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In that case, GOMTV, please explain this, from here.
http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/mlg-and-the-gsl-create-groundbreaking-player-exchange-program
Pro Circuit Players Competing in the GSL
- At MLG Columbus, the Top 3 non-Korean finishers will each be placed into GSL Code A.
- At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows:
- Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, within the Top 3, regardless of country of origin, who does not already have Code S status.
- Code S status will not be awarded if all of the players placing 1st-3rd already have Code S Status.
- Code A status will be awarded to the next three highest placing non-Korean players.
- If Code S status is awarded to a Korean player, or not awarded at all, Code A status also will be awarded to the 4th highest placing non-Korean player.
- All travel and accomodation expenses for these players will be provided by the GSL.
Providence 2011 was a Pro Circuit event, and your "explanation" basically crapped all over MLG's League Exchange Program.
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So well spoken GOM I will always love you.
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On December 15 2011 09:23 Fubi wrote:
Perfectly just decision, and well deserved punishment for Naniwa. Westerners really need to start taking this game as an actual sport rather than a WWE-type of entertainment if they really want to catch up tot he Koreans.
That's why the punishment is excessive, if you were to treat this competition as an actual sport. Shockingly, actual sport would never levy this type of punishment without inconsequential warning as a precedent.
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On December 15 2011 09:25 JesusOurSaviour wrote:
Well done Mr Chae. This, Teamliquid netizens, is how you write a professional statement.
To all the blind fanboys / haters, time to watch some GSL and enjoy the highest level of competition. :D
It's obvious that you don't know all the new facts that have surfaced, a looooot has happened since OP's post.
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On December 15 2011 09:24 Eineez wrote:
why wasn't this statement presented like 15 hours ago, as a first and last statement? instead of shitting on naniwa in korean on stream live?
when did that happen? I heard that was misunderstanding and the guy who translated orignialy apologized for his mistake
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On December 15 2011 09:23 JiPrime wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 09:21 iamthedave wrote:On December 15 2011 09:17 tnud wrote:On December 15 2011 09:16 KristofferAG wrote:
Thanks for the official statement. I agree whole-heartedly, this really isn't that bad of a punishment, it's more of a wake-up-call for NaNiWa IMO. He's getting kicked out of the finest tournament on a bullshit reason. They changed the reason and updated some texts and now it's even worse. It's not a "wake up" call for Naniwa, it's the frikking GSL. You don't just walk in a qualify for it. OGSFin did. The funny thing is everyone's so angry about what would have likely been Naniwa getting beaten out of Code S in the first round anyway. Isn't he 0-10 in televised GSL matches now? What the hell are you talking about? oGsFin made through the qualifiers in Code B and then Code A legitimately.
Was referring to 'you don't just walk in and qualify for it'. No need to be so aggressive. Drink some tea Calm down.
My point is that Naniwa - if he's truly Code S level - will get in there next time he's in GSL. They didn't ban him, they just took away the red carpet and Super Mario-style level skip. This is just a set back.
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On December 15 2011 09:21 iamthedave wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 09:17 tnud wrote:On December 15 2011 09:16 KristofferAG wrote:
Thanks for the official statement. I agree whole-heartedly, this really isn't that bad of a punishment, it's more of a wake-up-call for NaNiWa IMO. He's getting kicked out of the finest tournament on a bullshit reason. They changed the reason and updated some texts and now it's even worse. It's not a "wake up" call for Naniwa, it's the frikking GSL. You don't just walk in a qualify for it. OGSFin did. The funny thing is everyone's so angry about what would have likely been Naniwa getting beaten out of Code S in the first round anyway. Isn't he 0-10 in televised GSL matches now?
100% irrelevant, and if Naniwa's recent results don't tell you he's good then I don't know what to say.
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On December 15 2011 09:25 hmsrenown wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 09:23 Fubi wrote:
Perfectly just decision, and well deserved punishment for Naniwa. Westerners really need to start taking this game as an actual sport rather than a WWE-type of entertainment if they really want to catch up tot he Koreans. That's why the punishment is excessive, if you were to treat this competition as an actual sport. Shockingly, actual sport would never levy this type of punishment without inconsequential warning as a precedent.
Most would just fine them, completely kicking them out of a league for a season is insane.
