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On December 15 2011 10:19 Flondra wrote:I feel like this has been posted already somewhere, but while reading the article I noticed this section "# At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows: * Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, regardless of country of origin, who doesn't already have Code S status." I'm not sure why providence, the most prestigious of all MLG events in 2011 would be excluded. Again, I don't know either why Gom would take so long to addess the issue with Naniwa's Code S spot. Surely they couldn't have missed it plastered everywhere on the internet that Naniwa earned a code S placement.
because providence is a national championship event? It is the only event which no koreans were invited by MLG as part of the MLG/GSL exchange program. now why would there be a code S spot given?
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On December 15 2011 10:16 gosu86 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 10:12 synaptik wrote:
amazing decision by gomtv. will be supporting you 100% Agreed This is not the first time Nani has stirred up controversy. I think he was really disrespect in the interview before the games. Saying how it was just another tournament etc... I don't see him lasting with that type of attitude and maybe that's why he switched teams again because of his attitude. Oh well maybe he will grow up one day. I support GOMTV 100 Percent on this!! Remember guys if it was a Korean player he would have been punished 100x worst.
2 wrongs dont make a right. I would still be very upset regardless of who it happend to.
If the rules arent satisfactory then learn from that and change them till next time.
-edit: spelling
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On December 15 2011 10:15 Mooneyes wrote:
On a side note i personally find no entertainment value in a match where nothing is on the line.
i take it you dont watch the pro-players ladder on their streams? i really wanted to see the naniwa-nestea matchup because of their history. shame it never happened.
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i would like to say.
Firstly has GOM ever explaied why a seed was invited? Why was MoonGlade (sorry i don't know how to capitalise his name -.-) given a seed? Why was haypro given a seed (IIRC). If they had never done it, why did they announce that NaNi did not get a seed and will not since he was supposed to be given a seed to code S. The announcement is not referring to this announcement, but speaking on the korean stream and tweeting it.
Also, the same point as everyone else, why did everyone ,other than GOM, think that he was getting Code S?
Lastly If NaNi did not probe rush, would be 100% get the seed? If he would, i would still consider this a punishment which was not warrented for and am disappointed at GOMTV for their decision.
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GOMTV say nothing new.
To make an example out of Naniwa, when many players in the past in GSL could of been 'banned' is PATHETIC by GOMTV.
GOMTV need to re-instate Naniwa's EARNT Code S place to have an credibility. If it doesn't it shows it has no consistency and is making scapegoat out of NAnaiwa which is even pathetic in itself.
I expected better from GOMTV, and I will not be buying anything until they can make some consistent decisions and clear outlines regarding player s and 'tanking' matches.
As for Naniwa/QxG 's apology, what did you expect ? Of course they HAVE TO play the GOMTV 'game' if they want to PARTICIPATE.
However, in reality, Naniwa is incharge of Naniwa, and players like this should be allowed to express their individuality rather than trying to aspire to some individual-less robot-like followers who bore you to tears.
As for those who think THEY know what is BEST for esports, please, have some respect for other people's views and stop trying to force yours on others. Others will make up their own minds just fine.
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On December 15 2011 10:21 JoeSchmoe wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 10:19 Flondra wrote:I feel like this has been posted already somewhere, but while reading the article I noticed this section "# At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows: * Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, regardless of country of origin, who doesn't already have Code S status." I'm not sure why providence, the most prestigious of all MLG events in 2011 would be excluded. Again, I don't know either why Gom would take so long to addess the issue with Naniwa's Code S spot. Surely they couldn't have missed it plastered everywhere on the internet that Naniwa earned a code S placement. because providence is a national championship event? It is the only event which no koreans were invited by MLG as part of the MLG/GSL exchange program. now why would there be a code S spot given?
Providence is the National Pro Circuit Finals, and 4 players were invited.
http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/mc-mma-bomber-and-mvp-to-mlg-providence
There is no reason why it should be excluded.
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I would think that everybody thought he had a seed because it was an MLG event where people usually got seeds. However, as JoeSchmoe said, MLG providence didn't have korean invites, and I assume wasn't part of the "EXCHANGE" program.
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On December 15 2011 10:07 PassiveAce wrote:
I appreciate that GOM does not want to set a bad precedent in regards to throwing games, but I think that cutting insignificant games should also be considered to reduce the odds of players being tempted, as well as because broadcasted games with nothing on the line are almost always mediocre at best.
