EPTFor example, compare Sweden vs Korea social culture. Koreans are most nice, polite, timid, and have strict rules in how their social paradigm is structured. Sweden on the other hand, it is socially acceptable to swear in the media, to say the "F Word" is acceptable. (I.E. Jinro has said it a few times in GSL) This is normal to them, and they should be judged accordingly. If foreigners are to be in Korea (which is what I want, I DO NOT want what happened to BW to happen again) they have to be more accepting and understanding, and not just govern based on their rules and society standards.
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Slardar
Canada7593 Posts
For example, compare Sweden vs Korea social culture. Koreans are most nice, polite, timid, and have strict rules in how their social paradigm is structured. Sweden on the other hand, it is socially acceptable to swear in the media, to say the "F Word" is acceptable. (I.E. Jinro has said it a few times in GSL) This is normal to them, and they should be judged accordingly. If foreigners are to be in Korea (which is what I want, I DO NOT want what happened to BW to happen again) they have to be more accepting and understanding, and not just govern based on their rules and society standards. | ||
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Crisco
1170 Posts
On December 15 2011 08:41 strongandbig wrote: Gom really making it clear here that when Korean and western cultural standards and expectations disagree, they will choose the Korean side. I guess we should have expected that. But all of that stuff about honor and codes of conduct are completely alien to me. Professional athletes are some of the most spoiled and dishonorable people in the world. We watch them because of their skill, not because they want to please us. Oh, also it sounds like what I've been saying for a while is true - gom just unilaterally canceled the mlg exchange program. I hope mlg shows an equal leek of "respect" to the gsl and stops inviting Koreans straight I to group play. Or at least stops letting directly invited Koreans earn rank points without playing through the open racket like everyone else. Well, isnt it obvious that in cultural standards a Korean-hosted tournament in Korea will follow Korean standards? Besides, korean sense of professionalism has been for the most part, a good thing. If you watch them for the skill, then you should be mad at Naniwa for not displaying it. He just kinda lost his spot more than never being given it, I guess. | ||
Chill
Calgary25980 Posts
On December 15 2011 08:43 MiXyass wrote: you're wrong prize money is one of the terms in the legally bounding contract between 2 parties naniwa did his part of the contract and if gomtv failed to give him the prize money, then they would be committing a felony a code s seed is also one of the terms but of a contract that has NOT YET been executed and not this contract GOMtv wasn't very satisfied with the results of a previous contract that happened betweem them and naniwa (blizzcup) and thus have voided a contract which was going to happen but never did What contract? You think everyone who enters MLG signs a legally binding contract? Come on. | ||
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m0ck
4194 Posts
On December 15 2011 08:41 TedJustice wrote: Really, people don't seem to get what GOM is saying. The Blizzard Cup spot Naniwa got IS the Code S spot he won. They are one in the same. He DID get a Code S spot from providence, and it was the Blizzard cup. It's basically Code S. It's a tournament of the best of the best, hosted by GOMTV in korea, heavily intertwined with Code S (the top 3 code S points got seeded into it). It's just not technically called Code S. But it's all a part of the same GSL league. The winner of the Blizzard Cup still gets GSL points I believe. For all intents and purposes, Naniwa did get his code S spot. Haha, yeah that makes sense! When GOM wrote on their homepage that every MLG event in 2011 after orlando would award a code-s spot, obviously what they meant was that the last tournament would award a spot for the blizzard cup. Makes perfect sense! (Yes, this is sarcasm). Again, this is the kind of leap of faith you have to make in order for GOMs story make sense. Yeah sure, they said one thing, and everyone believed naniwa to have a birth for Code S, including him, his team, mlg and the community, but what they really meant was something different than what they wrote. Are we to believe that GOM is really that incompetent, and that they forgot to inform anyone of what the real story was, until a day after the naniwa vs nestea match? | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On December 15 2011 08:45 NipponBanzai wrote: ESV TV lost their code A seed when the format changed. So I'm guessing that MLG lost their seeds too? hell if i know. thats why i say wait for a response from mlg. | ||
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Sandermatt
Switzerland1365 Posts
