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DRG is a GSTL champion a winner of the Blizzard cup.
Hold on to your horses there lol
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Well, people wanted drama from nestea vs naniwa. I guess all of those people posting so much hate about naniwa are happy...
I didn't really care about the Naniwa thing either way. I only had any reaction to it after reading GOM's response as seems full of hypocricy for a billion reasons. Reason's a ton of people have already pointed out.
Rules need to be clear.
You just changed the method to get seeded into Code S from something that players can aim for and fans can get hyped for, to something that SEEMS completely arbitrary. Sen got in because he won a Blizz.con Invite tournament? Why not the other players who did in other regions? Is it just a popularity contest now? Why should I ever care anymore?
I guess having Sen might get you a ton of viewers from Taiwan and China. That should be good for profits.
Atleast the backlash should be interesting when IdrA gets kicked out of Code S when he is too tired to play and forfeits (like at the IPL), or just rage GG's out... oh....
Edit: Also yeah, the format does need to be changed for tournaments so this doesn't happen.
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On December 15 2011 09:46 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 09:43 tuho12345 wrote:On December 15 2011 09:21 tranmillitary wrote:
If he was that good, he wouldn't need to win a spot in Code S. He would make it through Code A.
Naniwa isn't that good. I don't know why people are so pissed off. He'll get knocked down to code A after the first week. then code B. MMA and DRG are forever code A. MC was code B before he won code S from MLG Orlando. SO know what you're saying pls I hope you're being sarcastic with this post. MMA is a two time GSL Code S finalist and Code S champion. MC is a 2 time Code S champion and a semifinalist in the Blizzard Cup. DRG is a GSTL champion a winner of the Blizzard cup.
Believe he's implying that they never got into Code S the 'hard' way.
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this would be a wonderful statement only if it was clear that MLG exchange program awarded a code S spot, not a blizzard cup spot.
Can MLG please release a statement that they were incorrect in their articles? No more drama needed beyond that.
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On December 15 2011 09:47 dooraven wrote:Hold on to your horses there lol
yea my bad I meant to say semifinalist Nice catch.
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On December 15 2011 09:42 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 09:40 m0ck wrote:On December 15 2011 09:38 dAPhREAk wrote:On December 15 2011 09:35 Kieofire wrote:On December 15 2011 09:32 dAPhREAk wrote:
well, naniwa is saying he doesnt think GOM went back on its word re Code S.
edit: he is live on Live on Three right now talking about it. Because GOM never told him he got the seed while MLG said he did. well, based on what you are saying, then MLG screwed up, not GOM. You don't think GOM should have told Naniwa or his team or mlg or the community that they were all wrongly assuming that naniwa had a birth for code-S, if the story really is the way GOM is saying? it would have been nice if they had corrected the confusion back then. they have corrected the confusion now--assuming its just confusion.
That's just not good enough. Naniwa established a base in Korea on the assumption that he had a birth for january code-S. His team supported him and their major business partner in USA was under the same assumption. Yet, somehow, they never get around to telling these people that actually he doesn't have the spot? Can you believe that is what happened?
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naniwa is in full PR, apologetic mode on LO3. kind of boring. i want him to come out and say "fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, john the translator, you are cool, fuck you, im out"
he is doing some incredible damage control though... good for him.
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On December 15 2011 09:46 strongandbig wrote:
I will not be paying any money to Gom this year, nor will I be watching any videos on their site. If they think they can just be the big gorilla in the room and do things completely unilaterally like this, spontaneously punishing people without having any actual rules violated, then all I have to say is: I hope Blizzard sells the broadcasting rights to someone else in Korea in a year, and I will be telling Blizzard this.
I don't need to write "don't shit on the floor" in a rulebook for coming into my house to kick somebody out when they shit on my floor
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Yeah anyone remember his poor attitude in the interview? How he said oh well this is just another tournament doesn't really matter type of attitude.
Use to be a fan of nani but not no more. I lost all my respect for him. He's got too grow up.
He's lucky he didn't get ban btw
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On December 15 2011 09:48 dAPhREAk wrote:
naniwa is in full PR, apologetic mode on LO3. kind of boring. i want him to come out and say "fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, john the translator, you are cool, fuck you, im out"
he is doing some incredible damage control though... good for him.
Or he means it. Something like this CAN be a serious wake up call. We know he really cares about GSL.
