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On December 15 2011 08:47 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 08:45 NipponBanzai wrote:On December 15 2011 08:41 dAPhREAk wrote:i think he meant an announcement that naniwa specifically had received code s. not a general announcement of how the system would work. there is ambiguity whether the general announcement was intended to continue in 2012 and if it was intended to continue if GOM changed its system. this, i am hoping for a statement from MLG on. ESV TV lost their code A seed when the format changed. So I'm guessing that MLG lost their seeds too? hell if i know. thats why i say wait for a response from mlg.
They had only partnership for 2011. It was already posted.
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On December 15 2011 08:47 Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 08:43 MiXyass wrote:On December 15 2011 08:34 dAPhREAk wrote:On December 15 2011 08:33 TedJustice wrote:
Some people don't seem to understand something.
Earning a Code S seed is not a "prize" or a "right".
It's a privilege. Whether they're lying about the providence seed or not, it's entirely within their right to remove him from the tournament despite his seed.
It's not revoking a prize. The prize was him having the privilege of a code S seed, and he blew it. The privilege has been revoked.
And of course, that's all assuming they're lying that his code S seed was meant for the Blizzard cup, which I doubt.
They just never properly communicated that the Blizzard cup would count as "code S" for the purpose of providence's MLG seeds. But I don't doubt that was their intention all along. i guess receiving the prize money is a privilege as well, which they can revoke willy-nilly. give me a break. you're wrong prize money is one of the terms in the legally bounding contract between 2 parties naniwa did his part of the contract and if gomtv failed to give him the prize money, then they would be committing a felony a code s seed is also one of the terms but of a contract that has NOT YET been executed and not this contract GOMtv wasn't very satisfied with the results of a previous contract that happened betweem them and naniwa (blizzcup) and thus have voided a contract which was going to happen but never did What contract? You think everyone who enters MLG signs a legally binding contract? Come on.
well, this guy is an idiot, but you don't need to sign a "legally binding contract" to create a legally binding contract. they offered to give him prize money / code s (although there is a dispute about that) if he won. by winning (second), he accepted and completed the terms of the contract (i.e., it was fully performed). he was legally entitled to what they promised on a contract theory.
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If there are seeds for international players, why didn't Huk get one?
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On December 15 2011 08:49 JiPrime wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 08:48 zeru wrote:On December 15 2011 08:48 JiPrime wrote:On December 15 2011 08:46 LorDo wrote:On December 15 2011 08:41 TedJustice wrote:
Really, people don't seem to get what GOM is saying.
The Blizzard Cup spot Naniwa got IS the Code S spot he won. They are one in the same. He DID get a Code S spot from providence, and it was the Blizzard cup. It's basically Code S.
It's a tournament of the best of the best, hosted by GOMTV in korea, heavily intertwined with Code S (the top 3 code S points got seeded into it). It's just not technically called Code S. But it's all a part of the same GSL league. The winner of the Blizzard Cup still gets GSL points I believe.
For all intents and purposes, Naniwa did get his code S spot. Are you trolling? Blizzard Cup =/= Code S. He did not get it for all intents and purposes. You're wrong. Blizzard Cup = Code S It's just a different Title for GSL Dec. with different formats. No, its not the same at all. It's a separate event with no relation to GSL. Who is the damn host for the tournament? GOMTV If anything it's GSL Dec.
Stop. Right now. You don't know what you are talking about. Blizz Cup is a completely different tournament and was never stated as the replacement to Code S in December. NaNiWa was awarded a Code S spot and now that was revoked because they felt like it.
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Wasnt the GOM price for mlg providence a 2 slots in Blizzard cup compared to 1 for other tournaments?
Ps. To the people saying that GOM broke the contract. I'll ask you where are the 4 seeded koreans. Mlg didn't invite or seed any.
