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On December 15 2011 09:53 LXR wrote:
I like their decision.
On the note of meaningless games... most games are meaningless if you think about other entertainment. Even the worst teams in the NFL try their hardest in their games even though they know that they're not going to get into the playoffs. But the teams know that people are still counting on them to entertain (since that is their profession) so they still play.
Yes, but there are still more points to be made.
Like some players do stop competing when their team is playing like shit. It happens you can visibly see it on the field. The work ethic goes down and they put no effort into it.
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On December 15 2011 09:53 LXR wrote:
On the note of meaningless games... most games are meaningless if you think about other entertainment. Even the worst teams in the NFL try their hardest in their games even though they know that they're not going to get into the playoffs. But the teams know that people are still counting on them to entertain (since that is their profession) so they still play.
I lol'd so hard at this.
Go watch football before you make statements like this.
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On December 15 2011 09:53 m0ck wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 09:50 dAPhREAk wrote:On December 15 2011 09:48 m0ck wrote:On December 15 2011 09:42 dAPhREAk wrote:On December 15 2011 09:40 m0ck wrote:On December 15 2011 09:38 dAPhREAk wrote:On December 15 2011 09:35 Kieofire wrote:On December 15 2011 09:32 dAPhREAk wrote:
well, naniwa is saying he doesnt think GOM went back on its word re Code S.
edit: he is live on Live on Three right now talking about it. Because GOM never told him he got the seed while MLG said he did. well, based on what you are saying, then MLG screwed up, not GOM. You don't think GOM should have told Naniwa or his team or mlg or the community that they were all wrongly assuming that naniwa had a birth for code-S, if the story really is the way GOM is saying? it would have been nice if they had corrected the confusion back then. they have corrected the confusion now--assuming its just confusion. That's just not good enough. Naniwa established a base in Korea on the assumption that he had a birth for january code-S. His team supported him and their major business partner in USA was under the same assumption. Yet, somehow, they never get around to telling these people that actually he doesn't have the spot? Can you believe that is what happened? doesnt matter what i believe. naniwa said gom didnt go back on their word, and that it was apparently confusion created by mlg. note, he also went to korea for blizzcup, and he wanted to go anyways. look, i dont buy all this shit. i thought he had a code s spot. it was surprising to me when they said he didn't. but gom is saying that they never promised one, and naniwa isnt disagreeing, so, i feel no need to slash and burn.... Fair enough. To me, what GOM is doing is not owning up to their mistakes and instead spinning a story for the community in order to make their decision seem less severe. They took the decision of giving naniwas code S spot to someone else, they should be 'professional' enough to stand by it.
i would like answers too. but i want them from MLG. if MLG says GOM said he had a code s then you and i will go to the hardware store, buy some pitchforks and string up some gomtv execs. but until then . . . .
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On December 15 2011 09:46 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 09:43 tuho12345 wrote:On December 15 2011 09:21 tranmillitary wrote:
If he was that good, he wouldn't need to win a spot in Code S. He would make it through Code A.
Naniwa isn't that good. I don't know why people are so pissed off. He'll get knocked down to code A after the first week. then code B. MMA and DRG are forever code A. MC was code B before he won code S from MLG Orlando. SO know what you're saying pls I hope you're being sarcastic with this post. MMA is a two time GSL Code S finalist and Code S champion. MC is a 2 time Code S champion and a semifinalist in the Blizzard Cup. DRG is a GSTL champion a semifinalist of the Blizzard cup.
He is only saying they never battled their way through code A 
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Australia8532 Posts
On December 15 2011 09:48 dAPhREAk wrote:
naniwa is in full PR, apologetic mode on LO3. kind of boring. i want him to come out and say "fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, john the translator, you are cool, fuck you, im out"
he is doing some incredible damage control though... good for him.
If you know much about Naniwa you know that competition is the biggest motivation for him; he doesn't care about the fluff, winning is all he wants - losing a code S spot for him is a big, big, deal because it directly effects his chances of winning.
This whole Code S/MLG Exchange program is interesting; has MLG responded to this? Because i think this is where the whole confusion came from.
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Even if he did earn his code S spot through MLG, he lost his code S spot by acting like a spoiled piece of shit. So what if GOM dresses up the message in a nice little wrapper? Do you want them to say "Sorry, this guy is a tool and behaves like a 3 year old, and we won't have that in our competition. Unless he grows up, he's not welcome."