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On December 15 2011 09:48 m0ck wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 09:42 dAPhREAk wrote:On December 15 2011 09:40 m0ck wrote:On December 15 2011 09:38 dAPhREAk wrote:On December 15 2011 09:35 Kieofire wrote:On December 15 2011 09:32 dAPhREAk wrote:
well, naniwa is saying he doesnt think GOM went back on its word re Code S.
edit: he is live on Live on Three right now talking about it. Because GOM never told him he got the seed while MLG said he did. well, based on what you are saying, then MLG screwed up, not GOM. You don't think GOM should have told Naniwa or his team or mlg or the community that they were all wrongly assuming that naniwa had a birth for code-S, if the story really is the way GOM is saying? it would have been nice if they had corrected the confusion back then. they have corrected the confusion now--assuming its just confusion. That's just not good enough. Naniwa established a base in Korea on the assumption that he had a birth for january code-S. His team supported him and their major business partner in USA was under the same assumption. Yet, somehow, they never get around to telling these people that actually he doesn't have the spot? Can you believe that is what happened?
doesnt matter what i believe. naniwa said gom didnt go back on their word, and that it was apparently confusion created by mlg. note, he also went to korea for blizzcup, and he wanted to go anyways.
look, i dont buy all this shit. i thought he had a code s spot. it was surprising to me when they said he didn't. but gom is saying that they never promised one, and naniwa isnt disagreeing, so, i feel no need to slash and burn....
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On December 15 2011 09:48 thatsundowner wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 09:46 strongandbig wrote:
I will not be paying any money to Gom this year, nor will I be watching any videos on their site. If they think they can just be the big gorilla in the room and do things completely unilaterally like this, spontaneously punishing people without having any actual rules violated, then all I have to say is: I hope Blizzard sells the broadcasting rights to someone else in Korea in a year, and I will be telling Blizzard this. I don't need to write "don't shit on the floor" in a rulebook for coming into my house to kick somebody out when they shit on my floor
Please stop using obviously bad hyperbole.
When exactly did Nani shit on anything except for a bullshit expectation? You can't get mad at someone for shitting on your floor if it's already covered in shit, can you?
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On December 15 2011 08:54 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 08:51 Frankon wrote:
Wasnt the GOM price for mlg providence a 2 slots in Blizzard cup compared to 1 for other tournaments?
Ps. To the people saying that GOM broke the contract. I'll ask you where are the 4 seeded koreans. Mlg didn't invite or seed any. Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 07:28 zeru wrote:So... Summary of code S spot: MLG invited and paid for 4 korean players to providence. http://pro.majorleaguegaming.com/news/mc-mma-bomber-and-mvp-to-mlg-providenceNaniwa officially won the code S spot by coming second according to all news posts and announcements and was never denied until...yesterday? + Show Spoiler +From MLG own site news: http://pro.majorleaguegaming.com/news/naniwas-ascension Ultimately he dropped the following four games, and despite not being crowned champion, Naniwa has presented one of the most captivating weeks imaginable, both in and out of the game. In the last week, Naniwa has rage quit of of a GSL match, flown half-way around the world, defeated the two most successful Korean Starcraft 2 players back-to-back, sparked a rivalry with Nestea, been the center of controversy in a rematch against Nestea, let a National Championship slip through his fingers and earned a seat in Code S. http://pro.majorleaguegaming.com/news/going-out-with-a-bang-mlg-providence-starcraft-2-recap Over the last few months, Naniwa has been training hard over in Korea to take his game to the next level, and his hard work appeared to pay off in Providence. The 2nd Place finish was good enough to earn him a Code S spot, so keep an eye on this MLG Champion as he goes toe-to-toe with the world's best during the offseason. http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/top-5-stories-from-mlg-providence Naniwa, however, stayed focused on his goal. Amidst swirls of tabloid drama and misguided quotes, Naniwa kept his concentration on the task at hand. When his turn to enter the bracket finally rolled around, the Swedish Protoss defeated Nestea for the second time that weekend, and followed the feat with wins over Huk and DongRaeGu. In the end Naniwa failed to seal the deal as he lost four straight games against Leenock in the Grand Finals, but appeared to be a man with a renewed determination and a refined playstyle. With the pedigree Naniwa displayed over the weekend, it's hard not to be excited about Naniwa's 2012 prospects in Code S and at Major League Gaming Events. http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/mlg-and-the-gsl-create-groundbreaking-player-exchange-program Pro Circuit Players Competing in the GSL At MLG Columbus, the Top 3 non-Korean finishers will each be placed into GSL Code A. At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows: Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, within the Top 3, regardless of country of origin, who does not already have Code S status. Code S status will not be awarded if all of the players placing 1st-3rd already have Code S Status. Code A status will be awarded to the next three highest placing non-Korean players. If Code S status is awarded to a Korean player, or not awarded at all, Code A status also will be awarded to the 4th highest placing non-Korean player. From Complexity, his team at the time: http://www.complexitygaming.com/news/3270/ Be sure to watch the GSL's Code S tournament as Naniwa secured himself a spot thanks to the MLG/GSL exchange program. http://esfiworld.com/sc2/news/naniwa-secures-top-3-finish-victory-over-huk Naniwa was able to secure a huge victory and guarantee at least a Top 3 finish in Providence. That placement will gives him a chance to secure Code S and continues the run of world class players that Naniwa has defeated over the course of the championship weekend in Providence. Edit: http://myeg.net/team/surprises-and-sadness-mlg-providence-day-3/ NaNiwa has finally reestablished himself firmly as one of the world’s top Protoss – and earned himself a Code S spot to boot. http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/nc8g6/naniwa_loses_code_s_spot/c37zdqgGOM now claims providence never actually was for a code S spot, basically breaking the agreement they had with MLG and try to cover it up with lies. also note that GOM NEVER makes announcements for the MLG code S winner. Man up and be honest GOM. This has to stop. Please inform yourself. Thx.