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On December 15 2011 08:48 Vorenius wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 08:46 Kieofire wrote:On December 15 2011 08:43 Vorenius wrote:On December 15 2011 08:40 JiPrime wrote:But that's MLG's, not GOMTV's. It could be that MLG misunderstood what GOMTV said. I say we wait for MLG's statement. Here is GOM saying the same: http://www.gomtv.net/2011gslsponsors3/news/65291 But GOM says the 2011 season. The next Code S is in 2012, so yeah. They are saying a Code S spot will be the reward of every MLG in 2011. Providence was in 2011 so according to that post, a Code S spot should be rewarded to Naniwa.
As was said before, the announcements on both websites said EVERY MLG CIRCUIT, which has a constrained reading in which the national championship in Providence is excluded as MLG lists circuit events as those that led up to Providence...
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On December 15 2011 08:48 JiPrime wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 08:46 LorDo wrote:On December 15 2011 08:41 TedJustice wrote:
Really, people don't seem to get what GOM is saying.
The Blizzard Cup spot Naniwa got IS the Code S spot he won. They are one in the same. He DID get a Code S spot from providence, and it was the Blizzard cup. It's basically Code S.
It's a tournament of the best of the best, hosted by GOMTV in korea, heavily intertwined with Code S (the top 3 code S points got seeded into it). It's just not technically called Code S. But it's all a part of the same GSL league. The winner of the Blizzard Cup still gets GSL points I believe.
For all intents and purposes, Naniwa did get his code S spot. Are you trolling? Blizzard Cup =/= Code S. He did not get it for all intents and purposes. You're wrong. Blizzard Cup = Code S It's just a different Title for GSL Dec. with different formats.
No, Blizz Cup is not Code S. Code S means that you're in a tournament with many seasons and if you perform reasonably well, you can also join the next season, and the one after that, etc... For someone who wants to stay in Korea to compete with the best, that is infinitely more valuable than a one-shot invitational like the Blizzard Cup.
There have been GOM-run tournaments before that had no effect on future GSL seasons: The World Championship, the Super Tournament. These are just "extra" tournaments and not part of the regular GSL seasons. Performing well in them is nice, but doesn't give you a better starting position in the next one.
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On December 15 2011 08:47 Crisco wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 08:41 strongandbig wrote:
Gom really making it clear here that when Korean and western cultural standards and expectations disagree, they will choose the Korean side. I guess we should have expected that. But all of that stuff about honor and codes of conduct are completely alien to me. Professional athletes are some of the most spoiled and dishonorable people in the world. We watch them because of their skill, not because they want to please us.
Oh, also it sounds like what I've been saying for a while is true - gom just unilaterally canceled the mlg exchange program. I hope mlg shows an equal leek of "respect" to the gsl and stops inviting Koreans straight I to group play. Or at least stops letting directly invited Koreans earn rank points without playing through the open racket like everyone else. Well, isnt it obvious that in cultural standards a Korean-hosted tournament in Korea will follow Korean standards? Besides, korean sense of professionalism has been for the most part, a good thing. If you watch them for the skill, then you should be mad at Naniwa for not displaying it. He just kinda lost his spot more than never being given it, I guess.
This isn't a matter of Korean vs Western culture. This is simply a matter of professionalism. I'd venture a guess that the people up in arms about this have never had a 'real' job before.
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On December 15 2011 08:43 MiXyass wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 08:34 dAPhREAk wrote:On December 15 2011 08:33 TedJustice wrote:
Some people don't seem to understand something.
Earning a Code S seed is not a "prize" or a "right".
It's a privilege. Whether they're lying about the providence seed or not, it's entirely within their right to remove him from the tournament despite his seed.
It's not revoking a prize. The prize was him having the privilege of a code S seed, and he blew it. The privilege has been revoked.
And of course, that's all assuming they're lying that his code S seed was meant for the Blizzard cup, which I doubt.