Because not only is that the truth, it's also expected that people behave according to certain standards. You're SUPPOSED to be polite about these messages. That's why it's dressed up the way it is, it's why quantic and nani apologized. And believe me, nani doesn't mean a thing. He wishes he'd played out a 4gate so he wouldn't suffer through the consequences that he is now, but he still doesn't see the point in giving a damn about that game, so "sorry" is definitely not something he's feeling.
He deserved this, and GOM did the right thing. Stop arguing semantics. If people want to participate in the GSL and get all the advantages and possibilities that come with that, we should be able to expect a certain code of conduct, but GOM most certainly should.
Unfortunately, this will get dragged out for another 200 pages. I'm off to bed instead.
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I hope GOMTV revoke their statements towards this, it just feels really strange they never objected against any statement MLG or others made stating Naniwa made the Code S seed for next season and now they announce it was just up for discussion between three players?
What?
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On December 15 2011 09:53 m0ck wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 09:50 dAPhREAk wrote:On December 15 2011 09:48 m0ck wrote:On December 15 2011 09:42 dAPhREAk wrote:On December 15 2011 09:40 m0ck wrote:On December 15 2011 09:38 dAPhREAk wrote:On December 15 2011 09:35 Kieofire wrote:On December 15 2011 09:32 dAPhREAk wrote:
well, naniwa is saying he doesnt think GOM went back on its word re Code S.
edit: he is live on Live on Three right now talking about it. Because GOM never told him he got the seed while MLG said he did. well, based on what you are saying, then MLG screwed up, not GOM. You don't think GOM should have told Naniwa or his team or mlg or the community that they were all wrongly assuming that naniwa had a birth for code-S, if the story really is the way GOM is saying? it would have been nice if they had corrected the confusion back then. they have corrected the confusion now--assuming its just confusion. That's just not good enough. Naniwa established a base in Korea on the assumption that he had a birth for january code-S. His team supported him and their major business partner in USA was under the same assumption. Yet, somehow, they never get around to telling these people that actually he doesn't have the spot? Can you believe that is what happened? doesnt matter what i believe. naniwa said gom didnt go back on their word, and that it was apparently confusion created by mlg. note, he also went to korea for blizzcup, and he wanted to go anyways. look, i dont buy all this shit. i thought he had a code s spot. it was surprising to me when they said he didn't. but gom is saying that they never promised one, and naniwa isnt disagreeing, so, i feel no need to slash and burn.... Fair enough. To me, what GOM is doing is not owning up to their mistakes and instead spinning a story for the community in order to make their decision seem less severe. They took the decision of giving naniwas code S spot to someone else, they should be 'professional' enough to stand by it.
basically you're going out of your way to spin this shit back on GOM because you're mad they disqualified Naniwa when you have no idea what actually happened or where the miscommunication occurred between GOM and MLG or who's at fault.
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On December 15 2011 09:56 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 09:53 m0ck wrote:On December 15 2011 09:50 dAPhREAk wrote:On December 15 2011 09:48 m0ck wrote:On December 15 2011 09:42 dAPhREAk wrote:On December 15 2011 09:40 m0ck wrote:On December 15 2011 09:38 dAPhREAk wrote:On December 15 2011 09:35 Kieofire wrote:On December 15 2011 09:32 dAPhREAk wrote:
well, naniwa is saying he doesnt think GOM went back on its word re Code S.
edit: he is live on Live on Three right now talking about it. Because GOM never told him he got the seed while MLG said he did. well, based on what you are saying, then MLG screwed up, not GOM. You don't think GOM should have told Naniwa or his team or mlg or the community that they were all wrongly assuming that naniwa had a birth for code-S, if the story really is the way GOM is saying? it would have been nice if they had corrected the confusion back then. they have corrected the confusion now--assuming its just confusion. That's just not good enough. Naniwa established a base in Korea on the assumption that he had a birth for january code-S. His team supported him and their major business partner in USA was under the same assumption. Yet, somehow, they never get around to telling these people that actually he doesn't have the spot? Can you believe that is what happened? doesnt matter what i believe. naniwa said gom didnt go back on their word, and that it was apparently confusion created by mlg. note, he also went to korea for blizzcup, and he wanted to go anyways. look, i dont buy all this shit. i thought he had a code s spot. it was surprising to me when they said he didn't. but gom is saying that they never promised one, and naniwa isnt disagreeing, so, i feel no need to slash and burn.... Fair enough. To me, what GOM is doing is not owning up to their mistakes and instead spinning a story for the community in order to make their decision seem less severe. They took the decision of giving naniwas code S spot to someone else, they should be 'professional' enough to stand by it. i would like answers too. but i want them from MLG. if MLG says GOM said he had a code s then you and i will go to the hardware store, buy some pitchforks and string up some gomtv execs. but until then . . . .
