EPTThere might be some details in their exchange contract that means this officially is how its done - but for all practical purposes NaNiwa won that spot fair and square.
personally i'd like to see a statement from MLG on the exchange details
GOMTV Announcement regarding NaNiWa - Page 39
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CrugerDK
Denmark323 Posts
There might be some details in their exchange contract that means this officially is how its done - but for all practical purposes NaNiwa won that spot fair and square. personally i'd like to see a statement from MLG on the exchange details | ||
Seeker
Where dat snitch at?36919 Posts
On December 15 2011 08:30 Cheno wrote: Naniwa got his punishment, as deserved. GOMTV is over it. Everyone should be over it. If only TL could work like that..... :/ | ||
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magnaflow
Canada1521 Posts
I could really see Naniwa saying "fuck you" to everyone and dissapear forever after coming back to win lol | ||
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SC2NeCro
Canada507 Posts
And there we go, proof of it all, laid out in front of everyone who is willing to accept it. GOM has done something pretty disgraceful today. And I hope they at least revoke their revoking of his code S seed. It's the least they can do for acting like this. | ||
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dp
United States234 Posts
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Al Bundy
7257 Posts
On December 15 2011 08:26 MooMooMugi wrote: People were definitely overreacting in the other thread making it sound like Naniwa was banned from the GSL for life and they werent going to watch GSL anymore(cmon its the GSL :p) First, people said that GOMTV overreacted to Naniwa's behavior. "it's no big deal", "stop overracting" are actual posts that you can read in previous threads. Now the community is overreacting to GOMTV's overreaction to take back the code S spot... Completely ridiculous if you ask me. We're all making fools of ourselves here. | ||
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farnham
1378 Posts
On December 15 2011 08:35 ElephantBaby wrote: Gom actually just gave people another excuse for Naniwa. They sould just say it indeed is a punishment, the invite to code S for Naniwa is revoked. yeah the discussion took a 180 turn lol stupid gom | ||
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zeru
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Deleted User 137586
7859 Posts
On December 15 2011 08:35 ElephantBaby wrote: Gom actually just gave people another excuse for Naniwa. They sould just say it indeed is a punishment, the invite to code S for Naniwa is revoked. I was wondering why Quantic used the word "revoked"... I think that's probably what they did and this is more like "spin". | ||
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Bumblebee
3237 Posts
On December 15 2011 08:37 dp wrote: I find it funny so many people say GOMTV is lying. Any of you people care to show a single announcement from GOMTV that nani was being given a code S spot? Anyone at all? Don't worry, I will wait.. Yep, I will. Check this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=295033¤tpage=37#739 | ||
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
Ultimately he dropped the following four games, and despite not being crowned champion, Naniwa has presented one of the most captivating weeks imaginable, both in and out of the game. In the last week, Naniwa has rage quit of of a GSL match, flown half-way around the world, defeated the two most successful Korean Starcraft 2 players back-to-back, sparked a rivalry with Nestea, been the center of controversy in a rematch against Nestea, let a National Championship slip through his fingers and earned a seat in Code S. So if MLG Employees/writers were under the impression that Code S was awarded, and talks all over the venue between complexity's player manager Scott Ford, and coL's players with Naniwa, were all talking to MLG management about the Code S spot, then where is GOM coming from, with their statement number 2. Source: http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/naniwas-ascension/ | ||
pPingu
Switzerland2892 Posts
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TedJustice
Canada1324 Posts
On December 15 2011 08:36 scintilliaSD wrote: People aren't mad at them revoking the seed anymore. People are mad that GomTV is lying not only to the community, but to their partner MLG. Like I said, I don't think it's lying. Just miscommunication. When designing the blizzard cup, they probably said "and we'll use the seed from Providence for this" but they never really made that clear to anyone else. | ||
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magnaflow
Canada1521 Posts
On December 15 2011 08:36 CrugerDK wrote: Seems like GOM screwed MLG over. Lets face it the code S spot is one of the main attractions of the tournament and it seems like MLG though (and advertised) it to be in effect still. There might be some details in their exchange contract that means this officially is how its done - but for all practical purposes NaNiwa won that spot fair and square. personally i'd like to see a statement from MLG on the exchange details MLG isn't gonna say shit about anyhitng. Without SC2 and the Korean participants the event would be no where near the size it is today. | ||
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farnham
1378 Posts
On December 15 2011 08:36 CrugerDK wrote: Seems like GOM screwed MLG over. Lets face it the code S spot is one of the main attractions of the tournament and it seems like MLG though (and advertised) it to be in effect still. There might be some details in their exchange contract that means this officially is how its done - but for all practical purposes NaNiwa won that spot fair and square. personally i'd like to see a statement from MLG on the exchange details Nullo actore, nullus iudex On December 15 2011 08:39 magnaflow wrote: MLG isn't gonna say shit about anyhitng. Without SC2 and the Korean participants the event would be no where near the size it is today. indeed | ||
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Executor1
1353 Posts
