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On December 15 2011 09:12 eYeball wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 09:10 Blacktion wrote:Pro Circuit Players Competing in the GSL
At MLG Columbus, the Top 3 non-Korean finishers will each be placed into GSL Code A.
At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows:
Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, regardless of country of origin, who doesn't already have Code S status.
Code A status will be awarded to the next 3 highest placing non-Korean players.
If Code S status is awarded to a Korean player, Code A status also will be awarded to the 4th highest placing non-Korean player.
All travel and accommodation expenses for these players will be provided by the GSL.
GSL Pro Players Competing on the MLG Pro Circuit
MLG will invite four Korean pro players to each Pro Circuit Live Competition.
These players will be placed directly into the Championship Pools, one into each Pool.
Their placement in the Pools will be determined by their GSL rank.
All travel and accommodation expenses for these players will be provided by MLG.
For MLG Columbus, we will also be inviting the winner of the CSN tournament, currently in progress. This player will be seeded into the Open Bracket, and their travel and accommodation expenses will be covered by CSN. From http://www.gomtv.net/2011gslsponsors3/news/65291As i understand it, no Korean pros were invited to providence based on GSL rank, all the invites to providence were entirely based on points accumulated at previous MLG events. If the GSL to MLG transfers didnt apply for the providence event is it not logical that the reverse is true, that there wasnt a GSL code S slot available. Unless im very much mistaken, and im ready to be proven wrong, it seems like this whole thing has been a communication problem that people are blowing way out of proportion. MLG paid for 4 koreans to come to MLG Providience.
Who?
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On December 15 2011 09:10 freeloader625 wrote:
GSL did nothing wrong. I respect their decision.
I have to respectfully disagree. Everyone was under the impression that Naniwa secured his Code S spot at Providence. There was both explicit (see the rest of this thread for old news quotes, posts, etc) and implicit (every other top non Korean in the MLG circuit since the exchange began got a Code S spot) reasons for everyone to believe this. To revoke that is one thing, but do not say that it was never there in the first place. There is a huge difference between "We are punishing Naniwa for his poor sportsmanship by revoking his Code S seed" and "Naniwa never had a Code S seed anyway, but now he is 100% out of contention." It just seems a bit odd that this was all announced after the fact, and I mean long after the fact.
While Naniwa was disrespectful to the scene in general, actions that occur that are not "by the books" will only lead to less credibility for our rules and structures.
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On December 15 2011 09:04 Kieofire wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 08:57 jinorazi wrote:
naniwa admits he was wrong (you fans need to stop defending him).
gomtv's action is justified. (what he did was wrong, no excuses).
surely there's some misunderstand among everyone regarding seeds and whatnot but it doesn't change anything.
move on, why is everyone splitting hair about it? Because most of the people are just here for the drama, it is so sad.
You know what? Some people actually express their concerns if they encounter unfair behavior.
And some people still believe that fairness is benefitial in this world.
Don't want to imagine how the world would be if everybody was either simple-minded or calm and indifferent as you are.
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Norway25712 Posts
Thanks for the official statement. I agree whole-heartedly, this really isn't that bad of a punishment, it's more of a wake-up-call for NaNiWa IMO.
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ask away but i will still consider this a punishment too severe over a meaningless game. arguing that more players might in the future throw games when they are eliminated from a tournament is stupid, because you could simply have a rule against it. it's naive and silly to believe you shouldn't have rules for these types of things, and it's understandable that you will have to be given leniency from viewers and players alike to establish them
it's funny also you give the spot to idra, someone who is far more controversial in terms of "disrespecting" the game. two wrongs don't make a right (nani's actions aren't justified just because other people have done worse), but you reacted to the community's frenzy and to what was done on your turf. you're not crusading for esports like you pretend to be. the original post could have been so much shorter without all that fluff about the spirit of competition.
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Talking about professionalism, it appears MLG and other organisations didn't have knowledge of Providence not offering a Code S spot as thats what was filling news articles after the tournament on a number of sites (Naniwa earning a Code S spot for GSL January). Surely everyone would've been kept up to date with the information of Providence not guaranteeing a player a Code S seed...
People pay money to go watch sports around the world, whether in a stadium or on payed television etc. Its not uncommon for teams to field their reserves / youth players, or individuals to not bring their A game in a match that doesn't matter/have no meaning. So that comparison in the announcement is a little silly.
