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ducethrower
Profile Joined December 2011
United States21 Posts
December 15 2011 00:39 GMT
#1041
This sucks for naniwa but great for Idra
Blacktion
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom1148 Posts
December 15 2011 00:39 GMT
#1042
On December 15 2011 09:26 Robut wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 09:17 Blacktion wrote:
On December 15 2011 09:12 eYeball wrote:
On December 15 2011 09:10 Blacktion wrote:
Pro Circuit Players Competing in the GSL

At MLG Columbus, the Top 3 non-Korean finishers will each be placed into GSL Code A.

At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows:

Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, regardless of country of origin, who doesn't already have Code S status.

Code A status will be awarded to the next 3 highest placing non-Korean players.

If Code S status is awarded to a Korean player, Code A status also will be awarded to the 4th highest placing non-Korean player.

All travel and accommodation expenses for these players will be provided by the GSL.

GSL Pro Players Competing on the MLG Pro Circuit


MLG will invite four Korean pro players to each Pro Circuit Live Competition.

These players will be placed directly into the Championship Pools, one into each Pool.

Their placement in the Pools will be determined by their GSL rank.

All travel and accommodation expenses for these players will be provided by MLG.

For MLG Columbus, we will also be inviting the winner of the CSN tournament, currently in progress. This player will be seeded into the Open Bracket, and their travel and accommodation expenses will be covered by CSN.

From http://www.gomtv.net/2011gslsponsors3/news/65291
As i understand it, no Korean pros were invited to providence based on GSL rank, all the invites to providence were entirely based on points accumulated at previous MLG events.
If the GSL to MLG transfers didnt apply for the providence event is it not logical that the reverse is true, that there wasnt a GSL code S slot available.
Unless im very much mistaken, and im ready to be proven wrong, it seems like this whole thing has been a communication problem that people are blowing way out of proportion.


MLG paid for 4 koreans to come to MLG Providience.

Yes but the seeds were based on MLG not GSL performance.
The fact that MLG paid for travel ect does not mean it was part of the exchange program. I cant say this is the way it works for MLG because Im not sure but GOM pays for and puts up foreigners when they compete in Code B/A/S, completely separate from the MLG-GSL exchange program.



As the last Korean player standing in Orlando, MC has earned a League Exchange Invitation to Providence. Our four highest Korean finishers this year (three of whom were MLG Champions) will have their trips to the National Championships covered. Their bracket seeds will be based on the points they've earned in competitions this Season. Congratulations to MMA, MVP, Bomber, and MC on their accomplishments and we will see each of them in Providence fighting it out for the $50,000 first prize

Completely seperate from the exchange program did you say?

If your going to quote something you should give a source so people can ready the article. MC was the eighth highest player in points earned at MLG events, as can be seen here: http://pro.majorleaguegaming.com/competitions/25#event_54_top_16_and_competitor_list
This means he qualified for MLG providence without any exchange program, as the top 16 players in MLG scores were given a place in the championship bracket at providence.
Where's Boxer, there's victory! - figq
Kieofire
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1809 Posts
December 15 2011 00:39 GMT
#1043
On December 15 2011 09:38 m0ck wrote:
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On December 15 2011 09:35 Kieofire wrote:
On December 15 2011 09:32 dAPhREAk wrote:
well, naniwa is saying he doesnt think GOM went back on its word re Code S.

edit: he is live on Live on Three right now talking about it.


Because GOM never told him he got the seed while MLG said he did.

And more importantly, they never corrected the belief until the day after the nestea vs naniwa match


Yeah set up a huge miscommunication between them which is what is leading to this whole argument.
N1k0
Profile Joined June 2011
Uruguay1075 Posts
December 15 2011 00:40 GMT
#1044
Gom is full of shit, and this is a great example why a Starcraft 2 Players Association is needed.

User was warned for this post
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
December 15 2011 00:40 GMT
#1045
On December 15 2011 09:39 ducethrower wrote:
This sucks for naniwa but great for Idra

and sen. w0ot w0ot. going to be fun to see them
m0ck
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
4194 Posts
December 15 2011 00:40 GMT
#1046
On December 15 2011 09:38 dAPhREAk wrote:
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On December 15 2011 09:35 Kieofire wrote:
On December 15 2011 09:32 dAPhREAk wrote:
well, naniwa is saying he doesnt think GOM went back on its word re Code S.

edit: he is live on Live on Three right now talking about it.


Because GOM never told him he got the seed while MLG said he did.

well, based on what you are saying, then MLG screwed up, not GOM.

