EPTGOMTV Announcement regarding NaNiWa - Page 46
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
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Schmank1
Canada6 Posts
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MasterBlasterCaster
United States568 Posts
On December 15 2011 08:57 jinorazi wrote: naniwa admits he was wrong (you fans need to stop defending him). gomtv's action is justified. (what he did was wrong, no excuses). Nani gave a forced apology. I don't agree that he should have apologized. Gomtv acted incredibly unprofessionally. They are in no way justified. | ||
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
On December 15 2011 08:57 jinorazi wrote: naniwa admits he was wrong (you fans need to stop defending him). gomtv's action is justified. (what he did was wrong, no excuses). surely there's some misunderstand among everyone regarding seeds and whatnot but it doesn't change anything. move on, why is everyone splitting hair about it? I'll move on when GOMTV admit theyre wrong and they wont use this retarded format in any of their tournaments any longer as well as not using the most retarded and unfair format ive ever witnessed like that in this(2011) years GSL Code S group stages. As well as admitting that Naniwa wasnt wrong and his actions were a direct reaction to GOMTV's failure to maintain competitive environment. | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On December 15 2011 08:57 farnham wrote: yes but gom had the right to terminate the current contractual relationship due to the wilfull misconduct of naniwas part. . . . . . assuming that there was such a contract (i.e., code s), they don't get to cancel the contract willy-nilly, especially when naniwa relied on the promise and went to korea to participate in GSL (apparently). that, plus, GOM already admitted that naniwa didn't break any rules, just their amorphous idea of what a progamer is, so, how could that even be considered "willful misconduct." plus, the idea that you get to cancel contracts for "willful misconduct" generally is just wrong. | ||
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Fjodorov
5007 Posts
On December 15 2011 08:46 Kieofire wrote: But GOM says the 2011 season. The next Code S is in 2012, so yeah. At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus), GSL placement will occur as follows: Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, regardless of country of origin, who doesn't already have Code S status. The "2011" part applies to the MGL events. There is nothing thats says that the actual Code S event must occur during 2011. | ||
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Vorenius
Denmark1979 Posts
On December 15 2011 08:51 Ghanburighan wrote: As was said before, the announcements on both websites said EVERY MLG CIRCUIT, which has a constrained reading in which the national championship in Providence is excluded as MLG lists circuit events as those that led up to Providence... This is simply drawn out of nothing. No where is it even hinted that MLG Providence isn't part of the MLG circuit :s You can even go to their website, click on pro circuit, and find the VODs from Providence. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/gNgL9.png) Personally I saw this whole thing as resolved before GOM made this post. Naniwa was disrespectful and GOM decided to punish him. All parties included accepted that and wanted to move on. But then GOM comes out with a bullshit statement like this full of lies. That's simply disgusting. If they wanna punish someone they gotta own it themselfs. Not make it out to be what they had planned all along. | ||
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z0nk
27 Posts
I wish MLG will have the courage to not just play along and cover it up. In general this whole incident says a lot more about GOM than it says about Naniwa. Naniwa is a passionate player. I think nobody can deny that. He is maybe even the most passionate esports programer in the world. And he is brutally honest. I would consider this to be a great mindset. The whole incident makes it even clearer. As far as I understood, Naniwa was broken in his mindset. As a passionate player, he always wants to show his best game. However, what do you do if you are just not able to? Play the match half-heartedly and pretend it was still super meaningful? GOM I think you're mixing something up. A match won't be meaningful, just because you want it to be meaningful. You were practically asking a player to sell fake emotions, pretend he still did his best. Honest as Naniwa was, he did not want to make a fool of the audience. consequence. I ask you one thing: If an athlete refuses to start at the olympic games would you force him to start just to satisfy some random audience? The audience wants true emotions, the audience wants true passion, the audience wants true honesty. But the audience certainly does not want to believe that the athletes were forced to put up a smile. I really appreciate what Naniwa did. He did not bend from your pressure. He made it clear that he wants to deliver true emotions, true passion IN EVERYTHING HE DOES. He made it clear, that he did not want to fool the audience. How can it be fair to punish a player for honesty and passion? Dear GOMtv, I ask you: What happened to passion in esports? What happened to honesty in esports? Especially concerning the latter mentioned: Please do not fool us around by making up new rules, who nobody in his right mind believes anyway. edit: On Live on Three (episode 98), Naniwa just said, he did not ask if he may forfeit beforehand (Thanks DjWheat for the question). This puts blame on naniwa too. However, I still think, the punishment is way off the scale. And I also question why GOM never corrected any misinformation about the Code-S status of Naniwa! | ||
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Kahuna.
