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On December 15 2011 08:18 iamthedave wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 08:14 pPingu wrote:On December 15 2011 08:12 iamthedave wrote:On December 15 2011 08:09 Starcraftmazter wrote:On December 15 2011 08:07 JoeSchmoe wrote:
i think you need to get your brain checked. This is exactly what I am talking about. Most people who are supporting GOM in this are little kids who resort to insults, and never stage any counter-arguments. How can you be expected to be taken seriously ? How do you explain the SlayersCoca incident, where a Korean - contrary to your claims - was banned from Code S AND brutally punished by his team for throwing a game? Money was involved, it was a tournament, and we have no idea what gom would have done, slayers did it So... in other words... HE WAS PUNISHED.
By his team, not GOM
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Naniwa losing his code S spot is not really a big deal to me. It's not like it was the only way for him to play at this level. He is a great player and I'm sure he'll be able to qualify soon.
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ahh.... fuck it... i miss nani
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On December 15 2011 08:18 mechavoc wrote:
This makes me a bit more confused, I really thought the MLG 2nd place was a 100% lock for a code s spot.
It is: proof
WAIT! MLG and GOM have different announcements: GoM
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On December 15 2011 08:17 mango_destroyer wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 08:16 AlexP wrote:On December 15 2011 08:12 iamthedave wrote:On December 15 2011 08:09 Starcraftmazter wrote:On December 15 2011 08:07 JoeSchmoe wrote:
i think you need to get your brain checked. This is exactly what I am talking about. Most people who are supporting GOM in this are little kids who resort to insults, and never stage any counter-arguments. How can you be expected to be taken seriously ? How do you explain the SlayersCoca incident, where a Korean - contrary to your claims - was banned from Code S AND brutally punished by his team for throwing a game? he never was banned from Code S/gom, but instead forfeited it by himself. Well Choya was banned from GSL for a season for doing rocks paper scissors on ladder.
On December 15 2011 08:18 JoeSchmoe wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 08:16 AlexP wrote:On December 15 2011 08:12 iamthedave wrote:On December 15 2011 08:09 Starcraftmazter wrote:On December 15 2011 08:07 JoeSchmoe wrote:
i think you need to get your brain checked. This is exactly what I am talking about. Most people who are supporting GOM in this are little kids who resort to insults, and never stage any counter-arguments. How can you be expected to be taken seriously ? How do you explain the SlayersCoca incident, where a Korean - contrary to your claims - was banned from Code S AND brutally punished by his team for throwing a game? he never was banned by Code S/gom, but instead forfeited it by himself. because his team banned him before GSL did. GSL would've banned him regardless. rain got banned 2 seasons for simply not showing up to the group drawings.
choya manipulated games. naniwa didn't. the game was pointless. rain ignored an actually RULE. naniwa never broked any specific rule. gom handles it to take naniwa away.
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On December 15 2011 08:18 LimitedSc2 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 06:41 Hydrox911 wrote:
Im sorry, but I do like the stance gomtv has taken to this and am very disappointed. The thing you have to understand is that you have taken away Naniwa's code s spot. He was going to be in code s --> incidenent happens ----> No seed. For me at least, its gomtv who looks the worst out this occasion. You have to clearer what the rules are and , as has been discussed in other threads, not have these vague rules which gomtv seems to have used against naniwa. Be clear with your rules. Very disappointed and In my opinion, there is a large part of blame for having pointless games in the first place. You seem to purely have reacted according to Korean netizen reactions and not having clear rules, just making them up as you feel fitting.
Sorry Gom, but this is my opinion and don't feel like supporting gomtv right now. Thanks
I don't understand why anyone would be against this. It is almost like an employer granting an applicant a job offer, but then the employer later found out that this applicant is not fit for the job or is simply not "professional," and then consequentially refused to honor that job offer to the applicant. In the professional business world, this is completely acceptable and practical, or at least in American standards. People need to realize that shit like this should not be taken for granted. It is not Naniwa's prerogative to compete in Code S. Instead it was simply a privilege for him contingent upon doing well in MLG Providence. No more, no less. Simple as that, but people always tend to exaggerate the situation. I think GOMTV did the right decision, and hopefully naniwa won't be so blunt in the future.
What? What's wrong with that, If the applicant is not suitable for the job then I shouldn't have to give him a job. That's a rather bad analogy.