On December 15 2011 08:19 Paladia wrote: Gom, why are you making this up? 1. Why were the two seeds called "INTERNATIONAL SEED" and the other one "MLG PROVIDENCE CODE S SEED" on your official website (which you in stealth changed today)? 2. Why did your own twitter comment say that you revoked his Code S seed (which you also, deleted today)? 3. Why was it announced on your official partners website that Naniwa has .. earned a seat in Code S? 4. And why does it say on your official website when you announced the partner program still (not had time to change that one yet, had you?) say that: At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows: Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, regardless of country of origin, who doesn't already have Code S status. What you are doing right now is much much worse than what Naniwa could ever do or any player has ever done in the history of Starcraft 2. You are falsely removing the prize of a tournament several months after the tournament has happened and trying to delete all evidence of it. This is worse than those tournaments who don't pay the prize money, as at least they acknowledge the fact that there is a prize. I really expected that your so called "honor" would be more than this. Removing one of the major prizes of a tournament, lying, deleting threads, in secret altering your own statements, I think all GomTV has built up was just thrown down the drain and I honestly wish that no player would ever have anything more to do with you. I don't see how you dare talk about "honor" or professionalism. Are there screenshots of the previous versions mentioned in points 1 and 2, especially point 1? | ||
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Shalaiyn
Netherlands2735 Posts
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JiPrime
Canada688 Posts
On December 15 2011 08:46 LorDo wrote: Are you trolling? Blizzard Cup =/= Code S. He did not get it for all intents and purposes. You're wrong. Blizzard Cup = Code S It's just a different Title for GSL Dec. with different formats. | ||
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Vorenius
Denmark1979 Posts
On December 15 2011 08:46 Kieofire wrote: But GOM says the 2011 season. The next Code S is in 2012, so yeah. They are saying a Code S spot will be the reward of every MLG in 2011. Providence was in 2011 so according to that post, a Code S spot should be rewarded to Naniwa. | ||
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FieryBalrog
United States1381 Posts
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tribulator
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zeru
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getSome[703]
United States753 Posts
On December 15 2011 08:41 TedJustice wrote: Really, people don't seem to get what GOM is saying. The Blizzard Cup spot Naniwa got IS the Code S spot he won. They are one in the same. He DID get a Code S spot from providence, and it was the Blizzard cup. It's basically Code S. It's a tournament of the best of the best, hosted by GOMTV in korea, heavily intertwined with Code S (the top 3 code S points got seeded into it). It's just not technically called Code S. But it's all a part of the same GSL league. The winner of the Blizzard Cup still gets GSL points I believe. For all intents and purposes, Naniwa did get his code S spot. It's just not technically called Code S. It's not technically called Code S. It's not technically Code S. It's not Code S. Fixed, you're welcome. Pretty sure everyone (except you) agrees with this | ||
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Draksunen
Finland11 Posts
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Witten
United States2094 Posts
For some reason I feel like that should have never been an issue anyways... Not sad Naniwa is gone. He's always been BM and shows no effort to change his ways. Good riddance. | ||
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grobo
Japan6199 Posts
On December 15 2011 08:45 Ghanburighan wrote: Yeah, this looks correct. MLG lists Dallas, Columbus, Anaheim, Raleigh and Orlando as the circuit and Providence as the national championship. Good detective work on that wording, sir! Then why would MLG themselves announce that Naniwa has recieved a Code S spot? | ||
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JiPrime
Canada688 Posts
On December 15 2011 08:48 zeru wrote: No, its not the same at all. It's a separate event with no relation to GSL. Who is the damn host for the tournament? GOMTV If anything it's GSL Dec. User was warned for this post | ||
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SayTT
Sweden2158 Posts
Therefor a statement like this damages the legitimacy of GOM, I for once feel robbed. This is not professional at all, this is editing of information to fit thier agenda. Above all it's so damn unjust, I feel sad. | ||
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iCemiLo
Singapore94 Posts
c'mon, it would have been even worse if a korean was the one involved. | ||
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zeru
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