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GOMTV Announcement regarding NaNiWa - Page 37
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illsick
United States1770 Posts
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Truthful
United States38 Posts
On December 15 2011 07:53 MichaelDonovan wrote: So many people would love to be in his position? Are you saying he is lucky to be where he is? Do you know how hard he has worked to get to where he is now? And you say he deserves nothing? i didn't say this but yes that's exactly what i would say. he is lucky to be where he is. he's doing what he loves and is passionate about for a living. there are thousands of people who wished they were in his position doing what he is doing. no one is saying he doesn't work hard. but so do a lot of professional players. do you know how many people compete just to qualify for a single code A spot? you don't think playing in a tournament with so much prestige (essentially crowning the king of the sc2 scene for the entire year) was something every single sc2 progamer would want? look at MKP of guineapig's tweets. they would've killed to be in such a privileged position to play in such a high quality tournament. you think either of them would pull all their workers after going 0-3. take their hands off their keyboard, and essentially walk out the booth? yeah, i don't think so. | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On December 15 2011 08:24 ExO_ wrote: It seems to me that it went down like this 1) Naniwa was given (or was planned to be given) his code S seed for his placement in MLG 2) He was invited to blizz cup because he was a prominent foreigner with good results 3) After what happened in blizz cup, GOM decided to say that his reward for MLG placement was blizz cup, when in reality he was invited to that not b/c of MLG. However since GOM gave that to him, they use it like a scapegoat. It's almost like a bait and switch. Promise (or at least indicate) that you'll get one prize, then give another and say "you expect to get both?" All being said though, the only problem I have with GOM in all of this, is how did they choose who got the Code S spots? Where was it indicated that they would choose the code S spots in this manner? There needs to be accountability for their choosing of code S spots to foreigners, as this is showing them to be inconsistent. he got the seat at blizzcup because of his second place finish at MLG providence (not because of his prominence as you say), so your argument doesnt make sense. | ||
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paddyz
Ireland628 Posts
Is this just a knee jerk reaction from GOM to take attention away from a bad tournament format which Nani highlighted? Was really looking forward to see how Nani would do in code S. Now I am not going to get another ticket for GOM, they obviously don't deserve the money if they are going to be so immature. | ||
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diophan
United States1018 Posts
On December 15 2011 08:25 Nexic wrote: But that doesn't make sense logically, with how the exchange program is explained in the announcement thread that Waxangel posted. It explicitly states for every MLG event in 2011 after Columbus, one code S spot would be awarded. MLG Providence occurred in 2011, and thus a Code S spot for Providence should have been awarded. It sounds more like GOM thinks that since they came up with a new format for 2012, that it voids the current arrangement/doesn't carry over into the next GSL. But I think many people here are agreeing that the code S spot for providence still should still be awarded to satisfy the original ruleset of "all MLGs in 2011, post-Columbus". It says CIRCUIT event in what he posted. I don't know what MLG's buzzwords mean, but perhaps the finals aren't considered a circuit tournament, cause the circuit is leading up to the finals? That's at least a possibility... things get translated back and forth multiple times so it's at least possible there's some legitimate confusion and not some grand scheme to dupe everyone. | ||
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kidd
United States2848 Posts
On December 15 2011 07:54 zeru wrote: blizzcup was for major tournament winners. providence prize was code S spot. Get your mind right. GSL/MLG partnership IS for 2011. Final tournament of 2011, for GOM, is blizzcup instead of normal GSL then altering the deal between GOM and MLG at that point. If you want to complain about that change, complain about the blizzard cup tournament. GSL 2012 has a new format and they don't have to defend NOT announcing the changes for it before a stupid, unexpected incident happens. What GOM did is more than fine with me, I expected worse and feel they shouldn't even need to defend themselves. It's just unprofessional and people get fired for lack of professionalism. I understand where Naniwa is coming from not trying in an inconsequential game, but he knew what he was getting into and knew he'd have to play out regardless of results and GOM is just showing that's unacceptable to them. | ||
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HandleTaken
Sweden81 Posts
On December 15 2011 08:13 SCST wrote: The idea that people somehow think MLG is going to "rush to the defense of Naniwa" is hilarious. Naniwa called MLG a "joke tournament" and was even more disrespectful towards them than GOM. If anything Sundance is probably relishing this. Can't blame him at all. Actually I think MLG will try hard to sort this mess out. Not because they care about Naniwa. But because they want the players to be able to trust MLG in the future. (Before anyone puts words into my mouth I'm not saying MLG has done anything wrong) | ||
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the bruvler
16 Posts
On December 15 2011 08:24 Romulox wrote: GOMTV is going to take a hit from this. Also there being so many reports on Nani getting code S after MLG and no one at GOM ever said anything until now? Dont think the community is going to buy that either. Certainly. Remember the only way for us to really speak is with our wallets. It's important that we send a strong message to GOM that this kind of slimy rule-bending won't be tolerated by the community. | ||
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dubRa
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ScareCrow`
