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dp
United States234 Posts
On December 15 2011 08:38 Bumblebee wrote: Yep, I will. Check this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=295033¤tpage=37#739 You know I was talking about an official announcement on THEIR website, congratulating or referencing the fact. | ||
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Rucky
United States717 Posts
"Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, regardless of country of origin, who doesn't already have Code S status. Code A status will be awarded to the next three highest placing non-Korean players. If Code S status is awarded to a Korean player, or not awarded at all, Code A status also will be awarded to the 4th highest placing non-Korean player." What it reads to mean is that the highest placing player without code S gets it, i.e. Naniwa is awarded code S. But then reading further, there's the line that says or not awarded at all. If the meaning of the bold part is correct, that conditions should never be met. There will always be a highest placed player who doesn't have code S, even if they were placed 7th or 8th or 16th..., assuming all the places above them have code s already. The only way to make sense of code S not being awarded at all is that they actually meant highest placed player gets code S if they don't have one already. If they do, then no code S is awarded and the rest of the conditional applies. Could it be possible that whoever wrote that announcement made a mistake in writing? The quoted announcement to me is just not clear enough which many people keep citing in this thread. The above is from: http://www.gomtv.net/2011gslsponsors3/news/65291 From mlg: http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/mlg-and-the-gsl-create-groundbreaking-player-exchange-program There's an MLG one that adds "within the top 3" so under MLG's announcement Naniwa gets code S, and under GomTV's it is unclear and contradictory in meaning. | ||
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Deleted User 137586
7859 Posts
On December 15 2011 08:27 diophan wrote: It says CIRCUIT event in what he posted. I don't know what MLG's buzzwords mean, but perhaps the finals aren't considered a circuit tournament, cause the circuit is leading up to the finals? That's at least a possibility... things get translated back and forth multiple times so it's at least possible there's some legitimate confusion and not some grand scheme to dupe everyone. Yeah, this looks correct. MLG lists Dallas, Columbus, Anaheim, Raleigh and Orlando as the circuit and Providence as the national championship. Good detective work on that wording, sir! | ||
520
United States2822 Posts
On December 15 2011 08:44 dp wrote: You know I was talking about an official announcement on THEIR website, congratulating or referencing the fact. They never congratulated or referenced the winners of previous Code S spots from MLGs. Does that make them any less legitimate? | ||
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Shortynut
Australia78 Posts
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Uracil
Germany422 Posts
What a joke.So when MLG said multiple times after Providence that Naniwa earned his Code S spot through top 3 finished they were lying or were missinformed or what. Hope that MLG makes a statement about this mess. | ||
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NipponBanzai
Canada518 Posts
On December 15 2011 08:41 dAPhREAk wrote: i think he meant an announcement that naniwa specifically had received code s. not a general announcement of how the system would work. there is ambiguity whether the general announcement was intended to continue in 2012 and if it was intended to continue if GOM changed its system. this, i am hoping for a statement from MLG on. ESV TV lost their code A seed when the format changed. So I'm guessing that MLG lost their seeds too? | ||
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[NSL]BansheeHero
Czech Republic143 Posts
On December 15 2011 08:33 Bumblebee wrote: I don't really have anything to say than this particular punishment of NaNiwa, and reasoning for it, is a joke. They realized they cant punish him since he didnt break any rules. So they are trying if this will work. | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On December 15 2011 08:43 MiXyass wrote: you're wrong prize money is one of the terms in the legally bounding contract between 2 parties naniwa did his part of the contract and if gomtv failed to give him the prize money, then they would be committing a felony a code s seed is also one of the terms but of a contract that has NOT YET been executed and not this contract GOMtv wasn't very satisfied with the results of a previous contract that happened betweem them and naniwa (blizzcup) and thus have voided a contract which was going to happen but never did wtf. seriously, wtf? so, they promise money, and thats a legally enforceable contract subject to a felony (lolololol), but if they promise a code s spot, thats just a privilege??? sigh.... | ||
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Executor1
1353 Posts
On December 15 2011 08:33 Bumblebee wrote: I don't really have anything to say than this particular punishment of NaNiwa, and reasoning for it, is a joke. Naniwa was awarded a spot in the blizzard cup, a tournament in which there is less money but a much greater chance of winning, gomtv has stated this from the begining, on top of that they were willing to give him a seed as one of the 2 foreigner for code s until this incident and they have every right to revoke it. | ||
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Kazeyonoma
