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On December 15 2011 08:51 SC2NeCro wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 08:49 JiPrime wrote:On December 15 2011 08:48 zeru wrote:On December 15 2011 08:48 JiPrime wrote:On December 15 2011 08:46 LorDo wrote:On December 15 2011 08:41 TedJustice wrote:
Really, people don't seem to get what GOM is saying.
The Blizzard Cup spot Naniwa got IS the Code S spot he won. They are one in the same. He DID get a Code S spot from providence, and it was the Blizzard cup. It's basically Code S.
It's a tournament of the best of the best, hosted by GOMTV in korea, heavily intertwined with Code S (the top 3 code S points got seeded into it). It's just not technically called Code S. But it's all a part of the same GSL league. The winner of the Blizzard Cup still gets GSL points I believe.
For all intents and purposes, Naniwa did get his code S spot. Are you trolling? Blizzard Cup =/= Code S. He did not get it for all intents and purposes. You're wrong. Blizzard Cup = Code S It's just a different Title for GSL Dec. with different formats. No, its not the same at all. It's a separate event with no relation to GSL. Who is the damn host for the tournament? GOMTV If anything it's GSL Dec. Stop. Right now. You don't know what you are talking about. Blizz Cup is a completely different tournament and was never stated as the replacement to Code S in December. NaNiWa was awarded a Code S spot and now that was revoked because they felt like it.
You should stop right now, because it's YOU who doesn't know what you're talking about. Blizzard Cup is a special tournament in December that REPLACES GSL Dec.
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Gom is using their seat of power to edit information to fit their agenda. Noone knew about the premesis behind the code s spot before this, sounds like an after construction to fit the situation...
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On December 15 2011 08:14 Tabula`Rasa wrote:
GOM is an Asian organization. Naniwa's behavior is considered extremely disrespectful in Asian culture, particularly because NesTea ranks above Naniwa in terms of seniority. That is all. Sure, Naniwa would not have been kicked if this happened in a Western tournament, like NASL. GOM is not imposing their principles on other organisations. So why should the community impose their principles on GOM? No officially promulgated rules were broken, but respect - particularly for your elders is an unspoken one. Don't understand all this cultural imperialism. Just because something doesn't fit in your narrow Western mentality box does not make it a bad or wrong decision.
Narrow Western mentality box?
This is pure hypocrisy.
While this whole incident wouldnt have been a big thing in a western tournament, we still acknowledge that its a big deal for Asians and the general consensus on the matter is that Naniwa should be punished for it.
In the meantime, its the westerner who is apologizing, while GOM arent apologizing for the tournament format.Instead they make up some bullshit excuses to justify their actions.
Not to mention that neither GOM, nor the Korean community or Progamers are willing to consider that maybe, just maybe, that particular westerner had no freaking idea just how sensitive Asians are to such behavior.
And no, dont bring the "when in Rome'' argument, it doesnt fly in a tournament that is supposedly striving to be global and international
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On December 15 2011 08:23 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 08:19 Truthful wrote:On December 15 2011 07:34 Eppa! wrote:On December 15 2011 07:28 MiXyass wrote:
Anybody that says KESPA would've handled this situation better has no idea what they are talking about
KESPA was not only strict about what happened on their own tournaments but they were strict on what happened outside of tournaments so that the players can display the best games possible on television
If this happened under KESPA naniwa would be 100% banned forever in any korean tournament
KESPA would not punish someone for not breaking a rule. KESPA was hard on players but not close to as subjective as GomTV. Its like Singapore vs Pakistan. actually KeSPA would have banned nani for good. no need for statements afterwards. professional etiquette which includes implicit rules of sportsmanship and competition are a fucking given. KeSPA would not ban someone for probe rushing. Ask Nal_Ra. It's none of their business what strategy a player uses.
obviously not for probe rushing. but for displaying a blatant disregard of universally accepted rules of conduct in competition, yes they would.
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I don't think anybody is maliciously lying but I want to see MLG's response because the fact is they plastered it everywhere that the MLG providence winner would receive a code S spot.
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On December 15 2011 08:51 Frankon wrote:
Wasnt the GOM price for mlg providence a 2 slots in Blizzard cup compared to 1 for other tournaments?
Ps. To the people saying that GOM broke the contract. I'll ask you where are the 4 seeded koreans. Mlg didn't invite or seed any.
