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On December 15 2011 11:58 JoeSchmoe wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 11:52 DrGreen wrote:On December 15 2011 11:48 Peleus wrote:
Has GOM ever come out previously saying Naniwa has a code S spot or has it always been MLG? GOM never confirmed any MLG player to get code A/S spot, it was always MLG. HOWEVER saying that Naniwa didn't earn his spot in GSL 2012 January because of format change is the biggest bullshit in this whole drama. It is not a problem to save one of the 2 invite spots for the player who has earned it through agreement between GSL and MLG. MLG providence was a part of this agreement as 4 GSL players were sent to Providence to compete. no it wasn't. stop bringing up this issue before we get clarifications from MLG. No korean player was seeded directly into championship pool by MLG. everyone was in there because of accumulated seed points.
MVP, Bomber, MMA and one more player (forgot) got free trip to Providence in terms of MLG-GSL coop.
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If you can't recall walker how can you recall Chae? ^_^
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On December 15 2011 11:54 gulati wrote:
I'd just like to state that the Indianapolis Colts were 14-0 last season, and "purposefully" pulled Payton Manning as QB that game (15th game). They "threw" the game. They lost that game, and went 14-1 after that "thrown game".
The NFL did not fine them. Fans were mad, but the team was smart enough to make a judgment call over a game that was meaningless. The team did not lose viewership whatsoever.
I hope you learn how to conduct yourself in a more "professional" manner next time, GOM. Wildly inappropriate decision by any business standpoints. You cannot name one professional sport which would follow your approach. Not one. A fiscal fine is the only thing that should be allowed. Anything else is sheer power-hungry dictatorial punishment.
Grow up, and learn how to expand you views outside of your Korean bubble of elite culture which strikes the hand of anybody who deviates from a fallacy of perfection. Coca and nAl_Ra would agree about what punishments they received in the Korean Weekly, and the SKY Proleague 2v2 matches, respectively. Stupid as fuck.
Okay..here..why are you bringing up this "Korean bubble of elite culture" What are you basing this off of? The fact that Naniwa ended up being RECONSIDERED for a Code S SPOT!? REALLY???
Let's use your analogy..
I'll bite.
NFL did not fine Inny.
GomTV did not fine Naniwa.
Fans are angry/riled up. Fans are also angry/riled up.
Team was smart enough to make a judgment call? What does the team have to do with any of this?..you mean the NFL??
And let's say you meant to say "NFL was smart enough to make any of this", you cant make the same comparison? Why?
Because NFL is a team game. it's team sport. Inny did NOT throw the game. They simply rested their best player which does happen often I do admit in the NBA as well. They were still competitive. They still had the defence/offence co-ordinators working their ass off to win, they STILL wanted to win the game.
Your analogy would work if Inny kicked off, the ball ended up at the 10 year line and they just let the running back just jog his way through the end zone without any sort of impact...You simply just cant make the same analogy...with that and this..
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On December 15 2011 12:00 DrGreen wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 11:58 JoeSchmoe wrote:On December 15 2011 11:52 DrGreen wrote:On December 15 2011 11:48 Peleus wrote:
Has GOM ever come out previously saying Naniwa has a code S spot or has it always been MLG? GOM never confirmed any MLG player to get code A/S spot, it was always MLG. HOWEVER saying that Naniwa didn't earn his spot in GSL 2012 January because of format change is the biggest bullshit in this whole drama. It is not a problem to save one of the 2 invite spots for the player who has earned it through agreement between GSL and MLG. MLG providence was a part of this agreement as 4 GSL players were sent to Providence to compete. no it wasn't. stop bringing up this issue before we get clarifications from MLG. No korean player was seeded directly into championship pool by MLG. everyone was in there because of accumulated seed points. MVP, Bomber, MMA and one more player (forgot) got free trip to Providence in terms of MLG-GSL coop.
No, Bomber, MMA, and MC were seeded into the championship bracket because of their previous MLG tournaments. MLG pays for all seeded players to participate.
QxG paid for MVP and Nestea to attend.
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On December 15 2011 11:58 Vorenius wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 11:54 hunts wrote:On December 15 2011 11:52 BlindSight754 wrote:On December 15 2011 11:51 mrtomjones wrote:On December 15 2011 11:42 Tyrant0 wrote:On December 15 2011 11:39 FallDownMarigold wrote:On December 15 2011 11:35 skipgamer wrote:
This was bad PR GSL, you should have just come out and said "yes, we revoked Naniwa's code S status."
Now MLG/Quantic/Lawyers have a chance to fight back and say, "he earned his spot, he has to be let play."
This could get veeeery veeeery interesting Haven't bothered to check but is MLG/Quantic actually bringing legal action against Gom? Or is this just totally random/meaningless? It's completely speculation on what they COULD do. It's way too late, they'll never go back now. They're going to salvage whatever PR they can and take GOM up the ass, which sucks because GOM is basically standing firm over their fuck ups and aren't being held accountable. gom made vitually no fuckups. Except for the lying about the Code S spot. they didn't lie, you should probably get your facts straight or wait for a statement from MLG before accusing a company of lying. It's clear from the announcements that GOM promised a Code S spot from all Pro Circuit competitions in 2011. No they are suddenly saying there was no Code S spot on the line at Providence. That is lying.
in my opinion it reads that gom promised a code s spot guaranteed for 2011 events. since the gsl season is over i don't have a problem with them deciding they were going to change the format.
