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2. Doesn't that mean that the GSL is depriving NaNiWa of a Code S seed that he rightfully earned?
It seems like a lot of people have been under the impression that NaNiWa has received a Code S seed for taking 2nd place at MLG Providence. The truth however is that NaNiWa has received the right to compete in the Blizzard Cup for his 2nd place achievement at MLG Providence.
Ok, but didn't MLG guarantee a Code S spot? I doubt they mentioned Blizzard Cup instead.
It seems to me that either MLG isn't completely honest or GOM.
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It's fairly obvious at this point that GOMtv is lieing at this point. The contract said a code S seed for every 2011 mpg event after Columbus, which includes providence. After providence every foreign esports site including mlg have been reporting on Naniwa attaining code S. They seriously wait this long and till after this sequence of events to correct it? I'm not buying it personally. I could respect them if they came out and said they're taking his code S spot away, but telling a pure lie is just wrong.
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is it possible that GOM wanted to punish naniwa but not want to look bad doing it b/c they know that they are also responsible for creating a pointless match?
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On December 15 2011 06:33 GOMTV wrote:
1. GSL's stance toward the NaNiWa incident
Not only progamers, but professional athletes in every sports prove and showcase their skill through the game and by doing so entertain their fans. Since professional athletes do this for a living, competing in tournaments is a means to make money in order to sustain themselves. While money is an essential factor in a professional athlete’s life, it is the sincere competitive spirit that enables a mere athlete to become a professional athlete. This spirit entails the will to improve, work hard and try one's best no matter what. It also encompasses a mutual respect between those who share the title of professional athlete, which consequently leads to a certain code of professional conduct. It is this underlying competitive spirit, which goes beyond and is unrelated to any amount of prize money, of every professional athlete that touches and entertains many fans. We believe that the reason why so many people are such avid fans of baseball, soccer or e-sports has next to nothing to do with money. Korean e-sports fans generally share this understanding of the term 'professional athlete’ or in this case 'progamer', and might be less likely to tolerate a deviation from these core values compared to overseas communities.
I would like if you say that to the german national soccer team
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But this explanation actually makes it better.
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I do not get how people can't read behind the lines? GOM is bending facts to fit their needs, just to be able to defend their actions. How do you guys not get upset when they unviel information that no one knew about? That the premesis for naniwas code s spot was "hidden", and just now fit in the glove of the punishment for an action that didnt break any written rule...
this is sad and not professional at all from GOM side. It's just about rewriting facts to fit their agenda...
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On December 15 2011 09:04 Kieofire wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 08:57 jinorazi wrote:
naniwa admits he was wrong (you fans need to stop defending him).
gomtv's action is justified. (what he did was wrong, no excuses).
surely there's some misunderstand among everyone regarding seeds and whatnot but it doesn't change anything.
move on, why is everyone splitting hair about it? Because most of the people are just here for the drama, it is so sad.
No, what GOM did was far from being justified. Holy crap why are people acting like this is such a simple ordeal with no wrongdoings? GOM didnt become mother teresa overnight and we shouldnt treat it as such. Everyone knows Naniwa acted immaturely, but that was established almost from the start.