On December 15 2011 07:28 zeru wrote:So... Summary of code S spot: MLG invited and paid for 4 korean players to providence. http://pro.majorleaguegaming.com/news/mc-mma-bomber-and-mvp-to-mlg-providenceNaniwa officially won the code S spot by coming second according to all news posts and announcements and was never denied until...yesterday? + Show Spoiler +From MLG own site news: http://pro.majorleaguegaming.com/news/naniwas-ascension Ultimately he dropped the following four games, and despite not being crowned champion, Naniwa has presented one of the most captivating weeks imaginable, both in and out of the game. In the last week, Naniwa has rage quit of of a GSL match, flown half-way around the world, defeated the two most successful Korean Starcraft 2 players back-to-back, sparked a rivalry with Nestea, been the center of controversy in a rematch against Nestea, let a National Championship slip through his fingers and earned a seat in Code S. http://pro.majorleaguegaming.com/news/going-out-with-a-bang-mlg-providence-starcraft-2-recap Over the last few months, Naniwa has been training hard over in Korea to take his game to the next level, and his hard work appeared to pay off in Providence. The 2nd Place finish was good enough to earn him a Code S spot, so keep an eye on this MLG Champion as he goes toe-to-toe with the world's best during the offseason. http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/top-5-stories-from-mlg-providence Naniwa, however, stayed focused on his goal. Amidst swirls of tabloid drama and misguided quotes, Naniwa kept his concentration on the task at hand. When his turn to enter the bracket finally rolled around, the Swedish Protoss defeated Nestea for the second time that weekend, and followed the feat with wins over Huk and DongRaeGu. In the end Naniwa failed to seal the deal as he lost four straight games against Leenock in the Grand Finals, but appeared to be a man with a renewed determination and a refined playstyle. With the pedigree Naniwa displayed over the weekend, it's hard not to be excited about Naniwa's 2012 prospects in Code S and at Major League Gaming Events. http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/mlg-and-the-gsl-create-groundbreaking-player-exchange-program Pro Circuit Players Competing in the GSL At MLG Columbus, the Top 3 non-Korean finishers will each be placed into GSL Code A. At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows: Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, within the Top 3, regardless of country of origin, who does not already have Code S status. Code S status will not be awarded if all of the players placing 1st-3rd already have Code S Status. Code A status will be awarded to the next three highest placing non-Korean players. If Code S status is awarded to a Korean player, or not awarded at all, Code A status also will be awarded to the 4th highest placing non-Korean player. From Complexity, his team at the time: http://www.complexitygaming.com/news/3270/ Be sure to watch the GSL's Code S tournament as Naniwa secured himself a spot thanks to the MLG/GSL exchange program. http://esfiworld.com/sc2/news/naniwa-secures-top-3-finish-victory-over-huk Naniwa was able to secure a huge victory and guarantee at least a Top 3 finish in Providence. That placement will gives him a chance to secure Code S and continues the run of world class players that Naniwa has defeated over the course of the championship weekend in Providence. Edit: http://myeg.net/team/surprises-and-sadness-mlg-providence-day-3/ NaNiwa has finally reestablished himself firmly as one of the world’s top Protoss – and earned himself a Code S spot to boot. http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/nc8g6/naniwa_loses_code_s_spot/c37zdqgGOM now claims providence never actually was for a code S spot, basically breaking the agreement they had with MLG and try to cover it up with lies. also note that GOM NEVER makes announcements for the MLG code S winner. Man up and be honest GOM. This has to stop.
Please inform yourself. Thx.
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On December 15 2011 08:52 farnham wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 08:47 Chill wrote:On December 15 2011 08:43 MiXyass wrote:On December 15 2011 08:34 dAPhREAk wrote:On December 15 2011 08:33 TedJustice wrote:
Some people don't seem to understand something.
Earning a Code S seed is not a "prize" or a "right".
It's a privilege. Whether they're lying about the providence seed or not, it's entirely within their right to remove him from the tournament despite his seed.
It's not revoking a prize. The prize was him having the privilege of a code S seed, and he blew it. The privilege has been revoked.
And of course, that's all assuming they're lying that his code S seed was meant for the Blizzard cup, which I doubt.
They just never properly communicated that the Blizzard cup would count as "code S" for the purpose of providence's MLG seeds. But I don't doubt that was their intention all along. i guess receiving the prize money is a privilege as well, which they can revoke willy-nilly. give me a break. you're wrong prize money is one of the terms in the legally bounding contract between 2 parties naniwa did his part of the contract and if gomtv failed to give him the prize money, then they would be committing a felony a code s seed is also one of the terms but of a contract that has NOT YET been executed and not this contract GOMtv wasn't very satisfied with the results of a previous contract that happened betweem them and naniwa (blizzcup) and thus have voided a contract which was going to happen but never did What contract? You think everyone who enters MLG signs a legally binding contract? Come on. you think you conclude a contract only if you sign a document ?
