? He cares a great deal about winning - in a sense, that's all he cares about. That's why it's an intolerable situation to be placed in a match where winning won't get you anything. At least in WCGs, if you had oversized groups like that, the games weren't broadcast anyway so nobody cared if you didn't put your best effort into games after you realized you couldn't possibly get out of the group. | ||
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rd
United States2586 Posts
On December 15 2011 11:39 FallDownMarigold wrote: Haven't bothered to check but is MLG/Quantic actually bringing legal action against Gom? Or is this just totally random/meaningless? It's completely speculation on what they COULD do. It's way too late, they'll never go back now. They're going to salvage whatever PR they can and take GOM up the ass, which sucks because GOM is basically standing firm over their fuck ups and aren't being held accountable. | ||
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chinese_paladin
China11 Posts
On December 15 2011 11:41 Voltaire wrote: Am I the only one getting tired of all this e-sports drama? In full agreement | ||
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blinken
Canada368 Posts
Idra said it best, to simply not play meaningless games. Would that not solve the problem completely, without punishing Naniwa to make an example? | ||
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iamthedave
England2814 Posts
On December 15 2011 11:39 FallDownMarigold wrote: Haven't bothered to check but is MLG/Quantic actually bringing legal action against Gom? Or is this just totally random/meaningless? Random AND meaningless, in fact. Quantic unashamedly apologized for the whole incident and made no indication of anger towards Gom at all. We'll see from MLG. The fact they're looking into it suggests they're not sure what's going on yet. The chances of legal action being taken over this is zero, though. MLG aren't going to take legal action against one of their best partners over their decision to punish a player for behaviour in their tournament. | ||
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LighT.
Canada4501 Posts
On December 15 2011 11:30 _Depression wrote: Major League Baseball and similar organizations would like to say hi, and that they disagree with you. The end of the season for the MLB is a time when as many of 22 teams are playing with no chance of winning, or even affecting their final placement of the season. Teams like the Astros, Twins, Mariners and Orioles last year had more than a month's worth of games to play where absolutely nothing they did would mean anything (unless, of course, you count the Orioles playing the part of trollface to the Red Sox). But even though these teams were statistically eliminated from any shot of a playoff spot, they kept playing. Why? Because that's their job. Because if you don't show up and put in everything you've got, you're going to get called out on it. ++++1 And as a avid TOronto Raptors fan, this is shown to me every season (yea, the Raptors suck), we're always mathematically eliminated from the playoffs and our last game always end up being meaningless but the players are professionals, they're paid to compete, they're driven by the desire to win and they always play their heart out for the fans and end the season out on a good note. Naniwa's action is understandable on a microscopic perspective (it was meaningless) but in a macro perspective, looking at it as whoel, it's not justified in any perspective you look at it unless you want to count in selfish reasons...It has given Quantic Gaming a possible bad rep although they dealt with it in a beautiful classy way, it has created absolutely unnecessary drama amongst GOMTV, teamliquid forum members and the players,and caused disorder and a negative taste in what is regarded as the tournament of champions. He simply didn't think. And his formal apology although it doesnt sound like he came up with it himself....exemplifies this fact. | ||
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DeliCiousVP
Sweden343 Posts
Shame on you GOM be above the status quo. | ||
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chinese_paladin
China11 Posts
On December 15 2011 11:45 LighT. wrote: ++++1 And as a avid TOronto Raptors fan, this is shown to me every season (yea, the Raptors suck), we're always mathematically eliminated from the playoffs and our last game always end up being meaningless but the players are professionals, they're paid to compete, they're driven by the desire to win and they always play their heart out for the fans and end the season out on a good note. Naniwa's action is understandable on a microscopic perspective (it was meaningless) but in a macro perspective, looking at it as whoel, it's not justified as it has given Quantic Gaming a bad note, it has created absolutely unnecessary drama amongst GOMTV, teamliquid forum members and the players,and caused disorder and a negative taste in what is regarded as the tournament of champions. He simply didn't think. And his formal apology although it doesnt sound like he came up with it himself....exemplifies this fact. Touche | ||
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Mooneyes
Sweden72 Posts
