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waxypants
United States479 Posts
On December 15 2011 07:57 Chill wrote: Yea maybe. If you announce something it's assumed that it's continuing unless you cancel it or announce a modification. but but but.. it's their culture, don't be so ignorant! For real I guess GOMTV thinks we're just a bunch of dumbasses who will believe anything ... from reading this thread it looks like they're at least half right. | ||
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MapleFractal
Canada307 Posts
That's actually a pretty lame response, just like i expected it. They think they're 100% correct and only blame NaNiwa. Exactly, Id say almost typical of Korean community. Honestly GOM, your subpar services now combined with you in-ability to accept that this whole situation arose because you continue to POORLY plan your tournament formats. Keep it up and the world is going to lay rose peddles at the feet of Kespa as they enter the sc2 scene. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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chinese_paladin
China11 Posts
On December 15 2011 12:23 hmunkey wrote: Umm... a lot of what the OP just said goes against all their previous press releases and all of MLG's previous press releases on the matter. OP is literally lying. Can you systematically explain your post? It is extremely vague and will for now take it as a grain of salt. | ||
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niwhsa
United States50 Posts
Also, if you are to play in Asia, you have to understand their culture, not the other way around. Its absurd to say its unreasonable to expect professionals to behave in an appropriate manner when they are a guest at another country. Asian culture value respectful behavior which Naniwa did not display. Overall, I do not think that GOM over reacted but Naniwa should not be pursued like a witch either. Everyone makes mistake; he must learn from his mistake and make a better professional gamer out of himself. | ||
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Golgotha
Korea (South)8418 Posts
On December 15 2011 12:23 bobohobo wrote: GOM never released a statement saying that Naniwa got code S, it was always MLG that said it. People should stop crapping on GOM for what MLG said. We need to wait for MLG's official position on this matter to get the whole picture. It is entirely possible that there was miscommunication between GOM and MLG. Second, GOM released their new GSL format back in OCTOBER which clearly indicates two international seed invites. Nowhere does it mention the exchange program with MLG. In any case, I'm leaning towards GOM and MLG not communication this well enough to the community rather than GOM lying about it. lol you helpless fools. if Naniwa never really had Code S status, then why did GOM stealth change some of their previous announcements just hours ago? Huh? huh? Yeah I thought so. | ||
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CEPEHDREI
Germany1521 Posts
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Griffith`
714 Posts
completely idiotic - why not do this for zenio when he backhanded idra? why not complain when your own players BM? "This is not to be seen as a direct punishment resulting from the incident, the incident did however understandably have an influence on NaNiWa's position on the list of candidates." LOL? are you fucking with me? This IS direct punishment because you morons want to play god for fucks sake bring back KESPA User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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ellirc
Sweden3286 Posts
They admit he didn't break any rules and still strip him of the Code S-invite(which everyone including MLG thought was a seed). Reason given is that Nani is not a pro gamer in Gom's eyes. That is a serious WTF to me. They state that the two Code S 2012 invites will be based on "outstanding results in international tournaments". Idra and Sen has not been outstanding. They only invite them bacause they're popular players. I'm still very disappointed. | ||
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esaul17
Canada547 Posts
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J.E.G.
United States389 Posts
On December 15 2011 06:33 GOMTV wrote: Not only progamers, but professional athletes in every sports prove and showcase their skill through the game and by doing so entertain their fans. Since professional athletes do this for a living, competing in tournaments is a means to make money in order to sustain themselves. While money is an essential factor in a professional athlete’s life, it is the sincere competitive spirit that enables a mere athlete to become a professional athlete. This spirit entails the will to improve, work hard and try one's best no matter what. It also encompasses a mutual respect between those who share the title of professional athlete, which consequently leads to a certain code of professional conduct. It is this underlying competitive spirit, which goes beyond and is unrelated to any amount of prize money, of every professional athlete that touches and entertains many fans. We believe that the reason why so many people are such avid fans of baseball, soccer or e-sports has next to nothing to do with money. Korean e-sports fans generally share this understanding of the term 'professional athlete’ or in this case 'progamer', and might be less likely to tolerate a deviation from these core values compared to overseas communities. This argument is irrelevant and invalid, yet seems to be that basis of GOMtv's decision to eject Naniwa from the first Code S season of 2012. Athletes get paid significantly more money that pro-gamers and are not punished nearly as severely as Naniwa has been. Professional athletes get paid exponentially more money than any sc2 pro-gamer does (i say sc2 b/c Flash is balling out of control), not only because of their skill level, but also to appear professional in regards to the tremendous amount of media exposure they endure during both the season and off-season of said sport. Imagine being any player that has to go into the press room after a close loss to a rival and give a speech about why they lost, what it means for the team, do they suck now, etc. The reason these professional athletes can usually keep there cool and address the criticism being thrown into their face by reporters and fans is that they get paid millions of dollars to do it. It is not some unwritten rule that all professional athletes must be gentlemen and sportsmanlike... its in their contract to be so. Naniwa has earned $57,910. When one of these athletes loses there cool and goes off on a reporter, does something flagrant on the court/field, or publicly insults someone, the punishment comes in the form of a fine and some backlash from the media and fan base, which is essentially a slap on the wrist, and is totally ok. The athlete makes an apology, and life goes on. Only in the case of physically breaking the rules, such as a purposeful flagrant foul in basketball, or some illegal hits in football, do players get suspended from the actual game. Naniwa deserves a slap on the wrist for his brash behavior and nothing more. Taking away his chances at competing