I think last time EG signed Puma, that was the dominant theme in the community. But, I guess things are coming to a full circle now.
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On December 15 2011 08:52 mutton wrote:The following rules were not upheld at MLG Providence either: Show nested quote +MLG will invite four Korean pro players to each Pro Circuit Live Competition.
These players will be placed directly into the Championship Pools, one into each Pool.
All travel and accomodation expenses for these players will be provided by MLG. Because there were no pools at Providence, there was no exchange from GSL to MLG. (Maybe you'd consider the exchange to be the previous invites who earned enough MLG points to qualify for Providence, but by the same token, any MLG-to-GSL qualifier could continue playing in the GSL indefinitely provided they don't drop out.) This suggests that we shouldn't expect the other half of the exchange—from MLG to GSL—to go through. They obviously didn't write their rules well, so it's unclear to me whether GOM is actually lying.
oh, this is a pretty good point. both GOM and MLG were treating their final tournaments as just that, final tournaments, to conclude the year.
edit: nm, plexa comment above.
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On December 15 2011 08:50 mtn wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 08:47 dAPhREAk wrote:On December 15 2011 08:45 NipponBanzai wrote:On December 15 2011 08:41 dAPhREAk wrote:i think he meant an announcement that naniwa specifically had received code s. not a general announcement of how the system would work. there is ambiguity whether the general announcement was intended to continue in 2012 and if it was intended to continue if GOM changed its system. this, i am hoping for a statement from MLG on. ESV TV lost their code A seed when the format changed. So I'm guessing that MLG lost their seeds too? hell if i know. thats why i say wait for a response from mlg. They had only partnership for 2011. It was already posted.
They only have a partnership for MLG 2011. GomTV never stated that their part would stop after newyear.
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On December 15 2011 08:53 JiPrime wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 08:51 SC2NeCro wrote:On December 15 2011 08:49 JiPrime wrote:On December 15 2011 08:48 zeru wrote:On December 15 2011 08:48 JiPrime wrote:On December 15 2011 08:46 LorDo wrote:On December 15 2011 08:41 TedJustice wrote:
Really, people don't seem to get what GOM is saying.
The Blizzard Cup spot Naniwa got IS the Code S spot he won. They are one in the same. He DID get a Code S spot from providence, and it was the Blizzard cup. It's basically Code S.
It's a tournament of the best of the best, hosted by GOMTV in korea, heavily intertwined with Code S (the top 3 code S points got seeded into it). It's just not technically called Code S. But it's all a part of the same GSL league. The winner of the Blizzard Cup still gets GSL points I believe.
For all intents and purposes, Naniwa did get his code S spot. Are you trolling? Blizzard Cup =/= Code S. He did not get it for all intents and purposes. You're wrong. Blizzard Cup = Code S It's just a different Title for GSL Dec. with different formats. No, its not the same at all. It's a separate event with no relation to GSL. Who is the damn host for the tournament? GOMTV If anything it's GSL Dec. Stop. Right now. You don't know what you are talking about. Blizz Cup is a completely different tournament and was never stated as the replacement to Code S in December. NaNiWa was awarded a Code S spot and now that was revoked because they felt like it. You should stop right now, because it's YOU who doesn't know what you're talking about. Blizzard Cup is a special tournament in December that REPLACES GSL Dec.
Show me a quote then stating that then, otherwise stop talking and blowing smoke.
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On December 15 2011 08:49 grobo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 08:45 Ghanburighan wrote:On December 15 2011 08:27 diophan wrote:On December 15 2011 08:25 Nexic wrote:On December 15 2011 08:18 ssi.bal-listic wrote:
I think people have to realize that the contract between GSL and MLG was for 2011 (afaik). I dont think there was anything about giving highest seed in MLG a code S spot in 2012. But that doesn't make sense logically, with how the exchange program is explained in the announcement thread that Waxangel posted. It explicitly states for every MLG event in 2011 after Columbus, one code S spot would be awarded. MLG Providence occurred in 2011, and thus a Code S spot for Providence should have been awarded. It sounds more like GOM thinks that since they came up with a new format for 2012, that it voids the current arrangement/doesn't carry over into the next GSL. But I think many people here are agreeing that the code S spot for providence still should still be awarded to satisfy the original ruleset of "all MLGs in 2011, post-Columbus". It says CIRCUIT event in what he posted. I don't know what MLG's buzzwords mean, but perhaps the finals aren't considered a circuit tournament, cause the circuit is leading up to the finals? That's at least a possibility... things get translated back and forth multiple times so it's at least possible there's some legitimate confusion and not some grand scheme to dupe everyone. Yeah, this looks correct. MLG lists Dallas, Columbus, Anaheim, Raleigh and Orlando as the circuit and Providence as the national championship. Good detective work on that wording, sir! Then why would MLG themselves announce that Naniwa has recieved a Code S spot? Yeah, I didn't think about the MLG circuit not including the national finals, so that's a good thought, but it looks like MLG has published multiple articles mentioning how Naniwa won the Code S spot at providence, so that must be how that understand it, and some confusion exists.