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cant blame GomTV for being harsh, it's better for them to err on harshness rather than leniency. If they had been too lenient, the fans would have been out for blood, because nobody wants to watch games thrown at any broadcast level. Rather, Naniwa can get his sympathies from his fans, which would make the foundations for a really cool comeback story if we see him in Code S again.
kinda makes me think of the bigman train thread, now that i think about it =p
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On December 15 2011 09:17 Blacktion wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 09:12 eYeball wrote:On December 15 2011 09:10 Blacktion wrote:Pro Circuit Players Competing in the GSL
At MLG Columbus, the Top 3 non-Korean finishers will each be placed into GSL Code A.
At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows:
Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, regardless of country of origin, who doesn't already have Code S status.
Code A status will be awarded to the next 3 highest placing non-Korean players.
If Code S status is awarded to a Korean player, Code A status also will be awarded to the 4th highest placing non-Korean player.
All travel and accommodation expenses for these players will be provided by the GSL.
GSL Pro Players Competing on the MLG Pro Circuit
MLG will invite four Korean pro players to each Pro Circuit Live Competition.
These players will be placed directly into the Championship Pools, one into each Pool.
Their placement in the Pools will be determined by their GSL rank.
All travel and accommodation expenses for these players will be provided by MLG.
For MLG Columbus, we will also be inviting the winner of the CSN tournament, currently in progress. This player will be seeded into the Open Bracket, and their travel and accommodation expenses will be covered by CSN. From http://www.gomtv.net/2011gslsponsors3/news/65291As i understand it, no Korean pros were invited to providence based on GSL rank, all the invites to providence were entirely based on points accumulated at previous MLG events. If the GSL to MLG transfers didnt apply for the providence event is it not logical that the reverse is true, that there wasnt a GSL code S slot available. Unless im very much mistaken, and im ready to be proven wrong, it seems like this whole thing has been a communication problem that people are blowing way out of proportion. MLG paid for 4 koreans to come to MLG Providience. Yes but the seeds were based on MLG not GSL performance. The fact that MLG paid for travel ect does not mean it was part of the exchange program. I cant say this is the way it works for MLG because Im not sure but GOM pays for and puts up foreigners when they compete in Code B/A/S, completely separate from the MLG-GSL exchange program.
As the last Korean player standing in Orlando, MC has earned a League Exchange Invitation to Providence. Our four highest Korean finishers this year (three of whom were MLG Champions) will have their trips to the National Championships covered. Their bracket seeds will be based on the points they've earned in competitions this Season. Congratulations to MMA, MVP, Bomber, and MC on their accomplishments and we will see each of them in Providence fighting it out for the $50,000 first prize
Completely seperate from the exchange program did you say?
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I saw this coming.. You just don't disrespect the fans and people who worked so hard to operate GSL. I hope naniwa understands that as a "professional", he/she has to abide by rules of conduct. Koreans won't tolerate immaturity/stupidity at the highest stage of sc2 gaming.
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On December 15 2011 09:22 Kazeyonoma wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 09:17 Tula wrote:On December 15 2011 09:08 labbe wrote:On December 15 2011 09:04 Kieofire wrote:On December 15 2011 08:57 jinorazi wrote:
naniwa admits he was wrong (you fans need to stop defending him).
gomtv's action is justified. (what he did was wrong, no excuses).
surely there's some misunderstand among everyone regarding seeds and whatnot but it doesn't change anything.