in Code S, which is now a multiple month long tournament, is like suspending an NBA player for half a season for cussing out a ref, except in this case Naniwa didn't cuss out anyone. He probe rushed to get out of a meaningless game. Unless it is expressly written out in a contract that for Naniwa to be eligible to win the amount of money being competed for in Blizzcup that he must be professional and play any meaningless games, even if its a result of going 0-3 in a tournament he has been training extremely hard for, he should not be revoked that chance based on conceding the game. As far as professionalism goes, GOMtv deciding to just now come out with some new rule about Code S being invite-only, and that Naniwa had not earned his Code S placement, but had rather been invited to participate, is very unprofessional and shows GOM, as a business, lacks transparency in the ways it deals with its players. If I were a korean player competing for spot on Code S, or if I felt I should've been invited to Blizzcup over Naniwa, I would be frustrated about Naniwa's decision making, sure, but I would be very skeptical of any future business dealings with GOMtv. | ||
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cskalias.pbe
United States293 Posts
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Romulox
United States125 Posts
On December 15 2011 12:36 esaul17 wrote: GOM switching the rules like this behind everyone's back seems far less professional than anything Naniwa did. sadly their emotional response blocked them from realizing how this would look to us (the foreign fans) | ||
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Griffith`
714 Posts
Kespa HWAITING~~~ | ||
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ExO_
United States2316 Posts
On December 15 2011 12:30 niwhsa wrote: I think GOM went easy on Naniwa. This is professional gaming, for professional. If Naniwa has a problem with the trounament, he should either work it out with GOM ahead of time or play like a professional or deal with it later. That is a professional way of dealing with it, not acting like kid and demanding everything go his way. Acting like that in the middle of the tournament is very disrespectful to GOM and Nestea too. Also, the sponsor and team is paying him to play games and entertain the masses. They do not pay him to entertain himself. A simple example would be working at a fast food restaurant; you are paid to work and make burger, but because Naniwa did not feel like it, he just stands next to grill, not even putting an effort. It was interesting to see that Quantic did not take any action but rather defended him (I personally have not read their statement, but noticed while reading threads), which in contrast to the Asian counterpart, personally took Coca out of Code S. Since Quantic did not step up, GOM had to. Also, I gained more respect for Boxer's and Slayer's leadership in the way they handled their situation. Also, if you are to play in Asia, you have to understand their culture, not the other way around. Its absurd to say its unreasonable to expect professionals to behave in an appropriate manner when they are a guest at another country. Asian culture value respectful behavior which Naniwa did not display. Overall, I do not think that GOM over reacted but Naniwa should not be pursued like a witch either. Everyone makes mistake; he must learn from his mistake and make a better professional gamer out of himself. You have got to be kidding me. You think not playing a meaningless match is comparable to not flipping burgers when you are hired as a burger flipper? This is clearly inaccurate, and biased. Also culture does not excuse you from bending rules. GOMtv promised a Code S spot, and is now trying to resend on that promise. Saying "you have to understand their culture" is not an excuse for what GOM is doing. Is it okay in Korean culture to lie and manipulate as long as the disrespectful are punished? I think not | ||
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DrakeFZX3
United States925 Posts
MLG is supposedly undergoing format changes as well as prize pool changes in SC2 for next year. Besides Gom admits Naniwa didn't outright break any explicit rules, but his conduct was unprofessional and the action was taken. | ||
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JoeSchmoe
Canada2058 Posts
On December 15 2011 12:30 Golgotha wrote: lol you helpless fools. if Naniwa never really had Code S status, then why did GOM stealth change some of their previous announcements just hours ago? Huh? huh? Yeah I thought so. stealth change what announcement? | ||
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DrakeFZX3
United States925 Posts
On December 15 2011 12:41 ExO_ wrote: You have got to be kidding me. You think not playing a meaningless match is comparable to not flipping burgers when you are hired as a burger flipper? This is clearly inaccurate, and biased. Also culture does not excuse you from bending rules. GOMtv promised a Code S spot, and is now trying to resend on that promise. Saying "you have to understand their culture" is not an excuse for what GOM is doing. Is it okay in Korean culture to lie and manipulate as long as the disrespectful are punished? I think not Uhh what? Gom was going to give Naniwa a Code S seed, but Naniwa threw a match that HE ADMITTED TO THROWING, and conducted himself in an unprofessional manner. Gom has every right to revoke the Code S because it's THEIR TOURNAMENT. Let it go. | ||
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diophan
United States1018 Posts
On December 15 2011 12:38 J.E.G. wrote: This argument is irrelevant and invalid, yet seems to be that basis of GOMtv's decision to eject Naniwa from the first Code S season of 2012. Athletes get paid significantly more money that pro-gamers and are not punished nearly as severely as Naniwa has been. Professional athletes get paid exponentially more money than any sc2 pro-gamer does (i say sc2 b/c Flash is balling out of control), not only because of their skill level, but also to appear professional in regards to the tremendous amount of media exposure they endure during both the season and off-season of said sport. Imagine being any player that has to go into the press room after a close loss to a rival and give a speech about why they lost, what it means for the team, do they suck now, etc. Explain to me exactly how much money someone has to be be paid to do what they're paid to do. Also cussing out a ref is not at all the same as throwing a game. | ||
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.Mystic
Canada486 Posts
On December 15 2011 12:41 ExO_ wrote: Also culture does not excuse you from bending rules. GOMtv promised a Code S spot, and is now trying to resend on that promise. Saying "you have to understand their culture" is not an excuse for what GOM is doing. Is it okay in Korean culture to lie and manipulate as long as the disrespectful are punished? I think not This guy for real? Read that sentence and think for a moment if that makes sense. Now before you type a reply stop and think again. Now when you think you have the answer, think again... Statement from gom and apology from naniwa, done deal. | ||
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