Hopefully MLG will get to the bottom of what actually was agreed upon to clear this up. It would be pretty sweet if GOM had to honor their original agreement and include Naniwa if that happens to be the case, lol.
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On December 15 2011 08:53 SKYFISH_ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 08:14 Tabula`Rasa wrote:
GOM is an Asian organization. Naniwa's behavior is considered extremely disrespectful in Asian culture, particularly because NesTea ranks above Naniwa in terms of seniority. That is all. Sure, Naniwa would not have been kicked if this happened in a Western tournament, like NASL. GOM is not imposing their principles on other organisations. So why should the community impose their principles on GOM? No officially promulgated rules were broken, but respect - particularly for your elders is an unspoken one. Don't understand all this cultural imperialism. Just because something doesn't fit in your narrow Western mentality box does not make it a bad or wrong decision. Narrow Western mentality box? This is pure hypocrisy. While this whole incident wouldnt have been a big thing in a western tournament, we still acknowledge that its a big deal for Asians and the general consensus on the matter is that Naniwa should be punished for it. In the meantime, its the westerner who is apologizing, while GOM arent apologizing for the tournament format.Instead they make up some bullshit excuses to justify their actions. Not to mention that neither GOM, nor the Korean community or Progamers are willing to consider that maybe, just maybe, that particular westerner had no freaking idea just how sensitive Asians are to such behavior. And no, dont bring the "when in Rome'' argument, it doesnt fly in a tournament that is supposedly striving to be global and international
What general consensus?
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On December 15 2011 08:27 Zarahtra wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 08:24 Taiki wrote:
Ok, so GOM already announced some time ago that the format of GSL was going to be changed and there would be 2 foreign invites to Code S(unless I'm totally wrong) called sponsor invites or something, maybe each season.
MLGs exchange program only lasts out 2011.
Now isn't it obvious that due to the format change that the 2012 seeds would have to be worked out differently from 2011 since the GSL seasons now are much longer? Is it just something I'm not seeing?
If it's so obvious, surely they should've say.... told MLG that they were going back on the deal so MLG could not put 4 koreans in their pool, made a statement, done something rather than afterwards saying "lololo we are changing the system, surely you must've known about it, code s actually means blizzard cup!".
Let me clarify what I think. We already know some time ago that every single season of GSL would be longer so that we only we only had 5 seasons a year. Now there has been 6 MLG Pro Circuit this year, just for the sake of the argument, lets assume that we'll have 6 MLGs next year as well.
Now, this year (2011) it's been all fine and dandy since we pretty much have a GSL every month, therefore one could squeeze in all the MLG invites, including the Code S spot the deserving.
Next year (2012) theres going to be 5 GSL's and lets say 6 MLGs (I sincerely doubt we'll see less). That doesn't add up at all especially if one get seeded from this last MLG. You'll always have a person seeded into the next year (assuming top 3 didn't were all Code S) which must be accounted, because fuck, he won an MLG right?
That doesn't work. If GSL for example decides to get rid of the whole seeding system and send everyone through hell (Code B) next year. Exactly how is seeding from the last MLG going to work assuming the Code S is full at the time? Yes yes I know there probably is some way to get the player into Up&downs, but the persons fans are still going to butthurt if said person fails to qualify and blame the formate and say "Why wasn't he seeded into Code S!?!?"
In any case. I basically think that the new GSL formate is good and the way players are going to be seeded will be good as well when you think about the future of how the league is going to work out. I also think that GOM delt with the seeding issue quite efficiently if they didn't hand out a seed for Providence.