You don't think GOM should have told Naniwa or his team or mlg or the community that they were all wrongly assuming that naniwa had a birth for code-S, if the story really is the way GOM is saying?
W2
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States1177 Posts
December 15 2011 00:41 GMT
#1047
On December 15 2011 09:17 Paladia wrote:
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On December 15 2011 08:46 Kazeyonoma wrote:
On December 15 2011 08:42 eYeball wrote:
On December 15 2011 08:37 dp wrote:
I find it funny so many people say GOMTV is lying. Any of you people care to show a single announcement from GOMTV that nani was being given a code S spot? Anyone at all? Don't worry, I will wait..


Another user posted this:


On December 15 2011 08:19 Paladia wrote:
On December 15 2011 06:33 GOMTV wrote:It seems like a lot of people have been under the impression that NaNiWa has received a Code S seed for taking 2nd place at MLG Providence. The truth however is that NaNiWa has received the right to compete in the Blizzard Cup for his 2nd place achievement at MLG Providence.

Gom, why are you making this up?

1. Why were the two seeds called "INTERNATIONAL SEED" and the other one "MLG PROVIDENCE CODE S SEED" on your official website (which you in stealth changed today)?
2. Why did your own twitter comment say that you revoked his Code S seed (which you also, deleted today)?
3. Why was it announced on your official partners website that Naniwa has .. earned a seat in Code S?
4. And why does it say on your official website when you announced the partner program still (not had time to change that one yet, had you?) say that:

At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows:

Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, regardless of country of origin, who doesn't already have Code S status.


What you are doing right now is much much worse than what Naniwa could ever do or any player has ever done in the history of Starcraft 2. You are falsely removing the prize of a tournament several months after the tournament has happened and trying to delete all evidence of it. This is worse than those tournaments who don't pay the prize money, as at least they acknowledge the fact that there is a prize.

I really expected that your so called "honor" would be more than this. Removing one of the major prizes of a tournament, lying, deleting threads, in secret altering your own statements, I think all GomTV has built up was just thrown down the drain and I honestly wish that no player would ever have anything more to do with you. I don't see how you dare talk about "honor" or professionalism.



Stop quoting Paladia, nothing in his post is truth, he has nothing to back this, no sources, and the question you were referring to asked for PROOF THAT NANIWA GOT AWARDED CODE S by official GOM SOURCES. nothing you quoted, answers that.

Not sure why you are bashing anyone posting proof against GOM. You can even visit the site yourself at this very second and confirm it: http://www.gomtv.net/2011gslsponsors3/news/65291

At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows:
Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, regardless of country of origin, who doesn't already have Code S status.


So lets check what the requirement for winning a code S spot in MLG is according to GOMTV's official website.

The tournament has to be in has to be in 2011. Check.
Pro Circuit Live Competition. Check.
After MLG Columbus. Check.
Highest placing player, regardless of country of origin, who doesn't already have Code S status. Leenok was first and he is already in Code S, Naniwa was second. Check.

So please inform us, just based on this piece alone, which is the official word from GOMTV when they announced the prize, wouldn't they give out the prize as they've promised?

Do you generally defend tournaments who do not give out their announced prizes or is it just gomtv for some reason?


Every GSL was lined up with an MLG, so the winner of MLG gets to play Code S right after. It seems like MLG providence was never part of the deal because there was no Code S season after it, there was no seeded group play/Korean GSL seeds, and the format was different. You can believe otherwise, and you are welcome to do so, but so far it seems you are just nitpicking at tiny semantics. Let's look at Instinct, Halo champions of MLG.

The tournament has to be in has to be in 2011. Check.
Pro Circuit Live Competition. Check.
After MLG Columbus. Check.
Highest placing player, regardless of country of origin, who doesn't already have Code S status. Yeah they placed #1 and don't have Code S status. Check.
Hi
OMGKEI
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia590 Posts
December 15 2011 00:42 GMT
#1048
So GOM takes no blame whatsoever and only now decides to announce after mlg for a whole month when the whole world thought naniwa had earned a code s spot that he didnt and proceeds to cover their ass as much as possible?
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
December 15 2011 00:42 GMT
#1049
On December 15 2011 09:40 m0ck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 09:38 dAPhREAk wrote:
On December 15 2011 09:35 Kieofire wrote:
On December 15 2011 09:32 dAPhREAk wrote:
well, naniwa is saying he doesnt think GOM went back on its word re Code S.

edit: he is live on Live on Three right now talking about it.


Because GOM never told him he got the seed while MLG said he did.

well, based on what you are saying, then MLG screwed up, not GOM.