Canada88 Posts
Is the only line that matters. Leenock had code S. Naniwa got second. He earned it. | ||
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Clbull
United Kingdom1439 Posts
On December 15 2011 08:23 m0ck wrote: It really is pretty ugly. Further proof: ThisIsGame aren't really associated with GOMTV, and it depends on where the interview(s) were conducted. For all we know, it may not have been conducted under GOMTV supervision, let alone even in their studio. | ||
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Cheno
Denmark70 Posts
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farnham
1378 Posts
On December 15 2011 08:29 ScareCrow` wrote: "Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, within the Top 3, regardless of country of origin, who does not already have Code S status." Is the only line that matters. Leenock had code S. Naniwa got second. He earned it. at the same time through naniwas actions gom was entitled to terminate the current contractual relationship between them and naniwa which is essentially what they did. they could also refuse doing business with him but they choose not to do so which i find very generous from gom On December 15 2011 08:28 the bruvler wrote: Certainly. Remember the only way for us to really speak is with our wallets. It's important that we send a strong message to GOM that this kind of slimy rule-bending won't be tolerated by the community. where is the rule bending ? | ||
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Deleted User 137586
7859 Posts
On December 15 2011 08:28 the bruvler wrote: Certainly. Remember the only way for us to really speak is with our wallets. It's important that we send a strong message to GOM that this kind of slimy rule-bending won't be tolerated by the community. There is clearly something strange here, it might be a misunderstanding (made worse by differently worded announcements on different pages), saving face, hidden punishment, etc; but it doesn't change the substance. Naniwa in his apology also said he'd withdraw from competing in the GSL voluntarily, so even if GOM respected the contract to the letter, Naniwa would not play. "[Naniwa] has decided against participating in the coming GSL season as a statement of his sincere regret and in the hopes that he may have a future opportunity to compete in GSL against the world’s best." I think we need another clarification, though. | ||
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Gladiator6
Sweden7024 Posts
On December 15 2011 08:28 the bruvler wrote: Certainly. Remember the only way for us to really speak is with our wallets. It's important that we send a strong message to GOM that this kind of slimy rule-bending won't be tolerated by the community. You can email them also and express how you feel, that's how I did earlier this day. | ||
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chadissilent
Canada1187 Posts
On December 15 2011 08:28 HandleTaken wrote: Actually I think MLG will try hard to sort this mess out. Not because they care about Naniwa. But because they want the players to be able to trust MLG in the future. (Before anyone puts words into my mouth I'm not saying MLG has done anything wrong) That's exactly it -- MLG doesn't give a fuck about NaNiwa. What they DO give a fuck about is their image. When they promise something, they always deliver. They've become known for this and I believe it would be a huge hit to their image if they let this go. | ||
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halomac
Poland36 Posts
You have my full support and next year subscription. | ||
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Clbull
United Kingdom1439 Posts
On December 15 2011 08:27 kidd wrote: Get your mind right. GSL/MLG partnership IS for 2011. Final tournament of 2011, for GOM, is blizzcup instead of normal GSL then altering the deal between GOM and MLG at that point. If you want to complain about that change, complain about the blizzard cup tournament. GSL 2012 has a new format and they don't have to defend NOT announcing the changes for it before a stupid, unexpected incident happens. What GOM did is more than fine with me, I expected worse and feel they shouldn't even need to defend themselves. It's just unprofessional and people get fired for lack of professionalism. I understand where Naniwa is coming from not trying in an inconsequential game, but he knew what he was getting into and knew he'd have to play out regardless of results and GOM is just showing that's unacceptable to them. Really? Well the highest placing finisher who didn't already have a Code S seed was promised one within the 2011 season. - NaNiwa qualified for one within the 2011 season (Providence was in 2011), hence, he had it swiped from him under a fabricated excuse as a reaction to his thrown game against NesTea. - Offering him a seed in the Blizzard Cup wasn't mentioned at all in the League Exchange Programme terms. Arguing it's the last tournament of the year and hence where he should go is dumb because the Blizzard Cup was a mere invitational tournament and not an actual league season event. It also doesn't have Code A and Code S spots either. | ||
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Bumblebee
3237 Posts
At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows:
Source (read line 7, 8): http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/mlg-and-the-gsl-create-groundbreaking-player-exchange-program I don't really have anything to say than this particular punishment of NaNiwa, and reasoning for it, is a joke. | ||
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TedJustice
Canada1324 Posts
Earning a Code S seed is not a "prize" or a "right". It's a privilege. Whether they're lying about the providence seed or not, it's entirely within their right to remove him from the tournament despite his seed. It's not revoking a prize. The prize was him having the privilege of a code S seed, and he blew it. The privilege has been revoked. And of course, that's all assuming they're lying that his code S seed was meant for the Blizzard cup, which I doubt. They just never properly communicated that the Blizzard cup would count as "code S" for the purpose of providence's MLG seeds. But I don't doubt that was their intention all along. | ||
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