On December 15 2011 11:20 seabass wrote: Unless you're implying that being disgusted with throwing games when you make a living off of them is a purely korean POV you're a lot more OT than you think. Im not disgusted when competitors choose to leave a walk over when the match it self has no meaning. Though that isnt what this all is about to me. Its about that it looks like someone is being punished for rules that isnt written and that if what they are saying in there statement is true then they just look like they are completly oblivious to whats happening outside Korea as everyone else was convinced Naniwa had a code S seed. If they noticed that and it wasnt true they should have realesed something dementing it. This whole debacle just makes them look unproffesional in my eyes. I mean if rules and regulations arent written why should we expect anyone to follow them. Also if they enforce unwritten "rules" or change their minds when it fits them they dont seem ethical to me. | ||
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teamsolid
Canada3668 Posts
On December 15 2011 11:46 DeliCiousVP wrote: Well now its official GOMTV looks down on foreigners, Who is more moneyhungry then Gom charging all the money in the world while having the "Free" view hours on the most inconvienent American hours? you think thats not intentional but maybe. This was an EMOTIONAL reaction from GOM. Shame on you GOM be above the status quo. Yea, because if a Korean player pulled the same stunt, he wouldn't have gotten banned straight out from GSL... sigh | ||
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SoylentCreep
Korea (South)176 Posts
On December 15 2011 11:46 DeliCiousVP wrote: Well now its official GOMTV looks down on foreigners, Who is more moneyhungry then Gom charging all the money in the world while having the "Free" view hours on the most inconvienent American hours? you think thats not intentional but maybe. This was an EMOTIONAL reaction from GOM. Shame on you GOM be above the status quo. Yeah time zones are all a conspiracy by GOM and the koreans. Shame on them! I saw this coming from a mile away. Time to get your fighting spirit back in the qualifiers, Naniwa! | ||
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Peleus
Australia420 Posts
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HowardRoark
1146 Posts
Firstly, the Protoss player this article concerns is banned from ESL and now, later, is removed from GSL (already being infamous in War3), and on top of that his teams can't cope with him so he keeps moving from team to team. Also, according to the Protoss player himself (if it is true I do not know), TEAMLIQUID's own player wont let him stay in his own teamhouse in Stockholm, Sweden. What does all this boil down to? I doubt this is a question if immaturity, the player have some serious issues, but should it be discussed this openly? I just do not know how this should be dealt with... | ||
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Headnoob
Australia2108 Posts
On December 15 2011 11:48 teamsolid wrote: Yea, because if a Korean player pulled the same stunt, he wouldn't have gotten banned straight out from GSL... sigh and also, you're complaining about a korean country broadcasting when it's convenient for korean viewers and players? i don't think you understand how things work buddy. | ||
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chinese_paladin
China11 Posts
On December 15 2011 11:46 DeliCiousVP wrote: Well now its official GOMTV looks down on foreigners, Who is more moneyhungry then Gom charging all the money in the world while having the "Free" view hours on the most inconvienent American hours? you think thats not intentional but maybe. This was an EMOTIONAL reaction from GOM. Shame on you GOM be above the status quo. Don't talk about inconvienent hours when Dreamhack was on when i twas around 2-3 AM in the US. It seems Naniwa has a record of acting like a 5th grade brat. | ||
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mrtomjones
Canada4020 Posts
On December 15 2011 11:42 Tyrant0 wrote: It's completely speculation on what they COULD do. It's way too late, they'll never go back now. They're going to salvage whatever PR they can and take GOM up the ass, which sucks because GOM is basically standing firm over their fuck ups and aren't being held accountable. gom made vitually no fuckups. | ||
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rd
United States2586 Posts
On December 15 2011 11:48 teamsolid wrote: Yea, because if a Korean player pulled the same stunt, he wouldn't have gotten banned straight out from GSL... sigh It's already happened, and that player has already been banned from participating in GSL. Naniwa on the other hand was playing a show match that had nothing to do with GSL. I doubt a korean would get the same punishment, and if they did there'd probably be just as much uproar from fans. They're treating it like he dropped a RO16 match in code s when it's nothing close to it. You're saying a knee jerk reaction to a harmless match that ultimately involved them making up a new, non-existent rule to give him one of the worst possible punishments, is not a fuck up? Nevermind the punishment, but the fact they're willing to manipulate everything just to exact their emotional revenge. They're equally guilty if not more of being unprofessional. | ||
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