EPTGOMTV Announcement regarding NaNiWa - Page 58
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wikid
Sweden300 Posts
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diophan
United States1018 Posts
On December 15 2011 10:30 Hopelessnoob wrote: it is not that they were seeded. It is that they are paid to go there I was under the impression that MLG pays all of their seeded players to attend. In fact I'm almost sure someone before Providence mentioned this. Further since MVP was not put in the championship pool, I recall in the Quintic Gaming and IM partnership thread that one of QxG's contributions was they were paying for MVP and Nestea to attend Providence. On December 15 2011 10:31 tnud wrote: If you click on the link you'll find the following: Clearly stating they are a part of the exchange program, the same that SHOULD grant naniwa a Code S spot. Well at this point it's GOM's word against MLG's so I'm not taking what MLG says as gospel either. | ||
Kieofire
United States1809 Posts
On December 15 2011 10:29 diophan wrote: Weren't all 4 of those players already seeded into Providence because of their performance in previous MLGs? I feel like MLG isn't being completely honest about this either... Well MLG hasn't even released a statement to stop the confusion yet. | ||
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adeezy
United States1428 Posts
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JoeSchmoe
Canada2058 Posts
On December 15 2011 10:24 tnud wrote: Providence is the National Pro Circuit Finals, and 4 players were invited. http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/mc-mma-bomber-and-mvp-to-mlg-providence There is no reason why it should be excluded. GOM says: MLG will invite four Korean pro players to each Pro Circuit Live Competition. These players will be placed directly into the Championship Pools, one into each Pool. Their placement in the Pools will be determined by their GSL rank. All travel and accommodation expenses for these players will be provided by MLG." MLG invited the 4 koreans with the HIGHEST FINISH this year. the condition for seeding the players directly into the championship pool was never met. MVP came from the open bracket. As far as I'm concerned, this was a special invitation extended by MLG. | ||
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twndomn
401 Posts
On December 15 2011 10:25 _Depression wrote: Wait, GOM is trying to say that this latest incident was only part of the equation that gave Sen the spot over Naniwa? Let's see what both players accomplished: Naniwa: -MLG Dallas = 1st Place -MLG Global Invitational = 1st Place -HomeStory Cup III = 2nd Place -TSL 3 = 2nd Place Sen: -NASL Season 1 = 3rd Place -NASL Season 2 = 3rd Place -Blizzcon 2011 = 3rd Place -IPL4 Pacific Qualifiers = 3rd Place I have nothing against Sen, but Naniwa had much more impressive results this past year. For GOM to say that this latest incident wasn't a major factor in their giving Sen the Code S spot... it's almost amusing. Sen got BlizzCon 3rd place by defeating Naniwa; Naniwa got 4th. Sen again defeated Naniwa at IPL4 Pacific Qualifier. | ||
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NaldoR
Singapore2198 Posts
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rd
United States2586 Posts
On December 15 2011 10:29 jinorazi wrote: i agree. but certain behaviors will get you reactions such as this. i think naniwa brought this upon himself following his own way. sometimes, it isn't the best way. suicide bombers and crazy shooters are only displaying their frustration and/or following what they believe, but sometimes it just isn't allowed and it should be avoided at all cost. imagine what will happen if idra BM's the korean casters or mr.chae or something sensitive during a live game. maybe he really wants to express what he thinks to the world in a direct way, but do so expecting a consequence. Everyone agrees what he did was wrong. But we don't agree it was that big of a deal, like GOM is making it out to be. Not nearly enough to revoke a code s invite. | ||
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GodZo
Italy224 Posts
GOM: We wish NaNiWa all the best for his future endeavors as a progamer. FU? | ||
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coverpunch
United States2093 Posts
Although I wonder for Naniwa, how does he re-qualify for Code S? It's unfortunate that his best option is probably to go back to the US or EU and win tournaments again... | ||
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_Depression
United States251 Posts
On December 15 2011 10:33 twndomn wrote: Sen got BlizzCon 3rd place by defeating Naniwa; Naniwa got 4th. Sen again defeated Naniwa at IPL4 Pacific Qualifier. GOM's post says the 2 seeds are given based on "outstanding results in international tournaments." Even considering the fact that Sen beat Nani in both tournaments you mentioned, the overall results heavily favor Naniwa. | ||
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emc
United States3088 Posts
With that said, nani apologized as he did and I think gsl should accept that apology and move on. I just hope the next all-star type event doesn't have a broken format. | ||
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Tula
Austria1544 Posts
1) First respect to Lo3 and Naniwa for that discussion. I feel Scoots and Wheat did a very good job of looking at the issue from both angles, while cutting Naniwa some slack (which frankly he deserved after these 48h of shit). Also Naniwa seems to have learned the important lesson he needed to (look at the big picture instead of just yourselve). Also props to Quantic for sticking to him, even in this difficult situation. While i still think some punishment is merited, at least i can hope we won't have a similar situation in the future. 2) Someone mentioned that there needs to be clear cut rules regarding the seeding, which frankly i disagree with. Wildcards or Sponsor seeds are common in many sports, and i see nothing inherently wrong with them. Yes they are sometimes unfair, but so is life in general, as long as the number of seeds or invites is small compared to the number of "fixed" or "qualification" spots (whatever you want to call them) it is a decision the tournament organisers have to make themselves. Also it gives them more leeway regarding who they want to invite. Frankly the entire MLG exchange program had lackluster results in Korea. Almost everyone who got a code a place from it was drummed out immediatly or within 2 rounds. The top foreigners who "should" have taken the seeds often declined their spot which meant that we sometimes went down to rank 13? or lower? that really didn't make much sense in the end. The more "loose" seeds they seem to set up for next season means they can invite people from other tournaments as well (Dreamhack, IEM, NASL whatever they want basically) if they look as if they are up and coming. One thing that is clear though, is that someone high up from MLG needs to sit down with the Gom people and talk about this mess, because somewhere in the line there is an error of communication. Once that error has been found the guy responsible for it needs to man up and apologize just as Naniwa did. (Note i have absolutly no opinion on who made that mistake, it could be both for all i know). Also they probably should discuss what they want to do during the 2012 season soon, i am honestly surprised they did not already do so before Gom started annoucing stuff about the January tournament. | ||
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iamthedave
England2814 Posts
On December 15 2011 10:34 coverpunch wrote: Good statement, good decision. Reasonable minds can disagree, of course, but GOM made their position and reasoning quite clear. Although I wonder for Naniwa, how does he re-qualify for Code S? It's unfortunate that his best option is probably to go back to the US or EU and win tournaments again... The new Code A really isn't that bad. He should just play through a season and get to Code S. And if he can't get through Code A... should he really BE in Code S? I don't know, it seems backwards to me that all of a sudden the best way to get into the GSL is... not to play in the GSL? | ||
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Gov
United States121 Posts
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SuperNinja
Canada33 Posts
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ScareCrow`
Canada88 Posts
Folks, we're just becoming aware of the decision from GSL. We don't have all the facts yet and are investigating. Please stay tuned. Thanks, Lee Give it time. | ||
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Heaton31
United States323 Posts
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Deshkar
Singapore1244 Posts
On December 15 2011 10:24 tnud wrote: Providence is the National Pro Circuit Finals, and 4 players were invited. http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/mc-mma-bomber-and-mvp-to-mlg-providence There is no reason why it should be excluded. MLG invited them probably as they were all ex-winners, not really part of the exchange programme. | ||
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Trsjnica
United States477 Posts
I am pretty sure they simply wished Naniwa the best in the future, and said they held no grudge. So no, not an FU. | ||
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