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On December 15 2011 08:49 JiPrime wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 08:48 zeru wrote:On December 15 2011 08:48 JiPrime wrote:On December 15 2011 08:46 LorDo wrote:On December 15 2011 08:41 TedJustice wrote:
Really, people don't seem to get what GOM is saying.
The Blizzard Cup spot Naniwa got IS the Code S spot he won. They are one in the same. He DID get a Code S spot from providence, and it was the Blizzard cup. It's basically Code S.
It's a tournament of the best of the best, hosted by GOMTV in korea, heavily intertwined with Code S (the top 3 code S points got seeded into it). It's just not technically called Code S. But it's all a part of the same GSL league. The winner of the Blizzard Cup still gets GSL points I believe.
For all intents and purposes, Naniwa did get his code S spot. Are you trolling? Blizzard Cup =/= Code S. He did not get it for all intents and purposes. You're wrong. Blizzard Cup = Code S It's just a different Title for GSL Dec. with different formats. No, its not the same at all. It's a separate event with no relation to GSL. Who is the damn host for the tournament? GOMTV If anything it's GSL Dec.
Code S tournament is a specific format for 32 players with specific prizes. Blizzard cup is a different format for 10 players with weird seeding and different prizes. Code S status plainly isn't the same as a spot in the Blizzard cup. Namely, Code S status is something you can renew by performing well enough in the tournament. I don't think this is a point of controversy. Something to argue about is whether Naniwa actually earned Code S. For this, I think we just have to wait for more announcements as there appears to have been miscommunication.
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On December 15 2011 08:53 grobo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 08:51 Ghanburighan wrote:On December 15 2011 08:48 Vorenius wrote:On December 15 2011 08:46 Kieofire wrote:On December 15 2011 08:43 Vorenius wrote:On December 15 2011 08:40 JiPrime wrote:But that's MLG's, not GOMTV's. It could be that MLG misunderstood what GOMTV said. I say we wait for MLG's statement. Here is GOM saying the same: http://www.gomtv.net/2011gslsponsors3/news/65291 But GOM says the 2011 season. The next Code S is in 2012, so yeah. They are saying a Code S spot will be the reward of every MLG in 2011. Providence was in 2011 so according to that post, a Code S spot should be rewarded to Naniwa. As was said before, the announcements on both websites said EVERY MLG CIRCUIT, which has a constrained reading in which the national championship in Providence is excluded as MLG lists circuit events as those that led up to Providence... Since you ignored my question the last time. Why does MLG themselves tell us that Naniwa has earned a Code S spot?
My guess is that GOM thought circuit means circuit ie not Providence but MLG though otherwise, and no one high enough at GOM was told about what was people were saying in English about Naniwa being guaranteed a Code S spot rather than just being in consideration for it.
Is this a pretty big oversight? Yeah, but I don't think it's unfathomable.
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On December 15 2011 08:52 MasterBlasterCaster wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 08:51 oxxo wrote:On December 15 2011 08:47 Crisco wrote:On December 15 2011 08:41 strongandbig wrote:
Gom really making it clear here that when Korean and western cultural standards and expectations disagree, they will choose the Korean side. I guess we should have expected that. But all of that stuff about honor and codes of conduct are completely alien to me. Professional athletes are some of the most spoiled and dishonorable people in the world. We watch them because of their skill, not because they want to please us.
Oh, also it sounds like what I've been saying for a while is true - gom just unilaterally canceled the mlg exchange program. I hope mlg shows an equal leek of "respect" to the gsl and stops inviting Koreans straight I to group play. Or at least stops letting directly invited Koreans earn rank points without playing through the open racket like everyone else. Well, isnt it obvious that in cultural standards a Korean-hosted tournament in Korea will follow Korean standards? Besides, korean sense of professionalism has been for the most part, a good thing. If you watch them for the skill, then you should be mad at Naniwa for not displaying it. He just kinda lost his spot more than never being given it, I guess. This isn't a matter of Korean vs Western culture. This is simply a matter of professionalism. I'd venture a guess that the people up in arms about this have never had a 'real' job before. I'd venture a guess that you've watched too much AirBud and Rudy and are too young to have lost that bs idealism.
That is a typically stupid response to go and question a whole bunch of people's worth ethic because they share a point of view different to you. We don't all agree in 'punish first explain it 3 times after the fact" GOM didn't even officially announce it, it was announced to us here at TL and then by forumgoers at reddit.