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Well it's safe to say that SOMEONE broke rules, even if that someone isn't Naniwa. Great job Chae & GOMTV!
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honestly I was pissed that he lost his code S spot but now that I understand how he got it I feel less angry.
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On December 15 2011 08:14 Tabula`Rasa wrote:
GOM is an Asian organization. Naniwa's behavior is considered extremely disrespectful in Asian culture, particularly because NesTea ranks above Naniwa in terms of seniority. That is all. Sure, Naniwa would not have been kicked if this happened in a Western tournament, like NASL. GOM is not imposing their principles on other organisations. So why should the community impose their principles on GOM? No officially promulgated rules were broken, but respect - particularly for your elders is an unspoken one. Don't understand all this cultural imperialism. Just because something doesn't fit in your narrow Western mentality box does not make it a bad or wrong decision.
good job trying to support cultural traditions by insulting others: "narrow Western mentality."
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On December 15 2011 08:18 ssi.bal-listic wrote:
I think people have to realize that the contract between GSL and MLG was for 2011 (afaik). I dont think there was anything about giving highest seed in MLG a code S spot in 2012.
It stood for all 2011 MLGs. It does not say anything about WHEN people who earn code S status will play in GSL. It says that all 2011 MLGs after Columbus award code S status.
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On December 15 2011 08:20 Namu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 08:19 Clbull wrote:If the incident led to them revoking his Code S seed then to be frank, it is a direct punishment, no matter how differently GOMTV paints the picture. It seems like a lot of people have been under the impression that NaNiWa has received a Code S seed for taking 2nd place at MLG Providence. The truth however is that NaNiWa has received the right to compete in the Blizzard Cup for his 2nd place achievement at MLG Providence. And arguing that the Blizzard Cup was the seed NaNiwa received from Providence just doesn't match the League Exchange Programme agenda, which clearly and bluntly stated the following: - The first place finisher would receive a spot in the following season's Code S. - The subsequent top three placing non Korean players would receive spots in the following season's Code A. Are people really going to buy GOMTV's bullshit on the issue? Because I am absolutely sure that a spot in the Blizzard Cup does not count as a "Code S seed" under the League Exchange Programme. It was already established beforehand that the 1st and 2nd place finishers at MLG Providence 2011 would receive spots in the Blizzard Cup. Besides, it seems like a pretty dickheaded move to state that the first ever non-Korean to actually become eligible for a Code S seed didn't actually earn that but an invitation to a crappy invitational tournament with nowhere near as much pestige, prize money or even a half-decent format. Bo1 group stages where only 20% of players can actually advance further in the tournament instantly makie for worthless games like the one we've just seen between NaNiwa and NesTea. And it still doesn't justify or even apologise for what Mr Chae rudely and angrily said about NaNiwa being an ameteur prize pool hunter. Based on common sense, I'd still boycott the GSL if I actually watched it. btw naniwa didn't place first place you know
True, but he was the highest placing player (in top 3) at a 2011 MLG event not already possesing a code S spot, thus claiming a code S spot.
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On December 15 2011 08:21 tl4life wrote:
honestly I was pissed that he lost his code S spot but now that I understand how he got it I feel less angry.
Him earning it isn't good enough?
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On December 15 2011 08:20 AlexP wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 08:17 mango_destroyer wrote:On December 15 2011 08:16 AlexP wrote:On December 15 2011 08:12 iamthedave wrote:On December 15 2011 08:09 Starcraftmazter wrote:On December 15 2011 08:07 JoeSchmoe wrote:
i think you need to get your brain checked. This is exactly what I am talking about. Most people who are supporting GOM in this are little kids who resort to insults, and never stage any counter-arguments. How can you be expected to be taken seriously ? How do you explain the SlayersCoca incident, where a Korean - contrary to your claims - was banned from Code S AND brutally punished by his team for throwing a game? he never was banned from Code S/gom, but instead forfeited it by himself. Well Choya was banned from GSL for a season for doing rocks paper scissors on ladder. Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 08:18 JoeSchmoe wrote:On December 15 2011 08:16 AlexP wrote:On December 15 2011 08:12 iamthedave wrote:On December 15 2011 08:09 Starcraftmazter wrote:On December 15 2011 08:07 JoeSchmoe wrote:
i think you need to get your brain checked. This is exactly what I am talking about. Most people who are supporting GOM in this are little kids who resort to insults, and never stage any counter-arguments. How can you be expected to be taken seriously ? How do you explain the SlayersCoca incident, where a Korean - contrary to your claims - was banned from Code S AND brutally punished by his team for throwing a game? he never was banned by Code S/gom, but instead forfeited it by himself. because his team banned him before GSL did. GSL would've banned him regardless. rain got banned 2 seasons for simply not showing up to the group drawings. choya manipulated games. naniwa didn't. the game was pointless. rain ignored an actually RULE. naniwa never broked any specific rule. gom handles it to take naniwa away.