Q4E
Nail on the head. 100 % the same feeling.
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Wait, GOM is trying to say that this latest incident was only part of the equation that gave Sen the spot over Naniwa? Let's see what both players accomplished:
Naniwa:
-MLG Dallas = 1st Place
-MLG Global Invitational = 1st Place
-HomeStory Cup III = 2nd Place
-TSL 3 = 2nd Place
Sen:
-NASL Season 1 = 3rd Place
-NASL Season 2 = 3rd Place
-Blizzcon 2011 = 3rd Place
-IPL4 Pacific Qualifiers = 3rd Place
I have nothing against Sen, but Naniwa had much more impressive results this past year. For GOM to say that this latest incident wasn't a major factor in their giving Sen the Code S spot... it's almost amusing.
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On December 15 2011 10:23 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 10:15 Mooneyes wrote:
On a side note i personally find no entertainment value in a match where nothing is on the line. i take it you dont watch the pro-players ladder on their streams? i really wanted to see the naniwa-nestea matchup because of their history. shame it never happened.
being a ladder hero is worth something too  so it's important to win games
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On December 15 2011 10:25 aTiMaGikL wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 10:07 PassiveAce wrote:
I appreciate that GOM does not want to set a bad precedent in regards to throwing games, but I think that cutting insignificant games should also be considered to reduce the odds of players being tempted, as well as because broadcasted games with nothing on the line are almost always mediocre at best. Q4E Nail on the head. 100 % the same feeling.
Than what about NASL???? If it doesn't matter why should they even show up to play?
LOL if that's the case, seriously how much games could people just drop because it didn't matter?
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On December 15 2011 10:23 Parcelleus wrote:
GOMTV say nothing new.
To make an example out of Naniwa, when many players in the past in GSL could of been 'banned' is PATHETIC by GOMTV.
There is NO other clearcut case of a player not making the slightest attempt to try and win a game. Some players have tried to win in a flashy or unorthodox way and ended up losing, but nothing anywhere near what Nani did.
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Bravo, GOM. Very well put.
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On December 15 2011 10:23 Parcelleus wrote:
GOMTV say nothing new.
To make an example out of Naniwa, when many players in the past in GSL could of been 'banned' is PATHETIC by GOMTV.
GOMTV need to re-instate Naniwa's EARNT Code S place to have an credibility. If it doesn't it shows it has no consistency and is making scapegoat out of NAnaiwa which is even pathetic in itself.
I expected better from GOMTV, and I will not be buying anything until they can make some consistent decisions and clear outlines regarding player s and 'tanking' matches.
As for Naniwa/QxG 's apology, what did you expect ? Of course they HAVE TO play the GOMTV 'game' if they want to PARTICIPATE.
However, in reality, Naniwa is incharge of Naniwa, and players like this should be allowed to express their individuality rather than trying to aspire to some individual-less robot-like followers who bore you to tears.
As for those who think THEY know what is BEST for esports, please, have some respect for other people's views and stop trying to force yours on others. Others will make up their own minds just fine.
i agree. but certain behaviors will get you reactions such as this. i think naniwa brought this upon himself following his own way. sometimes, it isn't the best way. suicide bombers and crazy shooters are only displaying their frustration and/or following what they believe, but sometimes it just isn't allowed and it should be avoided at all cost.
imagine what will happen if idra BM's the korean casters or mr.chae or something sensitive during a live game. maybe he really wants to express what he thinks to the world in a direct way, but do so expecting a consequence.
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On December 15 2011 10:27 gosu86 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 10:25 aTiMaGikL wrote:On December 15 2011 10:07 PassiveAce wrote:
I appreciate that GOM does not want to set a bad precedent in regards to throwing games, but I think that cutting insignificant games should also be considered to reduce the odds of players being tempted, as well as because broadcasted games with nothing on the line are almost always mediocre at best. Q4E Nail on the head. 100 % the same feeling. Than what about NASL???? If it doesn't matter why should they even show up to play? LOL if that's the case, seriously how much games could people just drop because it didn't matter?
It's fairly common at MLG events, Idra does not play consolation matches. (He did not at MLG Providence for example, after he lost on main stage and got knocked out of losers there was a match for I believe 7th place that he just did not play.)