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On December 15 2011 09:12 eYeball wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 09:10 Blacktion wrote:Pro Circuit Players Competing in the GSL
At MLG Columbus, the Top 3 non-Korean finishers will each be placed into GSL Code A.
At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows:
Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, regardless of country of origin, who doesn't already have Code S status.
Code A status will be awarded to the next 3 highest placing non-Korean players.
If Code S status is awarded to a Korean player, Code A status also will be awarded to the 4th highest placing non-Korean player.
All travel and accommodation expenses for these players will be provided by the GSL.
GSL Pro Players Competing on the MLG Pro Circuit
MLG will invite four Korean pro players to each Pro Circuit Live Competition.
These players will be placed directly into the Championship Pools, one into each Pool.
Their placement in the Pools will be determined by their GSL rank.
All travel and accommodation expenses for these players will be provided by MLG.
For MLG Columbus, we will also be inviting the winner of the CSN tournament, currently in progress. This player will be seeded into the Open Bracket, and their travel and accommodation expenses will be covered by CSN. From http://www.gomtv.net/2011gslsponsors3/news/65291As i understand it, no Korean pros were invited to providence based on GSL rank, all the invites to providence were entirely based on points accumulated at previous MLG events. If the GSL to MLG transfers didnt apply for the providence event is it not logical that the reverse is true, that there wasnt a GSL code S slot available. Unless im very much mistaken, and im ready to be proven wrong, it seems like this whole thing has been a communication problem that people are blowing way out of proportion. MLG paid for 4 koreans to come to MLG Providience.
Yes but the seeds were based on MLG not GSL performance.
The fact that MLG paid for travel ect does not mean it was part of the exchange program. I cant say this is the way it works for MLG because Im not sure but GOM pays for and puts up foreigners when they compete in Code B/A/S, completely separate from the MLG-GSL exchange program.
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On December 15 2011 09:10 Blacktion wrote:Show nested quote +Pro Circuit Players Competing in the GSL
At MLG Columbus, the Top 3 non-Korean finishers will each be placed into GSL Code A.
At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows:
Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, regardless of country of origin, who doesn't already have Code S status.
Code A status will be awarded to the next 3 highest placing non-Korean players.
If Code S status is awarded to a Korean player, Code A status also will be awarded to the 4th highest placing non-Korean player.
All travel and accommodation expenses for these players will be provided by the GSL.
GSL Pro Players Competing on the MLG Pro Circuit
MLG will invite four Korean pro players to each Pro Circuit Live Competition.
These players will be placed directly into the Championship Pools, one into each Pool.
Their placement in the Pools will be determined by their GSL rank.
All travel and accommodation expenses for these players will be provided by MLG.
For MLG Columbus, we will also be inviting the winner of the CSN tournament, currently in progress. This player will be seeded into the Open Bracket, and their travel and accommodation expenses will be covered by CSN. From http://www.gomtv.net/2011gslsponsors3/news/65291As i understand it, no Korean pros were invited to providence based on GSL rank, all the invites to providence were entirely based on points accumulated at previous MLG events. If the GSL to MLG transfers didnt apply for the providence event is it not logical that the reverse is true, that there wasnt a GSL code S slot available. Unless im very much mistaken, and im ready to be proven wrong, it seems like this whole thing has been a communication problem that people are blowing way out of proportion.
http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/mc-mma-bomber-and-mvp-to-mlg-providence
And, don't you find it strange that GOM doesn't bother to correct the belief of naniwa, his team, MLG, and the whole western community, that naniwa has a birth for code S, until the day after the naniwa vs nestea match? Naniwa even spoke about his code S spot on the media day for the blizzard cup.
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On December 15 2011 09:16 KristofferAG wrote:
Thanks for the official statement. I agree whole-heartedly, this really isn't that bad of a punishment, it's more of a wake-up-call for NaNiWa IMO.
He's getting kicked out of the finest tournament on a bullshit reason. They changed the reason and updated some texts and now it's even worse. It's not a "wake up" call for Naniwa, it's the frikking GSL. You don't just walk in a qualify for it.
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On December 15 2011 09:08 labbe wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 09:04 Kieofire wrote:On December 15 2011 08:57 jinorazi wrote:
naniwa admits he was wrong (you fans need to stop defending him).
gomtv's action is justified. (what he did was wrong, no excuses).
surely there's some misunderstand among everyone regarding seeds and whatnot but it doesn't change anything.
move on, why is everyone splitting hair about it? Because most of the people are just here for the drama, it is so sad. Wrong, we are here because GOMTV is not being honest with us. And they are to stubborn to admit that they messed up. Naniwa acted childishly, apologized and payed for it - a way higher prize than he deserved i might add. GOMTV still has not admitted to doing anything wrong here, and they just keep lying to us. THAT'S what people are upset about.