Thx. I based my statment on liquipedia - it didnt have koreans invites listed...
Btw. Another interesting fact. Mvp wasnt part of exchange program. He got free trip due to wining mlg global invitational korean qualifier which shouldnt be counted as gsl exchange program.
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The drama over this Naniwa incident it the worse thing to happen to SC2 in its history so far. If anyone's at fault its the tournament organizers for making pointless games. And to add insult to injury they get rid of Naniwas code S spot. Pathetic. Everyone go wine for another 10,000 pages. This was not a big deal until he lost his code S and most likely lost his code S spot because of such a big deal all these people are making over it.
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On December 15 2011 09:40 m0ck wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 09:38 dAPhREAk wrote:On December 15 2011 09:35 Kieofire wrote:On December 15 2011 09:32 dAPhREAk wrote:
well, naniwa is saying he doesnt think GOM went back on its word re Code S.
edit: he is live on Live on Three right now talking about it. Because GOM never told him he got the seed while MLG said he did. well, based on what you are saying, then MLG screwed up, not GOM. You don't think GOM should have told Naniwa or his team or mlg or the community that they were all wrongly assuming that naniwa had a birth for code-S, if the story really is the way GOM is saying?
I think the only guy from Gomtv who was in the loop about the whole Code S seeds who could have told us otherwise was John the translator. And I don't expect him to be following MLG scene that closely and listening to all the casters hyping up the imaginary coveted Code S prize. I am sure some MLG guys were aware when they discussed with Gomtv in the beginning of the year about connecting each MLG with a GSL season, but I guess either 1. providence wasn't discussed, it was still very far off in the future 2. Gomtv made it clear they could not fit a GSL Dec following Providence and the MLG guys forgot about it 3. Gomtv lied and they had intended Providence berth to extend into next year's Code S.
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In my eyes, Naniwa has to grow as a person to be able to use his full potential. Not only as a progamer. Even tho this might make him angry, I think it's a good lesson for him. If he accepts this lesson he will get stronger as a player and as a person.
I wish him all the best and hope he can overcome his immature behavior!
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I like their decision.
On the note of meaningless games... most games are meaningless if you think about other entertainment. Even the worst teams in the NFL try their hardest in their games even though they know that they're not going to get into the playoffs. But the teams know that people are still counting on them to entertain (since that is their profession) so they still play.
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On December 15 2011 09:50 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 09:48 m0ck wrote:On December 15 2011 09:42 dAPhREAk wrote:On December 15 2011 09:40 m0ck wrote:On December 15 2011 09:38 dAPhREAk wrote:On December 15 2011 09:35 Kieofire wrote:On December 15 2011 09:32 dAPhREAk wrote:
well, naniwa is saying he doesnt think GOM went back on its word re Code S.
edit: he is live on Live on Three right now talking about it. Because GOM never told him he got the seed while MLG said he did. well, based on what you are saying, then MLG screwed up, not GOM. You don't think GOM should have told Naniwa or his team or mlg or the community that they were all wrongly assuming that naniwa had a birth for code-S, if the story really is the way GOM is saying? it would have been nice if they had corrected the confusion back then. they have corrected the confusion now--assuming its just confusion. That's just not good enough. Naniwa established a base in Korea on the assumption that he had a birth for january code-S. His team supported him and their major business partner in USA was under the same assumption. Yet, somehow, they never get around to telling these people that actually he doesn't have the spot? Can you believe that is what happened? doesnt matter what i believe. naniwa said gom didnt go back on their word, and that it was apparently confusion created by mlg. note, he also went to korea for blizzcup, and he wanted to go anyways. look, i dont buy all this shit. i thought he had a code s spot. it was surprising to me when they said he didn't. but gom is saying that they never promised one, and naniwa isnt disagreeing, so, i feel no need to slash and burn....