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On December 15 2011 11:55 diophan wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 11:52 Tyrant0 wrote:On December 15 2011 11:48 teamsolid wrote:On December 15 2011 11:46 DeliCiousVP wrote:
Well now its official GOMTV looks down on foreigners, Who is more moneyhungry then Gom charging all the money in the world while having the "Free" view hours on the most inconvienent American hours? you think thats not intentional but maybe. This was an EMOTIONAL reaction from GOM.
Shame on you GOM be above the status quo. Yea, because if a Korean player pulled the same stunt, he wouldn't have gotten banned straight out from GSL... sigh It's already happened, and that player has already been banned from participating in GSL. Naniwa on the other hand was playing a show match that had nothing to do with GSL. I doubt a korean would get the same punishment, and if they did there'd probably be just as much uproar from fans. They're treating it like he dropped a RO16 match in code s when it's nothing close to it. Nothing to do with GSL? If GOM hosts a tournament that people pay to watch and they players refuse to play their scheduled games that doesn't affect the GSL? Further, what makes you so confident the Korean wouldn't get the same punishment, other than nothing, since Koreans are punished very harshly for not being sportsmanlike.
It has nothing to do with GSL. It's a random show match of who everything thinks are the top players. Naniwa didn't refuse to play, nor has anyone ever refused to play, which is explicitly against the rules. Again, uproar from the player's fans. Most of the rage from Korea, I think, is partially cause Naniwa is Naniwa, it was a show match vs a supposed rival (a very respected Nestea), and hes a foreigner. I'm not saying Korea hates foreigners. I'm saying GOM is listening to their fans.
GOM gets mad respect from me for this decision. No regrets purchasing a premium+ ticket.
I'm really enjoying the butthurt from people who think throwing a game is cool. No, it isn't. Your favorite player is not only a bad sport, your favorite player has to re-qualify for the GSL. I love it.
Inevitably the people who support Naniwa will continue to post and read this thread, while the people who support GOM will move on with their lives. So I'm out before the butthurt in this thread reaches critical mass if it hasn't already.
Convenient. Anyone who thinks GOM is overreacting and dishing out too harsh of a punishment, thinks throwing games is cool. I guess anyone who buys a ticket wants to see kespa-esque bans for the most trivial of shit, right?
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I'm not sure if this is okay to post in this thread but there is a petition to ban Naniwa from future tournaments on Bnet...Just sayin'
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On December 15 2011 11:59 Kich wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 11:55 LighT. wrote:On December 15 2011 11:48 teamsolid wrote:On December 15 2011 11:46 DeliCiousVP wrote:
Well now its official GOMTV looks down on foreigners, Who is more moneyhungry then Gom charging all the money in the world while having the "Free" view hours on the most inconvienent American hours? you think thats not intentional but maybe. This was an EMOTIONAL reaction from GOM.
Shame on you GOM be above the status quo. Yea, because if a Korean player pulled the same stunt, he wouldn't have gotten banned straight out from GSL... sigh First of all, you aren't following this issue quite informatively because naniwa isnt banned. He ended up being reconsidered a Code S sponsor spot which they were CONTEMPLATING On giving him. Naniwa WASNT a Code S player neither before or after the event... And he wouldn't have been banned from the GSL? Outside of the fact that he wasn't banned...That's your own personal opinion... So essentially what you're implying is that koreans are highly biased because of the fact that he's different nationalities.. Are you really bringing up the race card? You make me sick. Before you take that giant sigh, you might want to re-evaluate what post and what you want to say because this is the sort of posts which riles up people, ends up creating unnecessary drama in this forum. What you stated is such ignorant illogical/irrational comment...*shakes head* The post you replied to went very, very far over your head. Knee-jerk reactions are bad on the internet, don't do it so much.
I apologize, to teamsolid for that post then, but the race card has been played before in other pages of other threads and although I chose to ignore it, I just sort of get blindly raged when I saw it again and didn't note the sarcasm.
Sowwies :3
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I dunno how these kids whining on TL didn't see this before, it was unprofessional & immature behavior, there was never a problem whatsoever with GOM's response. It was warranted, I'm sure anyone that has an education can see the merit in GOM's decision it's just PLAINLY obvious. When I see tons of responses crying foul, they seem to come from the reaction of children, not to say they are children. Just childish mindset, supporting Naniwa's amateur behavior.
How can any of you defend Naniwa, and still expect outsiders to see the legitimacy of SC2 as an e-Sport please tell me children, would this type of behavior ever be acceptable in any LEGITIMATE competition?? It's disrespectful plain and simple.
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On December 15 2011 12:02 chinese_paladin wrote:
I'm not sure if this is okay to post in this thread but there is a petition to ban Naniwa from future tournaments on Bnet...Just sayin'
I understand your walker reference.