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On December 15 2011 09:04 Mungosh wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 09:02 darthfoley wrote:On December 15 2011 08:24 Kazeyonoma wrote:On December 15 2011 08:19 Paladia wrote:On December 15 2011 06:33 GOMTV wrote:It seems like a lot of people have been under the impression that NaNiWa has received a Code S seed for taking 2nd place at MLG Providence. The truth however is that NaNiWa has received the right to compete in the Blizzard Cup for his 2nd place achievement at MLG Providence. Gom, why are you making this up? 1. Why were the two seeds called "INTERNATIONAL SEED" and the other one "MLG PROVIDENCE CODE S SEED" on your official website (which you in stealth changed today)? 2. Why did your own twitter comment say that you revoked his Code S seed (which you also, deleted today)? 3. Why was it announced on your official partners website that Naniwa has .. earned a seat in Code S? 4. And why does it still say on your official website when you announced the partner program still (not had time to change that one yet, had you?) say that: At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows:
Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, regardless of country of origin, who doesn't already have Code S status.What you are doing right now is much much worse than what Naniwa could ever do or any player has ever done in the history of Starcraft 2. You are falsely removing the prize of a tournament several months after the tournament has happened and trying to delete all evidence of it. This is worse than those tournaments who don't pay the prize money, as at least they acknowledge the fact that there is a prize. I really expected that your so called "honor" would be more than this. Removing one of the major prizes of a tournament, lying, deleting threads, in secret altering your own statements, I think all GomTV has built up was just thrown down the drain and I honestly wish that no player would ever have anything more to do with you. I don't see how you dare talk about "honor" or professionalism. What? This is the only announcement gom ever made official: ![[image loading]](http://img.gomtv.net/img/n_net/gsl_format.jpg) in terms of their format, this has always been how it looked, there never was a "PROVIDENCE SEED" put on there. Stop spreading propoganda about GOM ninja'ing their own stuff, they never needed to make a change to this file. I have it on my desktop to try to create a better format of it to explain it when they first announced this back in october or whatever. They haven't changed shit. I don't recall their twitter stating they "banned" him either, it was a mistranslation... jeezus christ. quoted so other people see How is that guy any more trustworthy than the one stating the contrary?
He isn't, i thought it'd be better to show both arguments.
Anyways, imo Naniwa finally got what was coming to him. Karma if you will, he seriously needs to grow up. He wouldn't be in this position if he'd have 4gated or something that at least looked like he tried. such a boring ordeal
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On December 15 2011 09:02 JiPrime wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 08:59 LorDo wrote:On December 15 2011 08:56 JiPrime wrote:On December 15 2011 08:55 SC2NeCro wrote:On December 15 2011 08:53 JiPrime wrote:On December 15 2011 08:51 SC2NeCro wrote:On December 15 2011 08:49 JiPrime wrote:On December 15 2011 08:48 zeru wrote:On December 15 2011 08:48 JiPrime wrote:On December 15 2011 08:46 LorDo wrote:
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Are you trolling? Blizzard Cup =/= Code S. He did not get it for all intents and purposes. You're wrong. Blizzard Cup = Code S It's just a different Title for GSL Dec. with different formats. No, its not the same at all. It's a separate event with no relation to GSL. Who is the damn host for the tournament? GOMTV If anything it's GSL Dec. Stop. Right now. You don't know what you are talking about. Blizz Cup is a completely different tournament and was never stated as the replacement to Code S in December. NaNiWa was awarded a Code S spot and now that was revoked because they felt like it. You should stop right now, because it's YOU who doesn't know what you're talking about. Blizzard Cup is a special tournament in December that REPLACES GSL Dec. Show me a quote then stating that then, otherwise stop talking and blowing smoke. Show me a quote stating that Blizzard Cup has no relation to GSL, otherwise stop talking and blowing smoke. Ban this troll. It's like comparing Champions League in soccer to Premier League. If Blizzard Cup is on the same tier as AOL and TAI then why isn't GomTV running GSL Dec. along with the Blizzard Cup, then?
This i present to you, the biggest troll of them all.
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On December 15 2011 09:04 Mungosh wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 09:02 darthfoley wrote:On December 15 2011 08:24 Kazeyonoma wrote:On December 15 2011 08:19 Paladia wrote:On December 15 2011 06:33 GOMTV wrote:It seems like a lot of people have been under the impression that NaNiWa has received a Code S seed for taking 2nd place at MLG Providence. The truth however is that NaNiWa has received the right to compete in the Blizzard Cup for his 2nd place achievement at MLG Providence. Gom, why are you making this up? 1. Why were the two seeds called "INTERNATIONAL SEED" and the other one "MLG PROVIDENCE CODE S SEED" on your official website (which you in stealth changed today)? 2. Why did your own twitter comment say that you revoked his Code S seed (which you also, deleted today)? 3. Why was it announced on your official partners website that Naniwa has .. earned a seat in Code S? 4. And why does it still say on your official website when you announced the partner program still (not had time to change that one yet, had you?) say that: At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows:
Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, regardless of country of origin, who doesn't already have Code S status.What you are doing right now is much much worse than what Naniwa could ever do or any player has ever done in the history of Starcraft 2. You are falsely removing the prize of a tournament several months after the tournament has happened and trying to delete all evidence of it. This is worse than those tournaments who don't pay the prize money, as at least they acknowledge the fact that there is a prize. I really expected that your so called "honor" would be more than this. Removing one of the major prizes of a tournament, lying, deleting threads, in secret altering your own statements, I think all GomTV has built up was just thrown down the drain and I honestly wish that no player would ever have anything more to do with you. I don't see how you dare talk about "honor" or professionalism. What? This is the only announcement gom ever made official: in terms of their format, this has always been how it looked, there never was a "PROVIDENCE SEED" put on there. Stop spreading propoganda about GOM ninja'ing their own stuff, they never needed to make a change to this file. I have it on my desktop to try to create a better format of it to explain it when they first announced this back in october or whatever. They haven't changed shit. I don't recall their twitter stating they "banned" him either, it was a mistranslation... jeezus christ. quoted so other people see How is that guy any more trustworthy than the one stating the contrary?