Aijt. I'm guessing we'll hear from them tomorrow, although I'm also pretty sure it'll be a diplomatic attempt at killing off the drama.
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On December 15 2011 09:59 bkrow wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 09:48 dAPhREAk wrote:
naniwa is in full PR, apologetic mode on LO3. kind of boring. i want him to come out and say "fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, john the translator, you are cool, fuck you, im out"
he is doing some incredible damage control though... good for him. If you know much about Naniwa you know that competition is the biggest motivation for him; he doesn't care about the fluff, winning is all he wants - losing a code S spot for him is a big, big, deal because it directly effects his chances of winning. This whole Code S/MLG Exchange program is interesting; has MLG responded to this? Because i think this is where the whole confusion came from.
Only statement from a guy who works for mlg I heard was from slasher: "I have no fucking idea"
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On December 15 2011 09:59 bkrow wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 09:48 dAPhREAk wrote:
naniwa is in full PR, apologetic mode on LO3. kind of boring. i want him to come out and say "fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, john the translator, you are cool, fuck you, im out"
he is doing some incredible damage control though... good for him. If you know much about Naniwa you know that competition is the biggest motivation for him; he doesn't care about the fluff, winning is all he wants - losing a code S spot for him is a big, big, deal because it directly effects his chances of winning. This whole Code S/MLG Exchange program is interesting; has MLG responded to this? Because i think this is where the whole confusion came from.
"its alright" =)
edit: the reference was to half-baked for those who didn't get it.
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Even if I dont believe the thing about him not winning the seed from MLG one bit (First non code s player), its still good to hear an announcement.
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Is the MLG Code S spot supposed to be given to players in the next GSL?
Because although Naniwa was celebrating his Code S spot right after Providence, there was a real possibility that Leenock could get the Code S spot (IF it was really expect to Providence give a Code S spot), because now players can fall from Code S to Code B...what if Leenock have fallen to Code B, would he get the Code S spot then? is this specificated anywhere?
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On December 15 2011 09:59 HoldenR wrote:
Even if he did earn his code S spot through MLG, he lost his code S spot by acting like a spoiled piece of shit. So what if GOM dresses up the message in a nice little wrapper?
Don't you feel naniwa put his forfeit into a nice little wrapper by not just saying he forfeited but just pulling his probes to attack Nestea?
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On December 15 2011 09:55 MasterBlasterCaster wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 09:53 LXR wrote:
On the note of meaningless games... most games are meaningless if you think about other entertainment. Even the worst teams in the NFL try their hardest in their games even though they know that they're not going to get into the playoffs. But the teams know that people are still counting on them to entertain (since that is their profession) so they still play. I lol'd so hard at this. Go watch football before you make statements like this.
Sure they may not play as hard, but they don't stand there like a fucking pylon and get run over. They actually show some effort because they respect the sport and the other team. This is called professionalism
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Naniwa is on Lo3 atm, btw.
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Thanks for clearing this up.
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On December 15 2011 09:59 bkrow wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 09:48 dAPhREAk wrote:
naniwa is in full PR, apologetic mode on LO3. kind of boring. i want him to come out and say "fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, john the translator, you are cool, fuck you, im out"
he is doing some incredible damage control though... good for him. If you know much about Naniwa you know that competition is the biggest motivation for him; he doesn't care about the fluff, winning is all he wants - losing a code S spot for him is a big, big, deal because it directly effects his chances of winning. This whole Code S/MLG Exchange program is interesting; has MLG responded to this? Because i think this is where the whole confusion came from.
I heard chobopeon and waxangel tried to address this on mlg-sponsored programs and were cut off either by producers or slasher.
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On December 15 2011 09:28 The Stapler wrote:
Naniwa is on Live on Three right now and just said himself that he thought he had a Code S spot after Providence
Thanks for the heads up, listening right now.
"LR"
- He thought he had a seed for Code S
- He had no idea why it was such a big deal
- After all this he realised that people wanted to see Nani vs Nestea rematch.
- Didn't realise what the koreans thought about it.