Fair enough. To me, what GOM is doing is not owning up to their mistakes and instead spinning a story for the community in order to make their decision seem less severe. They took the decision of giving naniwas code S spot to someone else, they should be 'professional' enough to stand by it.
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On December 15 2011 09:44 darkness wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 09:40 N1k0 wrote:
Gom is full of shit, and this is a great example why a Starcraft 2 Players Association is needed. Indeed. Go go KeSPA v2.0 ^^
KeSPA isn't Korean e-Sports Players Association, it's Korean e-SPorts Association (if I recall this common error correctly). This is why we've as a group so often criticized KeSPA's actions as being against the interests of players (e.g. FA slavery).
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On December 15 2011 09:41 W2 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 09:17 Paladia wrote:On December 15 2011 08:46 Kazeyonoma wrote:On December 15 2011 08:42 eYeball wrote:On December 15 2011 08:37 dp wrote:
I find it funny so many people say GOMTV is lying. Any of you people care to show a single announcement from GOMTV that nani was being given a code S spot? Anyone at all? Don't worry, I will wait.. Another user posted this: On December 15 2011 08:19 Paladia wrote:On December 15 2011 06:33 GOMTV wrote:It seems like a lot of people have been under the impression that NaNiWa has received a Code S seed for taking 2nd place at MLG Providence. The truth however is that NaNiWa has received the right to compete in the Blizzard Cup for his 2nd place achievement at MLG Providence. Gom, why are you making this up? 1. Why were the two seeds called "INTERNATIONAL SEED" and the other one "MLG PROVIDENCE CODE S SEED" on your official website (which you in stealth changed today)? 2. Why did your own twitter comment say that you revoked his Code S seed (which you also, deleted today)? 3. Why was it announced on your official partners website that Naniwa has .. earned a seat in Code S? 4. And why does it say on your official website when you announced the partner program still (not had time to change that one yet, had you?) say that: At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows:
Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, regardless of country of origin, who doesn't already have Code S status.What you are doing right now is much much worse than what Naniwa could ever do or any player has ever done in the history of Starcraft 2. You are falsely removing the prize of a tournament several months after the tournament has happened and trying to delete all evidence of it. This is worse than those tournaments who don't pay the prize money, as at least they acknowledge the fact that there is a prize. I really expected that your so called "honor" would be more than this. Removing one of the major prizes of a tournament, lying, deleting threads, in secret altering your own statements, I think all GomTV has built up was just thrown down the drain and I honestly wish that no player would ever have anything more to do with you. I don't see how you dare talk about "honor" or professionalism. Stop quoting Paladia, nothing in his post is truth, he has nothing to back this, no sources, and the question you were referring to asked for PROOF THAT NANIWA GOT AWARDED CODE S by official GOM SOURCES. nothing you quoted, answers that. Not sure why you are bashing anyone posting proof against GOM. You can even visit the site yourself at this very second and confirm it: http://www.gomtv.net/2011gslsponsors3/news/65291At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows:
Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, regardless of country of origin, who doesn't already have Code S status.So lets check what the requirement for winning a code S spot in MLG is according to GOMTV's official website. The tournament has to be in has to be in 2011. Check. Pro Circuit Live Competition. Check. After MLG Columbus. Check. Highest placing player, regardless of country of origin, who doesn't already have Code S status. Leenok was first and he is already in Code S, Naniwa was second. Check. So please inform us, just based on this piece alone, which is the official word from GOMTV when they announced the prize, wouldn't they give out the prize as they've promised? Do you generally defend tournaments who do not give out their announced prizes or is it just gomtv for some reason? Every GSL was lined up with an MLG, so the winner of MLG gets to play Code S right after. It seems like MLG providence was never part of the deal because there was no Code S season after it, there was no seeded group play/Korean GSL seeds, and the format was different.
According to their own announcement it is part of it. Would you defend MLG if they all of a sudden said that they won't pay out the prize money they announced, or is it just some tournaments you think shouldn't stand by their announced prizes?
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