Because the burden of truth to prove that things were 'changed' should be on the person claiming so. I was claiming that I have an original copy of this image from October, and that NOTHING WAS CHANGED. Everything Paladia said is speculation, conjecture, and fearmongering against GOM by trying to state something that he CANNOT prove. I and DISPROVING it to stop the spreading of misinformation, but yet, people have already twice quoted Paladia, stating it as if it was fact, when it IS NOT. Gom has NOT changed anything, in retrospect on their website or twitter, Paladia is misinformed or intentionally spreading improper information to incite the masses against Gom, which is WRONG.
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On December 15 2011 08:51 Ghanburighan wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 08:48 Vorenius wrote:On December 15 2011 08:46 Kieofire wrote:On December 15 2011 08:43 Vorenius wrote:On December 15 2011 08:40 JiPrime wrote:But that's MLG's, not GOMTV's. It could be that MLG misunderstood what GOMTV said. I say we wait for MLG's statement. Here is GOM saying the same: http://www.gomtv.net/2011gslsponsors3/news/65291 But GOM says the 2011 season. The next Code S is in 2012, so yeah. They are saying a Code S spot will be the reward of every MLG in 2011. Providence was in 2011 so according to that post, a Code S spot should be rewarded to Naniwa. As was said before, the announcements on both websites said EVERY MLG CIRCUIT, which has a constrained reading in which the national championship in Providence is excluded as MLG lists circuit events as those that led up to Providence...
Thanks for this contribution. It still has to be explained, though, why MLG themselves announced that naniwa earned code S status (plus everybody else, but it bears more weight coming from the organizers) and why GOM never said "no guys, I am sorry but you got it all wrong. naniwa has not earned code S status. he is, though, a very strong candidate for being seeded into code S 2012 season 1".
After what you discovered, I have new interest for a potential MLG statement.
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On December 15 2011 09:06 zeru wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 09:05 darkness wrote:2. Doesn't that mean that the GSL is depriving NaNiWa of a Code S seed that he rightfully earned?
It seems like a lot of people have been under the impression that NaNiWa has received a Code S seed for taking 2nd place at MLG Providence. The truth however is that NaNiWa has received the right to compete in the Blizzard Cup for his 2nd place achievement at MLG Providence. Ok, but didn't MLG guarantee a Code S spot? I doubt they mentioned Blizzard Cup instead. It seems to me that MLG isn't completely honest or GOM. I doubt MLG would lie about what prizes they are offering.
More like MLG misunderstood what GOMTV said and went through with it.
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On December 15 2011 09:04 Truthful wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 08:46 ExO_ wrote:
This is the GOMtv website, and GOM's own words. There is absolutely NO mention of this ending starting in 2012, and the fact that it says every event after MLG Columbus would imply to me for that MLG regular season. that's because they don't have to. Thinking the agreement would carry over in 2012 was an assumption on your part. that's not gom's fault sorry.
You don't find it strange that GOM takes no steps to correct the belief that naniwa has a birth for s-code until the day after the matche between naniwa and nestea? Even when naniwa talked about his code S seed at the media-day for the blizzard cup?