Canada196 Posts
On December 15 2011 09:00 Sfydjklm wrote: I'll move on when GOMTV admit theyre wrong and they wont use this retarded format in any of their tournaments any longer as well as not using the most retarded and unfair format ive ever witnessed in this years GSL Code S group stages. As well as admitting that Naniwa wasnt wrong and his actions were a direct reaction to GOMTV's failure to maintain competitive environment. Unfortunately, you are the one who is wrong... not GOMTV. In all other professional sports a season is played until the final game. If a team has no hope of making the playoffs, they are still expected and required to show up and play their final matches. The situation is no different with Naniwa. If you're so hung up on this, go write complaints to the NFL, NHL and NBA asking them to re-organize their seasons so that every game matters. Otherwise, understand that Naniwa was obligated to play that game like any other game. Naniwa was wrong in his actions... if you don't believe so then you are wrong as well, because in competitive sports it is understood that there will be times when you will have to play games that do not have an impact on the outcome of the season... and in such a situation, if you're an athlete, you don't sit at home and watch Jerry Springer on the day of your game. You show up to the arena and play out your game like you would any other day. Enough said. | ||
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Warfie
Norway2846 Posts
On December 15 2011 08:56 NipponBanzai wrote: I agree with this. I feel like gom is willing to lose a few viewers to uphold the integrity of their tournament. I can really respect that. When you host the most prestigious tournament in the world with the highest level of skill, you can't just let players shit all over it. I feel like gom is trying to appease the masses too much. They should have just said, this is unacceptable behavior for our tournament and we have zero tolerance for it and that is why Naniwa is getting this punishment. Hopefully players will look at this silly incident in the future and this won't happen again. Fact of the matter right now is that there is a whole mountain of uncertainty regarding the Code S spot for Naniwa and whether or not GomTV has changed its rules/policy without notifying its partners and/or viewers. I'd argue that they are, if anything, hurting their own integrity right now - it doesn't matter whether or not they are in the right or wrong in this regard, this is currently being handled in a way that creates confusion and sometimes anger. I don't know what to think of rights and wrongs, but I know that this could be handled better by every party involved, and I honestly can't see GomTV leaving the case as it is: They definitely need to release another statement to clarify several pressing issues. | ||
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m0ck
4194 Posts
On December 15 2011 08:55 oBlade wrote: Code S tournament is a specific format for 32 players with specific prizes. Blizzard cup is a different format for 10 players with weird seeding and different prizes. Code S status plainly isn't the same as a spot in the Blizzard cup. Namely, Code S status is something you can renew by performing well enough in the tournament. I don't think this is a point of controversy. Something to argue about is whether Naniwa actually earned Code S. For this, I think we just have to wait for more announcements as there appears to have been miscommunication. Everyone, including naniwa, his team, MLG and all of the (western) community believed naniwa to have a birth for code S. Naniwa even stated so on the press day for the blizzard cup: + Show Spoiler + On December 15 2011 08:09 illsick wrote: and something that is strange is also this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=293877 Nani: "Even if I win Blizzard Cup nothing will change. I think prestige is important but in my opinion Code S is the most prestigious tournament in the world. So I want to continue challenge myself in Code S." What was the interviewer thinking after a response like that? No one in the GOM studio cared to correct him by saying that he wasn't in code S yet but that he was in the running for a spot with other foreigners? I think that GOM was lying, they had opportunities to claim otherwise about the code S spot in question when all different types of media announced that nani had earned it, including one of the two parties involved with the exchange program (MLG). I think it was easier for them to say people had the wrong impression that naniwa got a code S spot (I mean how could someone have the right impression when all sorts of media stated otherwise?) than to say he was kicked out of code S. To call it a matter of miscommunication is to suspend all disbelief. Why were no-one made aware of this fact until the day after naniwa and nestea played? | ||