You don't think GOM should have told Naniwa or his team or mlg or the community that they were all wrongly assuming that naniwa had a birth for code-S, if the story really is the way GOM is saying?

it would have been nice if they had corrected the confusion back then. they have corrected the confusion now--assuming its just confusion.
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-15 00:43:19
December 15 2011 00:42 GMT
#1050
The only thing GOM did wrong was believe that naniwa was going to be a sensible professional player in that situation.
xBillehx
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States1289 Posts
December 15 2011 00:43 GMT
#1051
Naniwa just said on Lo3 he never tried to officially forfit and tell GOM beforehand so he wasn't forced to play the game.
Taengoo ♥
tuho12345
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
4482 Posts
December 15 2011 00:43 GMT
#1052
On December 15 2011 09:21 tranmillitary wrote:
If he was that good, he wouldn't need to win a spot in Code S. He would make it through Code A.

Naniwa isn't that good. I don't know why people are so pissed off. He'll get knocked down to code A after the first week. then code B.

MMA and DRG are forever code A. MC was code B before he won code S from MLG Orlando. SO know what you're saying pls
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16124 Posts
December 15 2011 00:44 GMT
#1053
What we would like to ask from all of the GSL fans is to not simply see this incident as just a simple meaningless single game between NaNiWa and NesTea. The act of purposefully losing a match, whatever the underlying reasons may be, does always also have a psychological effect on the other players. By tolerating such behavior, purposefully losing might be deemed as a legitimate action and we might see more of such matches in the future, which is something that surely neither the fans nor the players would appreciate.


Well said.

aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
SafeAsCheese
Profile Joined June 2011
United States4924 Posts
December 15 2011 00:44 GMT
#1054
On December 15 2011 09:39 ducethrower wrote:
This sucks for naniwa but great for Idra


I was under the impression that idra was getting a spot regardless of this happening, and it was Sen who got naniwa's spot?
Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
December 15 2011 00:44 GMT
#1055
On December 15 2011 09:40 N1k0 wrote:
Gom is full of shit, and this is a great example why a Starcraft 2 Players Association is needed.


Indeed. Go go KeSPA v2.0 ^^
JoeSchmoe
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2058 Posts
December 15 2011 00:44 GMT
#1056
On December 15 2011 09:43 xBillehx wrote:
Naniwa just said on Lo3 he never tried to officially forfit and tell GOM beforehand so he wasn't forced to play the game.


nonono but everyone on the forum knows better and making shit up is the best way to ridicule gom for disqualifying their favorite player.
The Stapler
Profile Joined August 2010
United States326 Posts
December 15 2011 00:44 GMT
#1057
On December 15 2011 09:43 xBillehx wrote:
Naniwa just said on Lo3 he never tried to officially forfit and tell GOM beforehand so he wasn't forced to play the game.



no..he just said he never asked anyone if he had to play the game
o[twist]
Profile Joined May 2008
United States4903 Posts
December 15 2011 00:45 GMT
#1058
On December 15 2011 09:44 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
What we would like to ask from all of the GSL fans is to not simply see this incident as just a simple meaningless single game between NaNiWa and NesTea. The act of purposefully losing a match, whatever the underlying reasons may be, does always also have a psychological effect on the other players. By tolerating such behavior, purposefully losing might be deemed as a legitimate action and we might see more of such matches in the future, which is something that surely neither the fans nor the players would appreciate.


Well said.



the best way to legitimately be intolerant of certain actions is to have rules against them.
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16124 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-15 00:47:58
December 15 2011 00:46 GMT
#1059
On December 15 2011 09:43 tuho12345 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 09:21 tranmillitary wrote:
If he was that good, he wouldn't need to win a spot in Code S. He would make it through Code A.

Naniwa isn't that good. I don't know why people are so pissed off. He'll get knocked down to code A after the first week. then code B.

MMA and DRG are forever code A. MC was code B before he won code S from MLG Orlando. SO know what you're saying pls


I hope you're being sarcastic with this post.

MMA is a two time GSL Code S finalist and Code S champion.

MC is a 2 time Code S champion and a semifinalist in the Blizzard Cup.

DRG is a GSTL champion a semifinalist of the Blizzard cup.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
December 15 2011 00:46 GMT
#1060
I will not be paying any money to Gom this year, nor will I be watching any videos on their site. If they think they can just be the big gorilla in the room and do things completely unilaterally like this, spontaneously punishing people without having any actual rules violated, then all I have to say is: I hope Blizzard sells the broadcasting rights to someone else in Korea in a year, and I will be telling Blizzard this.
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