- I guess I will just have to accept what happened and try to requalify.
Do you feel like GOMs new statement
- GOM never said that they would give me a Code S seed, all other sourced did though. Neither MLG or GSL is going back on their word I'm very confused.
- SirScoots: Players are on both sides of this fence (Idra/Huk examples), the format is stupid. I wish they would have let you forfeit. Firm believer that every match should mean something. Naniwa was the guinea-pig, make every match mean something if it's going to be played. As the team guy he wants players to give it their all. "It's just not me and nestea anymore, it's his fans, it's my fans". (Note that because of this he got players into Code S, ofcourse he won't completely side with Naniwa). (He cleared this up, Idra was getting in anyways) Attacks GOM for vague rules. This would not have happened if there was a clear rule that matches should not be thrown. Takes up the notion that Naniwa is the bad guy, this probably would not have happened the same way with for example TLO.
- Naniwa did not ask to not play that match.
- Slasher, MLG (HOLY SHIT HE SHAVED, LOOKS 20 YEARS YOUNGER): I don't know shit. I don't represent anything.
- Wheat: Even if it is miscommunication, Naniwa is the victim.
- "When I realised how koreans see it I understand I fucked up. Their definition of progamer is different, it's not making a living of it, it's pride and honour and such".
- Nani (Regarding StarTale house): The Startale guys were never any problems. It was his first place in korea and it's were he feels at home. He got no problems with the Startale guys.
- TL:DR from Wheat: Now that Naniwa see it in the Korean perspective he shouldn't have done that.
Do you feel that you're still getting shit even though you've apologised?
- Nani I hope they can realise I did not think the same way as them. (Something about cultural difference) I hope that eventually they'll give me another shot.
- Nani: I missed the bigger picture.
- Slasher: He feels for Naniwa, he enjoys a proper fake match then a hidden one.
- Slasher hyping up the match and still doesn't find it that bad.
- Scoots: None of the matches are meaningless for the playing viewers. You did not "entertain".
- Slasher: It's frikking meaningless..
- MLG wouldn't have done anything, different culture.
- Wheat: Going forward how important is this thing going forward for "BM" players
- Nani: Not so much about the korean culture, I didn't think of anything then myself in that moment. An advice would always to think of the bigger picture.
- Scoots: Players need to think of it as a job, paid to play, paid to preform. Organizers should also look at themselves and avoid this situation. Naniwa has gotten a lot of shit lately, noone needs this amount in their life. Naniwa has sent a message with his actions.
- Wheat asks about Quantics reaction:
- Nani: Did not expect them to stand with him, he thought he was done. He would have quit if Quantic dumped him. They have been really supportive and will for sure repay them.
- Wheat: What do you value more walking away from this situation, what have you learned?
- Nani: Being a progamer is very fragile, I will never go 50%, I will always go 100% from here on.
- Scoots: You're all young people, you will grow stronger. Huk learned from his NASL thing. People need to give you slack, you don't have the paid staff to tell you how to act. People will keep stepping into shit, the scene is young. Let's move on.
- Wheat : Is the Naniwa going out of this a new Naniwa
- Nani: It's not like I'm trying to kill Esports, I didn't know what I was doing. Changed Naniwa? I don't know, I've learned.
- Scoots hoping for GOM to change too.
- Slasher hyping the first 3 games being really close, How close are you to the top?
- Nani: Nani saying he was kinda jetlagged, bad excuse, doesn't like bo1.
- Slasher: Do you think bo1 hurts you?
- Nani: It's ok in a group stage, but considering the status of the tournament they should have gone with bo3.
>>>Final questions<<<
- Wheat: Thinks nani has gained some fans, people are liking the reflection. How do you feel about your fans, what kind of emotional attachment do you have with them. Any words? Plans to interact more
- Nani: I have gotten a lot of shit for a lot of things. I thought it would be easier if I didn't think about it. It really warms my heart when I read nice comments on TL. I really want to make my country proud. I hope they will keep with me during all this.
- Scoots: Still has the support from the Swedish fans?
- Nani: Definitely.
- Scoots: Plans for the holiday?
- Nani: I don't have time to spare, no holidays. I will practise as hard as I can, I feel like I'm living on borrowed time.
- Slasher: Wow, don't feel that way, you're one of the 2 foreigners there.. Good luck in Code A!
Thanks
- Thanks to my fans and especially my team, did not expect them to keep with me.
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