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JiPrime
Canada688 Posts
On December 15 2011 08:59 LorDo wrote: Ban this troll. It's like comparing Champions League in soccer to Premier League. If Blizzard Cup is on the same tier as AOL and TAI then why isn't GomTV running GSL Dec. along with the Blizzard Cup, then? | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On December 15 2011 08:56 JiPrime wrote: Show me a quote stating that Blizzard Cup has no relation to GSL, otherwise stop talking and blowing smoke. Obviously it doesn't because all code S players aren't in it... ... .. ? | ||
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darthfoley
United States8001 Posts
On December 15 2011 08:24 Kazeyonoma wrote: What? This is the only announcement gom ever made official: ![[image loading]](http://img.gomtv.net/img/n_net/gsl_format.jpg) in terms of their format, this has always been how it looked, there never was a "PROVIDENCE SEED" put on there. Stop spreading propoganda about GOM ninja'ing their own stuff, they never needed to make a change to this file. I have it on my desktop to try to create a better format of it to explain it when they first announced this back in october or whatever. They haven't changed shit. I don't recall their twitter stating they "banned" him either, it was a mistranslation... jeezus christ.quoted so other people see | ||
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ScareCrow`
Canada88 Posts
"Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, regardless of country of origin, who doesn't already have Code S status." MLG Stating Code S Spot "Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, within the Top 3, regardless of country of origin, who does not already have Code S status." MLG Stating Naniwa is placed into code S "...and earned a seat in Code S." I don't know about the Blizzard Cup/Code S difference, but if I were a pro and I'd been told that I'd earned my spot in code S, the most highly revered tournament on the planet that every gamer strives for that also comes with continual seasons based on my performance as well as the up and downs into code A, I'd be furious to have an end-of-year tournament replace it after the fact. | ||
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oBlade
United States5271 Posts
On December 15 2011 08:57 jinorazi wrote: naniwa admits he was wrong (you fans need to stop defending him). gomtv's action is justified. (what he did was wrong, no excuses). surely there's some misunderstand among everyone regarding seeds and whatnot but it doesn't change anything. move on, why is everyone splitting hair about it? Every line was wrong. We aren't defending him, but attacking this idea of unilateral blame and the idea that there is anything to make a fuss over to begin with. Furthermore, Naniwa's doing something he shouldn't have doesn't automatically give GOM carte blanche to do whatever they want (as people have noted, a warning seems better). The misunderstanding would change something depending on what direction the misunderstanding is (i.e., did he really get a seed or not). | ||
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niteReloaded
Croatia5281 Posts
This is a huge mistake on their part. | ||
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Mungosh
365 Posts
How is that guy any more trustworthy than the one stating the contrary? | ||
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Truthful
United States38 Posts
On December 15 2011 08:46 ExO_ wrote: This is the GOMtv website, and GOM's own words. There is absolutely NO mention of this ending starting in 2012, and the fact that it says every event after MLG Columbus would imply to me for that MLG regular season. that's because they don't have to. Thinking the agreement would carry over in 2012 was an assumption on your part. that's not gom's fault sorry. | ||
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Kieofire
United States1809 Posts
On December 15 2011 08:57 jinorazi wrote: naniwa admits he was wrong (you fans need to stop defending him). gomtv's action is justified. (what he did was wrong, no excuses). surely there's some misunderstand among everyone regarding seeds and whatnot but it doesn't change anything. move on, why is everyone splitting hair about it? Because most of the people are just here for the drama, it is so sad. | ||
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