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On December 15 2011 10:24 tnud wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 10:21 JoeSchmoe wrote:On December 15 2011 10:19 Flondra wrote:I feel like this has been posted already somewhere, but while reading the article I noticed this section "# At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows: * Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, regardless of country of origin, who doesn't already have Code S status." I'm not sure why providence, the most prestigious of all MLG events in 2011 would be excluded. Again, I don't know either why Gom would take so long to addess the issue with Naniwa's Code S spot. Surely they couldn't have missed it plastered everywhere on the internet that Naniwa earned a code S placement. because providence is a national championship event? It is the only event which no koreans were invited by MLG as part of the MLG/GSL exchange program. now why would there be a code S spot given? Providence is the National Pro Circuit Finals, and 4 players were invited. http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/mc-mma-bomber-and-mvp-to-mlg-providenceThere is no reason why it should be excluded.
Weren't all 4 of those players already seeded into Providence because of their performance in previous MLGs? I feel like MLG isn't being completely honest about this either...
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Thank you GOMTV for clarifying
Respect and honour!
Naniwa & GOMTV Fighting!
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On December 15 2011 10:29 diophan wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 10:24 tnud wrote:On December 15 2011 10:21 JoeSchmoe wrote:On December 15 2011 10:19 Flondra wrote:I feel like this has been posted already somewhere, but while reading the article I noticed this section "# At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows: * Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, regardless of country of origin, who doesn't already have Code S status." I'm not sure why providence, the most prestigious of all MLG events in 2011 would be excluded. Again, I don't know either why Gom would take so long to addess the issue with Naniwa's Code S spot. Surely they couldn't have missed it plastered everywhere on the internet that Naniwa earned a code S placement. because providence is a national championship event? It is the only event which no koreans were invited by MLG as part of the MLG/GSL exchange program. now why would there be a code S spot given? Providence is the National Pro Circuit Finals, and 4 players were invited. http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/mc-mma-bomber-and-mvp-to-mlg-providenceThere is no reason why it should be excluded. Weren't all 4 of those players already seeded into Providence because of their performance in previous MLGs? I feel like MLG isn't being completely honest about this either...
it is not that they were seeded. It is that they are paid to go there
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On December 15 2011 10:25 Manimal_pro wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 10:23 dAPhREAk wrote:On December 15 2011 10:15 Mooneyes wrote:
On a side note i personally find no entertainment value in a match where nothing is on the line. i take it you dont watch the pro-players ladder on their streams? i really wanted to see the naniwa-nestea matchup because of their history. shame it never happened. being a ladder hero is worth something too so it's important to win games
#1 ladder hero on NA -- Ostojiy sc2ranks.com
not applicable -- amount of money Ostojiy won on sc2earnings.com (he is not even on the board).
not worth much. ;-)
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On December 15 2011 10:29 diophan wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 10:24 tnud wrote:On December 15 2011 10:21 JoeSchmoe wrote:On December 15 2011 10:19 Flondra wrote:I feel like this has been posted already somewhere, but while reading the article I noticed this section "# At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows: * Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, regardless of country of origin, who doesn't already have Code S status." I'm not sure why providence, the most prestigious of all MLG events in 2011 would be excluded. Again, I don't know either why Gom would take so long to addess the issue with Naniwa's Code S spot. Surely they couldn't have missed it plastered everywhere on the internet that Naniwa earned a code S placement. because providence is a national championship event? It is the only event which no koreans were invited by MLG as part of the MLG/GSL exchange program. now why would there be a code S spot given? Providence is the National Pro Circuit Finals, and 4 players were invited. http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/mc-mma-bomber-and-mvp-to-mlg-providenceThere is no reason why it should be excluded. Weren't all 4 of those players already seeded into Providence because of their performance in previous MLGs? I feel like MLG isn't being completely honest about this either...
If you click on the link you'll find the following:
As the last Korean player standing in Orlando, MC has earned a League Exchange Invitation to Providence. Our four highest Korean finishers this year (three of whom were MLG Champions) will have their trips to the National Championships covered. Their bracket seeds will be based on the points they've earned in competitions this Season. Congratulations to MMA, MVP, Bomber, and MC on their accomplishments and we will see each of them in Providence fighting it out for the $50,000 first prize.
Clearly stating they are a part of the exchange program, the same that SHOULD grant naniwa a Code S spot.
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