Interestingly i can't find a single lie in GomTV's statement. There are quite a few opinions in it, which might not be true, but considering they are an opinion that is to be expected.
Regarding the code S spot there is quite some confusion, but the only persons who could know they are lying are completly silent. There is no statement from MLG, there is no statement from Naniwa or Quantic about arrangements for Code S.
Many of you think they might be lying and are willing and able to throw around the pitchforks but so far there hasn't been a single shred of evidence that they are.
It was absolutly clear that Gom would be changing their system from January onwards, no one can deny that. The Graphic of the setup has been linked and seen quite often, and to the best of my knowledge it hasn't changed a bit since November when they posted it initially (or was that back in oktober?). I assumed Naniwa would get one of those 2 code S seeds, just like many other people did (including MLG it seems) but until Gom sends out some kind of email to the player to make arrangements, or announces the names publicly nothing is fixed.
As MrChae said they were considering Naniwa but his behaviour made them change their mind. You can disagree with that decision (loudly if you want to) but there is no reason to call them liars or other swear words.
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I suggest sending a PM to GOMTV (the author of this thread) to let them know we don't agree with their decision simply because MLG promised a Code S spot not Blizzard Cup stuff.
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On December 15 2011 09:15 mutton wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 09:12 eYeball wrote:On December 15 2011 09:10 Blacktion wrote:Pro Circuit Players Competing in the GSL
At MLG Columbus, the Top 3 non-Korean finishers will each be placed into GSL Code A.
At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows:
Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, regardless of country of origin, who doesn't already have Code S status.
Code A status will be awarded to the next 3 highest placing non-Korean players.
If Code S status is awarded to a Korean player, Code A status also will be awarded to the 4th highest placing non-Korean player.
All travel and accommodation expenses for these players will be provided by the GSL.
GSL Pro Players Competing on the MLG Pro Circuit
MLG will invite four Korean pro players to each Pro Circuit Live Competition.
These players will be placed directly into the Championship Pools, one into each Pool.
Their placement in the Pools will be determined by their GSL rank.
All travel and accommodation expenses for these players will be provided by MLG.
For MLG Columbus, we will also be inviting the winner of the CSN tournament, currently in progress. This player will be seeded into the Open Bracket, and their travel and accommodation expenses will be covered by CSN. From http://www.gomtv.net/2011gslsponsors3/news/65291As i understand it, no Korean pros were invited to providence based on GSL rank, all the invites to providence were entirely based on points accumulated at previous MLG events. If the GSL to MLG transfers didnt apply for the providence event is it not logical that the reverse is true, that there wasnt a GSL code S slot available. Unless im very much mistaken, and im ready to be proven wrong, it seems like this whole thing has been a communication problem that people are blowing way out of proportion. MLG paid for 4 koreans to come to MLG Providience. Who?
http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/mc-mma-bomber-and-mvp-to-mlg-providence
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On December 15 2011 08:46 Kazeyonoma wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 08:42 eYeball wrote:On December 15 2011 08:37 dp wrote:
I find it funny so many people say GOMTV is lying. Any of you people care to show a single announcement from GOMTV that nani was being given a code S spot? Anyone at all? Don't worry, I will wait.. Another user posted this: On December 15 2011 08:19 Paladia wrote:On December 15 2011 06:33 GOMTV wrote:It seems like a lot of people have been under the impression that NaNiWa has received a Code S seed for taking 2nd place at MLG Providence. The truth however is that NaNiWa has received the right to compete in the Blizzard Cup for his 2nd place achievement at MLG Providence. Gom, why are you making this up? 1. Why were the two seeds called "INTERNATIONAL SEED" and the other one "MLG PROVIDENCE CODE S SEED" on your official website (which you in stealth changed today)? 2. Why did your own twitter comment say that you revoked his Code S seed (which you also, deleted today)? 3. Why was it announced on your official partners website that Naniwa has .. earned a seat in Code S? 4. And why does it say on your official website when you announced the partner program still (not had time to change that one yet, had you?) say that: At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows:
Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, regardless of country of origin, who doesn't already have Code S status.What you are doing right now is much much worse than what Naniwa could ever do or any player has ever done in the history of Starcraft 2. You are falsely removing the prize of a tournament several months after the tournament has happened and trying to delete all evidence of it. This is worse than those tournaments who don't pay the prize money, as at least they acknowledge the fact that there is a prize. I really expected that your so called "honor" would be more than this. Removing one of the major prizes of a tournament, lying, deleting threads, in secret altering your own statements, I think all GomTV has built up was just thrown down the drain and I honestly wish that no player would ever have anything more to do with you. I don't see how you dare talk about "honor" or professionalism. Stop quoting Paladia, nothing in his post is truth, he has nothing to back this, no sources, and the question you were referring to asked for PROOF THAT NANIWA GOT AWARDED CODE S by official GOM SOURCES. nothing you quoted, answers that.