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On December 15 2011 12:03 deadmau wrote:
I dunno how these kids whining on TL didn't see this before, it was unprofessional & immature behavior, there was never a problem whatsoever with GOM's response. It was warranted, I'm sure anyone that has an education can see the merit in GOM's decision it's just PLAINLY obvious. When I see tons of responses crying foul, they seem to come from the reaction of children, not to say they are children. Just childish mindset, supporting Naniwa's amateur behavior.
How can any of you defend Naniwa, and still expect outsiders to see the legitimacy of SC2 as an e-Sport please tell me children, would this type of behavior ever be acceptable in any LEGITIMATE competition?? It's disrespectful plain and simple.
Thank you.
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People hating on gom just need to agree to disagree...
I think they did what was right in their position as a SC2 organization 100%.
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On December 15 2011 11:55 LighT. wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 11:48 teamsolid wrote:On December 15 2011 11:46 DeliCiousVP wrote:
Well now its official GOMTV looks down on foreigners, Who is more moneyhungry then Gom charging all the money in the world while having the "Free" view hours on the most inconvienent American hours? you think thats not intentional but maybe. This was an EMOTIONAL reaction from GOM.
Shame on you GOM be above the status quo. Yea, because if a Korean player pulled the same stunt, he wouldn't have gotten banned straight out from GSL... sigh First of all, you aren't following this issue quite informatively because naniwa isnt banned. He ended up being reconsidered a Code S sponsor spot which they were CONTEMPLATING On giving him. Naniwa WASNT a Code S player neither before or after the event... And he wouldn't have been banned from the GSL? Outside of the fact that he wasn't banned...That's your own personal opinion... So essentially what you're implying is that koreans are highly biased because of the fact that he's different nationalities.. Are you really bringing up the race card? You make me sick. Before you take that giant sigh, you might want to re-evaluate what post and what you want to say because this is the sort of posts which riles up people, ends up creating unnecessary drama in this forum. What you stated is such ignorant illogical/irrational comment...*shakes head*
.... I feel embarrassed for you that you never learned what sarcasm is.
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Wont buy your season, you over reacted, you did it in an unprofessional manner. You gave no room for apology or fixing. You treated it as if he had match-fixed.
Will likely buy next seasons GSL but this season, I vote with my dollars.
I dont think he was right but this isnt right either. Give him the chance to apologize and fix it, dont make angry mean twitters like a hurt girlfriend, save face.
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Okay, now that they clarified the "foreigner" Code S seeds given situation, I am not really angry at them anymore. I thought they had revoked Naniwa's Code S seed, but if under the new system, there is no direct MLG-GSL exchange anymore, but just 2 seeds given every year to the current best foreigners, I understand why Naniwa wouldn't be given a Code S seed. And he's not banned.
So all in all, pretty fair. Back when I thought Naniwa had his Code S seed taken from him, I thought that was a bit outrageous. But this is pretty fair.
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On December 15 2011 12:04 chinese_paladin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 12:03 deadmau wrote:
I dunno how these kids whining on TL didn't see this before, it was unprofessional & immature behavior, there was never a problem whatsoever with GOM's response. It was warranted, I'm sure anyone that has an education can see the merit in GOM's decision it's just PLAINLY obvious. When I see tons of responses crying foul, they seem to come from the reaction of children, not to say they are children. Just childish mindset, supporting Naniwa's amateur behavior.
How can any of you defend Naniwa, and still expect outsiders to see the legitimacy of SC2 as an e-Sport please tell me children, would this type of behavior ever be acceptable in any LEGITIMATE competition?? It's disrespectful plain and simple. Thank you.
what's childish is actually the assumption that anyone who opposes the gom decision necessarily likes naniwa or "supports" what he did. not everything that's disrespectful is against the rules, and some disrespectful things are awesome, like firebathero or magma (briefly)
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Probe rushing = controversial game with excessive drama
All-in half hearted cheese = shitty game, no drama
eSports has now grown. Progamers now know the correct way to throw a meaningless game. Thanks GSL and Naniwa!
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I just can't help but disagree with the punishment.
You have stated that what he has done wasn't against the rules but it only got you DISSAPOINTED; same as fans and other professional players. It was NOT against the rules therefore a punishment should not be necessary, the best you could've done was give him a warning. Please if you want to punish someone, add or change the rules.
Lemme also say this, how much worse is a cheese than a probe rush? As a personal fan I find that cheesing is a huge disapointment when Naniwa gets cheesed.
This is an unfair judgement, Naniwa is already under huge pressure and lost a lot of his fans, dissapointed his friends and his teammates.
And I find that your way of suddenly tricking the public on your promises very disrespectful, that ordeal is as bad as Naniwas action.
A rule judging how a player should play is not what this game is about.
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You can't make NFL references like with the Colts because teams rest players mostly so they don't get injured.
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I bought the first five GSL seasons but kind of stopped after it started to become a TvT fest.
Personally, I just bought a whole year's ticket in support of GOM's decision.
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