They just never properly communicated that the Blizzard cup would count as "code S" for the purpose of providence's MLG seeds. But I don't doubt that was their intention all along. i guess receiving the prize money is a privilege as well, which they can revoke willy-nilly. give me a break. you're wrong prize money is one of the terms in the legally bounding contract between 2 parties naniwa did his part of the contract and if gomtv failed to give him the prize money, then they would be committing a felony a code s seed is also one of the terms but of a contract that has NOT YET been executed and not this contract GOMtv wasn't very satisfied with the results of a previous contract that happened betweem them and naniwa (blizzcup) and thus have voided a contract which was going to happen but never did
Being in the ro32's prize money is more than code A. So there is money involved. Idiot.
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On December 15 2011 08:48 Draksunen wrote:I dont think I will pay GSL ticket for few seasons because of this. They should not enforce rules that they havent told to anybody. 
Ya i was surprised at the action taken because I never saw anything wrong, PERIOD. Anyone who paid for the tournament in HQ and thinks they god ripped off, SHUT UP! because you were treated to 3 additional games on the same night, which probably wouldn't have happened if NaNiwa had gone on to paly a complete game
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On December 15 2011 08:31 farnham wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 08:29 ScareCrow` wrote:
"Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, within the Top 3, regardless of country of origin, who does not already have Code S status."
Is the only line that matters. Leenock had code S. Naniwa got second. He earned it. at the same time through naniwas actions gom was entitled to terminate the current contractual relationship between them and naniwa which is essentially what they did. they could also refuse doing business with him but they choose not to do so which i find very generous from gom Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 08:28 the bruvler wrote:On December 15 2011 08:24 Romulox wrote:
GOMTV is going to take a hit from this. Also there being so many reports on Nani getting code S after MLG and no one at GOM ever said anything until now? Dont think the community is going to buy that either. Certainly. Remember the only way for us to really speak is with our wallets. It's important that we send a strong message to GOM that this kind of slimy rule-bending won't be tolerated by the community. where is the rule bending ?
But thats the thing, they acknowledge that he didn't break any explicit rules, and decided instead to say that they had no contractual relations with Naniwa. Personally, if they came and said straight that they banned him for misbehavior, I would have no problem with it, but the fact that they started to twist facts to look better, and in doing so deceive public at large, is what concerns me.
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Thank you GOM, great statement and, as far as I'm concerned, the right decision.
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The following rules were not upheld at MLG Providence either:
MLG will invite four Korean pro players to each Pro Circuit Live Competition.
These players will be placed directly into the Championship Pools, one into each Pool.
All travel and accomodation expenses for these players will be provided by MLG.
Because there were no pools at Providence, there was no exchange from GSL to MLG. (Maybe you'd consider the exchange to be the previous invites who earned enough MLG points to qualify for Providence, but by the same token, any MLG-to-GSL qualifier could continue playing in the GSL indefinitely provided they don't drop out.) This suggests that we shouldn't expect the other half of the exchange—from MLG to GSL—to go through. They obviously didn't write their rules well, so it's unclear to me whether GOM is actually lying.
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On December 15 2011 08:49 JiPrime wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 08:48 zeru wrote:On December 15 2011 08:48 JiPrime wrote:On December 15 2011 08:46 LorDo wrote:On December 15 2011 08:41 TedJustice wrote:
Really, people don't seem to get what GOM is saying.
The Blizzard Cup spot Naniwa got IS the Code S spot he won. They are one in the same. He DID get a Code S spot from providence, and it was the Blizzard cup. It's basically Code S.
It's a tournament of the best of the best, hosted by GOMTV in korea, heavily intertwined with Code S (the top 3 code S points got seeded into it). It's just not technically called Code S. But it's all a part of the same GSL league. The winner of the Blizzard Cup still gets GSL points I believe.
For all intents and purposes, Naniwa did get his code S spot. Are you trolling? Blizzard Cup =/= Code S. He did not get it for all intents and purposes. You're wrong. Blizzard Cup = Code S It's just a different Title for GSL Dec. with different formats. No, its not the same at all. It's a separate event with no relation to GSL. Who is the damn host for the tournament? GOMTV If anything it's GSL Dec.
This is like saying that the GSL World Championships were code S. They're not, they're special events run by GomTV.net like the Blizzard Cup.
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Kinda lacks an apology for their retarded tournament format.