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On December 15 2011 08:44 zeru wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 08:40 staavros wrote:On December 15 2011 08:27 diophan wrote:On December 15 2011 08:25 Nexic wrote:On December 15 2011 08:18 ssi.bal-listic wrote:
I think people have to realize that the contract between GSL and MLG was for 2011 (afaik). I dont think there was anything about giving highest seed in MLG a code S spot in 2012. But that doesn't make sense logically, with how the exchange program is explained in the announcement thread that Waxangel posted. It explicitly states for every MLG event in 2011 after Columbus, one code S spot would be awarded. MLG Providence occurred in 2011, and thus a Code S spot for Providence should have been awarded. It sounds more like GOM thinks that since they came up with a new format for 2012, that it voids the current arrangement/doesn't carry over into the next GSL. But I think many people here are agreeing that the code S spot for providence still should still be awarded to satisfy the original ruleset of "all MLGs in 2011, post-Columbus". It says CIRCUIT event in what he posted. I don't know what MLG's buzzwords mean, but perhaps the finals aren't considered a circuit tournament, cause the circuit is leading up to the finals? That's at least a possibility... things get translated back and forth multiple times so it's at least possible there's some legitimate confusion and not some grand scheme to dupe everyone. This is indeed a possibility that's why I am anticipating the MLG statement full of hope. It has to be said, though, that almost every person in the SC community has, these last weeks, taken for granted that naniwa now has code S status and GOM never cleared up the confusion. It was even announced formally by their partners, MLG. That's why many, including me, seriously doubt that everything was done according to the rules. I have to say almost nobody says there was a grand scheme. Most of us (us = people disliking GOM's statement) are bothered by the fact that GOM are trying to sell the story of "deciding to not offer naniwa a code S spot", while clearly they decided to take away his code S spot. I disliked what naniwa did, so if GOM had at least taken full responsibility for directly punishing naniwa, I would at leas respect the decision, although I think that either way it's too harsh. But unfortunately, it seems to be much worse than just a harsh decision. http://pro.majorleaguegaming.com/news/naniwas-ascensionShow nested quote +In the last week, Naniwa has rage quit of of a GSL match, flown half-way around the world, defeated the two most successful Korean Starcraft 2 players back-to-back, sparked a rivalry with Nestea, been the center of controversy in a rematch against Nestea, let a National Championship slip through his fingers and earned a seat in Code S. http://pro.majorleaguegaming.com/news/going-out-with-a-bang-mlg-providence-starcraft-2-recapShow nested quote +Over the last few months, Naniwa has been training hard over in Korea to take his game to the next level, and his hard work appeared to pay off in Providence. The 2nd Place finish was good enough to earn him a Code S spot, so keep an eye on this MLG Champion as he goes toe-to-toe with the world's best during the offseason.
I am saying the things that are mentioned in the links you post 
I think we agree
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I support you 100% Mr Chae, May all major tournaments take a similar stance!
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On December 15 2011 08:55 SC2NeCro wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 08:53 JiPrime wrote:On December 15 2011 08:51 SC2NeCro wrote:On December 15 2011 08:49 JiPrime wrote:On December 15 2011 08:48 zeru wrote:On December 15 2011 08:48 JiPrime wrote:On December 15 2011 08:46 LorDo wrote:On December 15 2011 08:41 TedJustice wrote:
Really, people don't seem to get what GOM is saying.
The Blizzard Cup spot Naniwa got IS the Code S spot he won. They are one in the same. He DID get a Code S spot from providence, and it was the Blizzard cup. It's basically Code S.
It's a tournament of the best of the best, hosted by GOMTV in korea, heavily intertwined with Code S (the top 3 code S points got seeded into it). It's just not technically called Code S. But it's all a part of the same GSL league. The winner of the Blizzard Cup still gets GSL points I believe.
For all intents and purposes, Naniwa did get his code S spot. Are you trolling? Blizzard Cup =/= Code S. He did not get it for all intents and purposes. You're wrong. Blizzard Cup = Code S It's just a different Title for GSL Dec. with different formats. No, its not the same at all. It's a separate event with no relation to GSL. Who is the damn host for the tournament? GOMTV If anything it's GSL Dec. Stop. Right now. You don't know what you are talking about. Blizz Cup is a completely different tournament and was never stated as the replacement to Code S in December. NaNiWa was awarded a Code S spot and now that was revoked because they felt like it. You should stop right now, because it's YOU who doesn't know what you're talking about. Blizzard Cup is a special tournament in December that REPLACES GSL Dec. Show me a quote then stating that then, otherwise stop talking and blowing smoke.
Show me a quote stating that Blizzard Cup has no relation to GSL, otherwise stop talking and blowing smoke.
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