move on, why is everyone splitting hair about it? Because most of the people are just here for the drama, it is so sad. Wrong, we are here because GOMTV is not being honest with us. And they are to stubborn to admit that they messed up. Naniwa acted childishly, apologized and payed for it - a way higher prize than he deserved i might add. GOMTV still has not admitted to doing anything wrong here, and they just keep lying to us. THAT'S what people are upset about. Interestingly i can't find a single lie in GomTV's statement. There are quite a few opinions in it, which might not be true, but considering they are an opinion that is to be expected. Regarding the code S spot there is quite some confusion, but the only persons who could know they are lying are completly silent. There is no statement from MLG, there is no statement from Naniwa or Quantic about arrangements for Code S. Many of you think they might be lying and are willing and able to throw around the pitchforks but so far there hasn't been a single shred of evidence that they are. It was absolutly clear that Gom would be changing their system from January onwards, no one can deny that. The Graphic of the setup has been linked and seen quite often, and to the best of my knowledge it hasn't changed a bit since November when they posted it initially (or was that back in oktober?). I assumed Naniwa would get one of those 2 code S seeds, just like many other people did (including MLG it seems) but until Gom sends out some kind of email to the player to make arrangements, or announces the names publicly nothing is fixed. As MrChae said they were considering Naniwa but his behaviour made them change their mind. You can disagree with that decision (loudly if you want to) but there is no reason to call them liars or other swear words. I agree with this man 100%
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On December 15 2011 09:02 ScareCrow` wrote:GOM Stating Code S Spot"Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, regardless of country of origin, who doesn't already have Code S status." MLG Stating Code S Spot"Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, within the Top 3, regardless of country of origin, who does not already have Code S status." MLG Stating Naniwa is placed into code S"...and earned a seat in Code S." I don't know about the Blizzard Cup/Code S difference, but if I were a pro and I'd been told that I'd earned my spot in code S, the most highly revered tournament on the planet that every gamer strives for that also comes with continual seasons based on my performance as well as the up and downs into code A, I'd be furious to have an end-of-year tournament replace it after the fact.
Do you not find it strange, that GOM doesn't bother to correct neither the player, his team, MLG or the whole community of the false belief that naniwa has a code-S birth, and of which naniwa spoke as recently as the media day for the blizzard cup, until the day after the naniwa vs nestea match?
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On December 15 2011 09:26 ZAiNs wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 09:21 iamthedave wrote:On December 15 2011 09:17 tnud wrote:On December 15 2011 09:16 KristofferAG wrote:
Thanks for the official statement. I agree whole-heartedly, this really isn't that bad of a punishment, it's more of a wake-up-call for NaNiWa IMO. He's getting kicked out of the finest tournament on a bullshit reason. They changed the reason and updated some texts and now it's even worse. It's not a "wake up" call for Naniwa, it's the frikking GSL. You don't just walk in a qualify for it. OGSFin did. The funny thing is everyone's so angry about what would have likely been Naniwa getting beaten out of Code S in the first round anyway. Isn't he 0-10 in televised GSL matches now? 100% irrelevant, and if Naniwa's recent results don't tell you he's good then I don't know what to say.
He's good in tournaments other than GSL, yes. But how is that relevant when we're talking about GSL?
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So what about the fact that they called him an amateur? :O
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On December 15 2011 09:21 iamthedave wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 09:17 tnud wrote:On December 15 2011 09:16 KristofferAG wrote:
Thanks for the official statement. I agree whole-heartedly, this really isn't that bad of a punishment, it's more of a wake-up-call for NaNiWa IMO. He's getting kicked out of the finest tournament on a bullshit reason. They changed the reason and updated some texts and now it's even worse. It's not a "wake up" call for Naniwa, it's the frikking GSL. You don't just walk in a qualify for it. OGSFin did. The funny thing is everyone's so angry about what would have likely been Naniwa getting beaten out of Code S in the first round anyway. Isn't he 0-10 in televised GSL matches now?
It doesn't matter how likely that is if it's true that he actually earned the spot. And at the moment he's got the highest non-Korean Elo in TLPD. Sometimes people lose games, this shouldn't be surprising.
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On December 15 2011 09:24 Eineez wrote:
why wasn't this statement presented like 15 hours ago, as a first and last statement? instead of shitting on naniwa in korean on stream live?
From what I understand they didn't shit on Naniwa on the stream. They did make a statement but it was in a professional manner. Also, the previous drama about "amatuer prize hunter" was apparantly from a third source, and GOM didn't actually say that. This was in a removed thread.
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GSL's new format for 2012 have been introduced since like november.
it said there would be 2 foreigner seed. Also MLG and GSL do not have partnership yet with 2012.
Naniwa was being considered. NOT won.
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Naniwa is on Live on Three right now and just said himself that he thought he had a Code S spot after Providence
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So many quotables in this thread, this definitely feels like the act of one person within the GOM organization. A warning I can understand, but to take away an earned position over something so negligible seems draconian at best and down right spiteful at worst . It doesn't matter what you think of Naniwa's character, he earned his spot due to skill and doesn't deserve this treatment.
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On December 15 2011 09:28 The Stapler wrote:
Naniwa is on Live on Three right now and just said himself that he thought he had a Code S spot after Providence
Ty for the heads up, i don't always catch Lo3 but I wanna hear this one.
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