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On December 15 2011 08:55 Tyrant0 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 08:53 SKYFISH_ wrote:On December 15 2011 08:14 Tabula`Rasa wrote:
GOM is an Asian organization. Naniwa's behavior is considered extremely disrespectful in Asian culture, particularly because NesTea ranks above Naniwa in terms of seniority. That is all. Sure, Naniwa would not have been kicked if this happened in a Western tournament, like NASL. GOM is not imposing their principles on other organisations. So why should the community impose their principles on GOM? No officially promulgated rules were broken, but respect - particularly for your elders is an unspoken one. Don't understand all this cultural imperialism. Just because something doesn't fit in your narrow Western mentality box does not make it a bad or wrong decision. Narrow Western mentality box? This is pure hypocrisy. While this whole incident wouldnt have been a big thing in a western tournament, we still acknowledge that its a big deal for Asians and the general consensus on the matter is that Naniwa should be punished for it. In the meantime, its the westerner who is apologizing, while GOM arent apologizing for the tournament format.Instead they make up some bullshit excuses to justify their actions. Not to mention that neither GOM, nor the Korean community or Progamers are willing to consider that maybe, just maybe, that particular westerner had no freaking idea just how sensitive Asians are to such behavior. And no, dont bring the "when in Rome'' argument, it doesnt fly in a tournament that is supposedly striving to be global and international What general consensus?
the consensus that every action leads to a reaction
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On December 15 2011 09:04 Truthful wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 08:46 ExO_ wrote:
This is the GOMtv website, and GOM's own words. There is absolutely NO mention of this ending starting in 2012, and the fact that it says every event after MLG Columbus would imply to me for that MLG regular season. that's because they don't have to. Thinking the agreement would carry over in 2012 was an assumption on your part. that's not gom's fault sorry.
So if i win a prize in 2011, the company that are suppose to pay me the prize can just tell me "nope, we're gonna change our rules next year where we state that nobody will recieve their prizes"?
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This statement pisses me off in a major way.
As I've discussed this subject over and over all day I'm not going to rehash everything again.
I will just leave this simple message, I have bought every GSL premium ticket since GSL Open 3.
I'm not paying for the next one.
I'm not supporting the lack of integrity GOM is showing, and this statement confirmed everything I hoped wasn't true.
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On December 15 2011 09:04 Kieofire wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 08:57 jinorazi wrote:
naniwa admits he was wrong (you fans need to stop defending him).
gomtv's action is justified. (what he did was wrong, no excuses).
surely there's some misunderstand among everyone regarding seeds and whatnot but it doesn't change anything.
move on, why is everyone splitting hair about it? Because most of the people are just here for the drama, it is so sad.
Wrong, we are here because GOMTV is not being honest with us. And they are to stubborn to admit that they messed up. Naniwa acted childishly, apologized and payed for it - a way higher prize than he deserved i might add.
GOMTV still has not admitted to doing anything wrong here, and they just keep lying to us. THAT'S what people are upset about.
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On December 15 2011 09:07 JiPrime wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 09:06 zeru wrote:On December 15 2011 09:05 darkness wrote:2. Doesn't that mean that the GSL is depriving NaNiWa of a Code S seed that he rightfully earned?
It seems like a lot of people have been under the impression that NaNiWa has received a Code S seed for taking 2nd place at MLG Providence. The truth however is that NaNiWa has received the right to compete in the Blizzard Cup for his 2nd place achievement at MLG Providence. Ok, but didn't MLG guarantee a Code S spot? I doubt they mentioned Blizzard Cup instead. It seems to me that MLG isn't completely honest or GOM. I doubt MLG would lie about what prizes they are offering. More like MLG misunderstood what GOMTV said and went through with it.
It's a pretty hard thing to lie about. it seems pretty straight forward and clear, even on GOMtv's own post on the matter. I again refer you to their own link.
www.gomtv.net/2011gslsponsors3/news/65291
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*edit* sorry, wrong facts - didn't read correct! (thx @tnud for pointing it out ...) :>
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I think them undermining Naniwa's earned tournament spot is disrespectful to the community. Punish him? Sure. To say he never earned his spot through the MLG qualifier is just plain silly.
GOM wanted him to undermine his fans with poor play. Then GOM undermines the community by saying Naniwa never earned his spot instead of directly punishing him...
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