wrong there's no rule that says choya can't decide games with rock-paper-scissors
there's no rule that says rain must show up for the group selections.
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Pretty fucked up to not honor MLG and their agreement especially when he didn't even break any rules.
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I'm eagerly awaiting MLG's response to all this. Something tells me they are just gonna fall on the sword and say they were "misinformed" about the Code S seed. Relationship with GOM > Naniwa. I just find it strange that GOM never corrected MLG about the Code S seed at Providence until it was to make sure to let everyone know that Naniwa did not in fact "earn" one.
Also do players not sign or get any documentation from MLG or GOM at the event for what they receive or should be receiving in the future? Seems like if they don't, it's time to start.
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On December 15 2011 08:17 mango_destroyer wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 08:16 AlexP wrote:On December 15 2011 08:12 iamthedave wrote:On December 15 2011 08:09 Starcraftmazter wrote:On December 15 2011 08:07 JoeSchmoe wrote:
i think you need to get your brain checked. This is exactly what I am talking about. Most people who are supporting GOM in this are little kids who resort to insults, and never stage any counter-arguments. How can you be expected to be taken seriously ? How do you explain the SlayersCoca incident, where a Korean - contrary to your claims - was banned from Code S AND brutally punished by his team for throwing a game? he never was banned from Code S/gom, but instead forfeited it by himself. Well Choya was banned from GSL for a season for doing rocks paper scissors on ladder.
IdrA just did this on his stream vs SlayerSCella yesterday. He got the Code S invite today.
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On December 15 2011 08:20 AlexP wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 08:17 mango_destroyer wrote:On December 15 2011 08:16 AlexP wrote:On December 15 2011 08:12 iamthedave wrote:On December 15 2011 08:09 Starcraftmazter wrote:On December 15 2011 08:07 JoeSchmoe wrote:
i think you need to get your brain checked. This is exactly what I am talking about. Most people who are supporting GOM in this are little kids who resort to insults, and never stage any counter-arguments. How can you be expected to be taken seriously ? How do you explain the SlayersCoca incident, where a Korean - contrary to your claims - was banned from Code S AND brutally punished by his team for throwing a game? he never was banned from Code S/gom, but instead forfeited it by himself. Well Choya was banned from GSL for a season for doing rocks paper scissors on ladder. Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 08:18 JoeSchmoe wrote:On December 15 2011 08:16 AlexP wrote:On December 15 2011 08:12 iamthedave wrote:On December 15 2011 08:09 Starcraftmazter wrote:On December 15 2011 08:07 JoeSchmoe wrote:
i think you need to get your brain checked. This is exactly what I am talking about. Most people who are supporting GOM in this are little kids who resort to insults, and never stage any counter-arguments. How can you be expected to be taken seriously ? How do you explain the SlayersCoca incident, where a Korean - contrary to your claims - was banned from Code S AND brutally punished by his team for throwing a game? he never was banned by Code S/gom, but instead forfeited it by himself. because his team banned him before GSL did. GSL would've banned him regardless. rain got banned 2 seasons for simply not showing up to the group drawings. choya manipulated games. naniwa didn't. the game was pointless. rain ignored an actually RULE. naniwa never broked any specific rule. gom handles it to take naniwa away.
he did break a specific rule god how can you say actual law is not a applicable rule here
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Willynilly decision making without a foundation in a set of rules/code of conduct doesn't really represent a professional organization... I think GomTV should have their SC2 license revoked, as it was given to the professional gaming organization, and not to the youth Mr Chae.
Trololol, but seriously, if you're going to make decisions of this magnitude, at least have a point of reference to something other than subjective, and indeed cultural, opinion...
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EPT