Not sure why you are bashing anyone posting proof against GOM. You can even visit the site yourself at this very second and confirm it: http://www.gomtv.net/2011gslsponsors3/news/65291
At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows:
Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, regardless of country of origin, who doesn't already have Code S status.
So lets check what the requirement for winning a code S spot in MLG is according to GOMTV's official website.
The tournament has to be in has to be in 2011. Check.
Pro Circuit Live Competition. Check.
After MLG Columbus. Check.
Highest placing player, regardless of country of origin, who doesn't already have Code S status. Leenok was first and he is already in Code S, Naniwa was second. Check.
So please inform us, just based on this piece alone, which is the official word from GOMTV when they announced the prize, wouldn't they give out the prize as they've promised?
Do you generally defend tournaments who do not give out their announced prizes or is it just gomtv for some reason?
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Still no explanation about Code S that Naniwa won in MLG. He didn't win a CHANCE FOR A SPOT. He won the actual spot. Just like all the other MLG's since the Exchange Program. And now you come months after just because of this incident and kick him out?
Not a fan.
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Fantastic statement, Gom showing their class
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This doesn't feel like an act of the company behind GomTV, this feels like the act of anger from an individual that i'm guessing is mr. Chae. I can't believe people are buying the crap about the code S spot by the way, it was clear since months there was a code S spot involved in Providence prize pool and it has been discussed over and over and over again by sites and people. Do you not think GSL would've "clarified" that there actually isn't one before now? They're just trying to save their arses here, that's all there is to it.
I'm looking at GomTV at the moment and i'm not seeing a serious business.
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On December 15 2011 09:13 s4life wrote:
Gomtv failed miserably this time. They could have gone either route, either punish Naniwa and take the hit directly or just ask for an apology be done with it... instead they try to punish him 'indirectly' and being all sneaky about it.. how the fuck is Naniwa not code S????? it's a low blow to Naniwa and a complete disrespect to the community.
This is exactly how I feel as well.
I was 100% fine with them punishing Naniwa the way they did. If they wanna throw someone out of their tuornament it's their call. But the way they've gone about it is disgusting.
Just say he's trown out. Don't say "oh yeah so uhm, he kinda was seeded into Code S but not really so we aren't really throwing him out because he never had an invite even though everyone thought he did and the rules say he does"
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I hope it is understood that GOMTV had to do something as a deterrence for the future. Albeit their punishment is minimal. It is GOMTV's fault for having a tournament with useless games but that is not made very clear. There is only a line on it towards the end, but it seems they are not taking much responsibility. Future tournaments should learn from this mistake.
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On December 15 2011 09:16 z0nk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 09:04 Kieofire wrote:On December 15 2011 08:57 jinorazi wrote:
naniwa admits he was wrong (you fans need to stop defending him).
gomtv's action is justified. (what he did was wrong, no excuses).
surely there's some misunderstand among everyone regarding seeds and whatnot but it doesn't change anything.
move on, why is everyone splitting hair about it? Because most of the people are just here for the drama, it is so sad. You know what? Some people actually express their concerns if they encounter unfair behavior. And some people still believe that fairness is benefitial in this world. Don't want to imagine how the world would be if everybody was either simple-minded or calm and indifferent as you are.
And at the same time this world would be at peace and there would be no such thing as radicals, hate groups or unnecessary rabble-rousers. And these groups of people include everyone from hippies to terrorists to evangelicals.
But let's not debate there. The point is that everyone's view of morality is an opinion, and if GOM does not feel they did something wrong, they do not have to say so. And no matter how much we have a problem with it, it's their right to do so. Just as it's our right not to give them our money.
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Great statement by GomTV. I hope Naniwa grows up, and qualifies for a future GSL.
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