On December 15 2011 08:34 ffdestiny wrote: An Analysis of GOM's Statement This is a general statement, “X does this and it influences y in a positive way” because the fans are entertained. There are many sports where the players fight hand-to-hand, for example, where blood is drawn, where expletives are spoken… where the fans are at each others’ throats—hecklers and riots too. Are we not entertained? Are these things not politically correct? Why must you lump Starcraft in with every other sport to explain your argument? Because it makes you look superior, like you are the big sport’s man on campus... incredibly egotistical. Thank you for the definition on what a professional athlete is, but it is patronizing. Why do you place important on money in the argument of your statement? We can agree that there are many reasons why, let us just call them Starcraft pros, play the game. NaNiWa, for example, has stated continually that he plays for what you would call the “competitive spirit.” Therefore, by your rule of measurement, he has (within him) a fierce drive to be the best and that makes him a true player. Is it not wrong to assume that he has a fierce, competitive spirit? It is entirely ridiculous to dance around that fact and cop out on “professional conduct.” We are talking about Starcraft, where Koreans for as far as I can remember, would throw games (Savior plus ten other players, anyone?), mock their opponents (Firebathero?), or lose games because they were frustrated in MSL/OSL. Yet, it is all Naniwa’s fault for probe rushing? Hello, do you remember Boxer? He invented rushing. Once again, this statement patronizes and ostracizes the very large audience that feeds Starcraft 2. It is obvious that this statement believes, or is under the assumption that there are different types of people, and that itself is strikingly perturbing. If you read the Team Liquid thread, for example, benchmarking would indicate the sides are split on the matter… extremely overstated and generalized. The statement begins by saying NaNiWa did not break any rules, so thank you for agreeing. I would also pay attention to Nestea’s horrible final match at Blizzcon where he threw away his enormous advantage in the game. We were upset at his lack of care in that game, but we did not publicly out him. In addition, it is obviously not NaNiWa’s fault for this tournament having rules that force uninteresting games like this, now is it? This punishment is severely twisted. First, the statement claims NaNiWa did not break any rules. Second, there is no support to punish NaNi, absolutely none, other than some fans being upset. By using this evidence, can you also revoke most of the Korean’s Code-S spots, too, because I am awfully tired of watching Terran versus Terran, and I am offended. The first part of your argument makes no sense, and you are taking it out of context, when 2 athletes are fighting in hand to hand combat you can bet your buttons if one just flopped to the ground and let himself get submitted there would be punishment that ensued , unless it was because of some sort of health issue. Thinking of the UFC in general, i have no doubt that dana white would be extremely offended if a player went into the ring and pretty much purposely lost. Say to make it more like the circumstances of naniwa it was an exhibition match where nothing was on the line, same thing. Because naniwa was getting paid to play in the blizzard cup (900 for last place) just like a exhibition match in UFC the loser would still get payed some money. for the second part, you dont think that different countries would have different opinions based on the history behind their different sports. Esports has been going on for over 10 years in korea and they have seen multitudes of different problems arise and have learned from them , whereas in the west its esports is still being established of course their are going to be varying opinions between a part of the world that is just developing esports and a part of the world where its established. And to say that its offensive to state that their are different types of peoples( they were really saying that korean fans opinions might vary from the west) well in the west its pretty much divided on the issue , so what they are saying is pretty much just a true statement. | ||
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Kazeyonoma
United States2912 Posts
Obviously I'm talking about how 2012 would work, no where in that model that was released in October, is there indication of an MLG seed, something I noted in October RIGHT away, that the 2 seeds into code S directly, might not be an MLG based thing anymore, but waited to see what Gom would say about it. You stated that there was "INTERNATIONAL SEED" and "MLG PROVIDENCE SEED" that got stealth removed, but I'm saying Providence seed /mlg seed was never indicated in the new format... You're linking to another official statement gom made regarding the LXG, but even that doesn't say anything about providence. GG | ||
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ViTaLiTy17
Canada16 Posts
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JiPrime
Canada688 Posts
On December 15 2011 08:38 Bumblebee wrote: Yep, I will. Check this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=295033¤tpage=37#739 But that's MLG's, not GOMTV's. It could be that MLG misunderstood what GOMTV said. I say we wait for MLG's statement. | ||
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Crisco
1170 Posts
On December 15 2011 08:34 ffdestiny wrote: This punishment is severely twisted. First, the statement claims NaNiWa did not break any rules. Second, there is no support to punish NaNi, absolutely none, other than some fans being upset. By using this evidence, can you also revoke most of the Korean’s Code-S spots, too, because I am awfully tired of watching Terran versus Terran, and I am offended. You can not break rules and still get kicked out. There are plenty of things outside the scope of "rules" but can warrant voiding a contract... not that this was a contract in anyway. The entire logic of "breaking rules" requires that there be enough specifically written rules (as opposed to implied rules) that it can be broken. What Naniwa did was wrong on so many levels, it made a complete mockery of the entire tournament. It wasn't the fact that he "threw" the match, but he did it in such a blatantly obvious and probably about as notoriously as you can do it. He deserves to be punished simply and purely for the lack of respect he shows | ||
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