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On December 15 2011 08:50 darkness wrote:
If there are seeds for international players, why didn't Huk get one?
The international seeds part in the screenshot i linked, are directly into the up/down matches... something that Huk is already in...
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On December 15 2011 08:47 Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 08:43 MiXyass wrote:On December 15 2011 08:34 dAPhREAk wrote:On December 15 2011 08:33 TedJustice wrote:
Some people don't seem to understand something.
Earning a Code S seed is not a "prize" or a "right".
It's a privilege. Whether they're lying about the providence seed or not, it's entirely within their right to remove him from the tournament despite his seed.
It's not revoking a prize. The prize was him having the privilege of a code S seed, and he blew it. The privilege has been revoked.
And of course, that's all assuming they're lying that his code S seed was meant for the Blizzard cup, which I doubt.
They just never properly communicated that the Blizzard cup would count as "code S" for the purpose of providence's MLG seeds. But I don't doubt that was their intention all along. i guess receiving the prize money is a privilege as well, which they can revoke willy-nilly. give me a break. you're wrong prize money is one of the terms in the legally bounding contract between 2 parties naniwa did his part of the contract and if gomtv failed to give him the prize money, then they would be committing a felony a code s seed is also one of the terms but of a contract that has NOT YET been executed and not this contract GOMtv wasn't very satisfied with the results of a previous contract that happened betweem them and naniwa (blizzcup) and thus have voided a contract which was going to happen but never did What contract? You think everyone who enters MLG signs a legally binding contract? Come on.
you think you conclude a contract only if you sign a document ?
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On December 15 2011 08:51 oxxo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 08:47 Crisco wrote:On December 15 2011 08:41 strongandbig wrote:
Gom really making it clear here that when Korean and western cultural standards and expectations disagree, they will choose the Korean side. I guess we should have expected that. But all of that stuff about honor and codes of conduct are completely alien to me. Professional athletes are some of the most spoiled and dishonorable people in the world. We watch them because of their skill, not because they want to please us.
Oh, also it sounds like what I've been saying for a while is true - gom just unilaterally canceled the mlg exchange program. I hope mlg shows an equal leek of "respect" to the gsl and stops inviting Koreans straight I to group play. Or at least stops letting directly invited Koreans earn rank points without playing through the open racket like everyone else. Well, isnt it obvious that in cultural standards a Korean-hosted tournament in Korea will follow Korean standards? Besides, korean sense of professionalism has been for the most part, a good thing. If you watch them for the skill, then you should be mad at Naniwa for not displaying it. He just kinda lost his spot more than never being given it, I guess. This isn't a matter of Korean vs Western culture. This is simply a matter of professionalism. I'd venture a guess that the people up in arms about this have never had a 'real' job before.
I'd venture a guess that you've watched too much AirBud and Rudy and are too young to have lost that bs idealism.
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On December 15 2011 08:44 dp wrote:You know I was talking about an official announcement on THEIR website, congratulating or referencing the fact.
What the hell, do you understand they never congratulated the other people who earned a code S spot either? You're ridiculous.
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On December 15 2011 08:51 Ghanburighan wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 08:48 Vorenius wrote:On December 15 2011 08:46 Kieofire wrote:On December 15 2011 08:43 Vorenius wrote:On December 15 2011 08:40 JiPrime wrote:But that's MLG's, not GOMTV's. It could be that MLG misunderstood what GOMTV said. I say we wait for MLG's statement. Here is GOM saying the same: http://www.gomtv.net/2011gslsponsors3/news/65291 But GOM says the 2011 season. The next Code S is in 2012, so yeah. They are saying a Code S spot will be the reward of every MLG in 2011. Providence was in 2011 so according to that post, a Code S spot should be rewarded to Naniwa. As was said before, the announcements on both websites said EVERY MLG CIRCUIT, which has a constrained reading in which the national championship in Providence is excluded as MLG lists circuit events as those that led up to Providence...
Since you ignored my question the last time.
Why does MLG themselves tell us that Naniwa has earned a Code S spot?
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