United States2912 Posts
On December 15 2011 08:42 eYeball wrote: Another user posted this: Stop quoting Paladia, nothing in his post is truth, he has nothing to back this, no sources, and the question you were referring to asked for PROOF THAT NANIWA GOT AWARDED CODE S by official GOM SOURCES. nothing you quoted, answers that. | ||
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Sub40APM
6336 Posts
On December 15 2011 08:43 MiXyass wrote: you're wrong prize money is one of the terms in the legally bounding contract between 2 parties naniwa did his part of the contract and if gomtv failed to give him the prize money, then they would be committing a felony a code s seed is also one of the terms but of a contract that has NOT YET been executed and not this contract GOMtv wasn't very satisfied with the results of a previous contract that happened betweem them and naniwa (blizzcup) and thus have voided a contract which was going to happen but never did Take it easy legal eagle. Breaking a contract is not a felony. Contract Law --> Civil law. Felony -- > Criminal Law. | ||
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farnham
1378 Posts
On December 15 2011 08:41 strongandbig wrote: Gom really making it clear here that when Korean and western cultural standards and expectations disagree, they will choose the Korean side. I guess we should have expected that. But all of that stuff about honor and codes of conduct are completely alien to me. Professional athletes are some of the most spoiled and dishonorable people in the world. We watch them because of their skill, not because they want to please us. Oh, also it sounds like what I've been saying for a while is true - gom just unilaterally canceled the mlg exchange program. I hope mlg shows an equal leek of "respect" to the gsl and stops inviting Koreans straight I to group play. Or at least stops letting directly invited Koreans earn rank points without playing through the open racket like everyone else. are you kidding me ? if you breach contractual obligations in a severe way like naniwa did the other party is entitled to terminate the contract in pretty much every civil law system around this world. and playing the way naniwa did in a tournament where money is awarded for gameplay would be considered faulty performance in pretty much every civil law system aruond this world as well. this has nothing to do with culture. | ||
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Ricemagical
270 Posts
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ZergX
France436 Posts
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JiPrime
Canada688 Posts
On December 15 2011 08:43 Vorenius wrote: Here is GOM saying the same: http://www.gomtv.net/2011gslsponsors3/news/65291 "Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, regardless of country of origin, who doesn't already have Code S status." Naniwa already got his Code S seed, which is the spot in Blizzard Cup. | ||
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Kieofire
United States1809 Posts
On December 15 2011 08:43 Vorenius wrote: Here is GOM saying the same: http://www.gomtv.net/2011gslsponsors3/news/65291 But GOM says the 2011 season. The next Code S is in 2012, so yeah. | ||
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ExO_
United States2316 Posts
There needs to be a public outcry over this. particularly this part At MLG Columbus, the Top 3 non-Korean finishers will each be placed into GSL Code A. At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus (Providence was obviously an MLG event in the 2011 season after Columbus), GSL placement will occur as follows: Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, regardless of country of origin, who doesn't already have Code S status. Code A status will be awarded to the next 3 highest placing non-Korean players. If Code S status is awarded to a Korean player, Code A status also will be awarded to the 4th highest placing non-Korean player. This is the GOMtv website, and GOM's own words. There is absolutely NO mention of this ending starting in 2012, and the fact that it says every event after MLG Columbus would imply to me for that MLG regular season. Whether or not you agree with what Naniwa shouldn't matter here. GOM is not following what they themselves promised. Will we hold them accountable? edit: quoting system doesn't seem to work the same as on most websites with bb code xD | ||
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LorDo
Sweden485 Posts
On December 15 2011 08:41 TedJustice wrote: Really, people don't seem to get what GOM is saying. The Blizzard Cup spot Naniwa got IS the Code S spot he won. They are one in the same. He DID get a Code S spot from providence, and it was the Blizzard cup. It's basically Code S. It's a tournament of the best of the best, hosted by GOMTV in korea, heavily intertwined with Code S (the top 3 code S points got seeded into it). It's just not technically called Code S. But it's all a part of the same GSL league. The winner of the Blizzard Cup still gets GSL points I believe. For all intents and purposes, Naniwa did get his code S spot. Are you trolling? Blizzard Cup =/= Code S. He did not get it for all intents and purposes. You're wrong. | ||
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Vorenius
Denmark1979 Posts
On December 15 2011 08:44 dp wrote: You know I was talking about an official announcement on THEIR website, congratulating or referencing the fact. Such a link has been provided plenty of times in this thread al ready http://www.gomtv.net/2011gslsponsors3/news/65291 | ||
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